Cartoon: A thumbs up for Gonzales is a thumbs up for...

[katinmn]

http://www.kirktoons.com/cartoons.html#


Oh-no, that isn't "my" Senator Coleman is it??

Isn't it something how * continues to support Gonzales for attorney general, the architect of prison torture policies, just as more prisoner abuse is reported?

[Xipe Totec]

1. Gonzales is to Hispanics what Powell is to Blacks

A big disappointment, a waste of good talent, and a missed opportunity.
:cry:

[katinmn]

2. I hear you. He does seem to find yes men

and women from every ethnic group.

The prerequisite is: Tell me what I want to hear, do what I tell you to do.

Qualifications or commitment to public service don't come in to play.

[blackangrydem]

4. I think you're fooling yourself if you consider Powell

"a big disappointment".

He is an author, former General, NSA, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and has done a lot of work for various charities.

Poll after poll shows that he would be the instant front-runner in a run for President.

Both parties want him in their camp.

Gonzalez would have to achieve a lot to be compared to Powell, in my book.

[Xipe Totec]

5. Were it not for those achievements

He would not be a disappointment. He was the only one in this administration that had the intellectual capacity to see the consequences of invading Iraq, and the moral gravitas to stop it.

But he didn't.

Run for President? Not with my vote. Not anymore. Not even if he changed parties. He is damaged goods.

In that respect Gonzales is less of a disappointment because, based on the memo he wrote justifying torture, he has already shown himself to be unworthy of anyone's respect.

[Donna Zen]

7. I skirt Powell discussions

as a rule...but, staying aware of the difference between the hype and the glimmer of truth is a mission of mine.

So what is a person who is pro-affirmative action and pro-choice doing in the republican party?

Why didn't the man with his name on the title page of the "Powell Doctrine" speak up about troop strength?

What was Powell doing in 1992 working on the first draft of PNAC?

How did Iran-Contra go on during Powell's watch, and he missed it?

And where in the hell has Powell been during the past 4 years?

....America would vote for Powell, I don't doubt it. But then America was sold an unnecessary war by a group of snake-oil hucksters (including Powell) and they bought it. They are told that demanding you let the government into your bedrooms is the moral thing to do and they nod their collective heads. There are many more examples of the damping down of American critical thinking, which makes me agree about your stance on Powell, but shake my head in wonder.

[dflprincess]

3. When the Star Tribune printed this

I certainly thought it was Normie.

[cacambo]

6. Blocking Gonzales is big mistake

Well, as a Hispanic I can tell you that if the Democrats block Gonzales's nomination, it will be a huge blow to our party. Hispanics have been one of the more loyal groups to us. To many Hispanics having a Hispanic in such a high position can/will trump ideology. As it is, Bush got 40% of the Hispanic vote, a record for any Republican candidate. If the Democratic party continuous to alianate one of its more faithful constituents, it will continue to lose in the future. Gonzales has made mistakes, but I don't think it's enough to block him. I can assure you, when Bush nomiated him for attorney general, Univision and Telemundo made a big deal about it. We cannot be viewed by those same viewers as being anti-Hispanic. The Democratic party needs to strenghten its image among the Hispanic community, and blocking Gonzales will not help that cause.

[SharonAnn]

8. Oh, fiddlesticks! Hispanics hate right-wing dictators and that's what

Gonzales supports.

His family was close to the military and "aristocracy" in Honduras and left there when the country went to a democratically elected government. Why? Because they were afraid of retribution.

Publish the facts on this guy and his family and most Hispanics in America (except the Cuban Batista supporters in Florida) would fight the hardest against him.

It's what he stands for that's important! Imprisonment without trial! Torture! Secret courts! Latin America has a long records of this kind of thing and Hispanics know it.

[sundancekid]

9. bringing TRUTH to POWER is NEVER a mistake ... this must have

been as good a day as any for someone from TX to pose/post at DU for the first time -- so, giving you a full-of-grace benefit of my doubt, let me first say "welcome" if you stick around;

THEN, ... being steeped in the hispanic community in TX, I can firmly give you this opinion: even if you can't actually "see" a turd, you can surely "smell" one, and Gonzo's reputation among TX democrats is already in the sewer; we don't need NO STINKIN' anybodys in our government -- be they white, pink, brown, black or green -- you get me???

[femme.democratique]

10. You honestly support torture? Sure sounds like it.

Why should we abandon our beliefs against torture to promote a Hispanic thug? You're Hispanic- YOU should be working in your community to make people understand that race or ethnicity can't be an issue when the person is so blatantly immoral. If Hispanics are dumb enough as a demographic to fall for the fake inclusiveness of the Bush administration and the Republican party then they get what they deserve. We SHOULD NOT abandon basic human rights just to make Hispanics happy.

Feliz Navidad...

[cacambo]

11. I agree, but...

Well, I certainly agree with you. I was just saying what I believe will happen. I truly believe that Hispanics will feel betrayed if the party that supposedly is more friendly to minorities rejects one of their own. Yes, a person's record should always be more important than ethnicity, but when there has never been a Hispanic attorney general in U.S history, many Hispanics will be willing to bypass certain mistakes. I can already see the headlines on Univision and Telemundo: "Democrats block Gonzales". Before we can explain as to why, the Republicans will have pounced on us and labeled us as "anti-Hispanic". That's why I worry. Republicans are very clever in framing every issue to their advantage. This may just be another one. I understand the reasons why y'all don't want him confirmed, but explaining the reasons is not that easy, especially when we could be competing against simplied headlines such as "The democrats block Gonzales". However, this may not even happen, since it seems that Gonzales will be confirmed. So as Shakespeare said, "it's much ado about nothing."

[femme.democratique]

12. Your point being?

??? "supposedly more friendly to minorities" - um, we ARE more friendly to minorities, at least the ones intelligent enough to see what is in their best interests - sounds like you don't even believe your own ill-conceived rhetoric. yawn. "many Hispanics will be willing to bypass certain mistakes"...do you even know what you're talking about? you certainly don't represent the Hispanic population in a flattering light, or are you really just saying that your people are just plain dumb?

[cacambo]

14. We will seem...

My whole point is that if Democrats block his nomination we are going to seem as anti-Hispanic. That's all. I certainly realize that that's one of the major reasons why Bush chose Gonzales. Bush wants to make the Democrats look bad. I know that. Hispanics are intelligent, I never said they weren't. I did say it's very difficult to try to explain our party's votes when we're competing against simplified headlines. I just believe this will hurt the Democrats. That's why I'm concerned. If you want to read into my posts more than what's actually there then fine.

[truthisfreedom]

13. yes, that's coleman alright.