The Way Things Really Are -- MUST READING esp. for new DUers

[Eloriel]

Some new DUers are kinda new to political involvement, and many here (new or not) are "new" to seeing things as they REALLY are. Here are two superb articles that IMO do a very nice job of summing up where we are and how we got here.

This first is a nice tho starkly different U.S. history lesson -- the hidden history, we'll call it -- including the Bush Crime Family. It even has things in it I either didn't know or had forgotten. It touches on a LOT of information, some of it deserving much more in-depth study but this is terrific for an "introductory" piece:

Neo-fascism in America
http://www.surfaceonline.org/essayamerica6.htm


And this article does a superb job of explaining our "matrix" reality.
Escaping the Matrix
http://www.cyberjournal.org/cj/rkm/WE/jun00Matrix.shtml

This article offers a particular perspective on what's going on in the world--and how things got to be that way--in this era of globalization. From that red-pill perspective, everyday media-consensus reality--like the Matrix in the film--is seen to be a fabricated collective illusion. Like Neo, I didn't know what I was looking for when my investigation began, but I knew that what I was being told didn't make sense. I read scores of histories and biographies, observing connections between them, and began to develop my own theories about roots of various historical events. I found myself largely in agreement with writers like Noam Chomsky and Michael Parenti, but I also perceived important patterns that others seem to have missed.

-- more --

Do read these extremely important and cogent essays. One of the things I've been thinking about lately is that we are going to have to rise above and beyond where we are in order to fight them if we want to win. But FIRST we have to understand the behemoth that we're grappling with. This second article especially, I think, helps define and describe the beast. If we DON'T rise above it, we'll be constrained to fighting at levels which just keep US busy and occupied while they go about doing what they've been doing for decades now, with impunity. We've GOT to get way smarter. We've GOT to understand what and who we're really fighting.

Oh, and thanks to Indigobusiness for posting the Neo-Fascism article in the Editorials forum, where I found it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x93506

[Vitruvius]

1. Nice finds.

And :kick:

By-the-way, your "Reality 101" articles would be great for the "Demopedia"! You could just post them under "R"; people will find them... And they would be a nice kick-start to the Demopedia project.

And -- if you still have the link to them -- you might want to post them on this thread as well.

Thanks!

Vitruvius

P.S: All three of the above articles would be nice additions to the "Reality 101 reading list".

[Eloriel]

6. Why thank you, Vitruvius

I'll go ahead and just post them here for now. I'd actually thought of doing it earlier but didn't want to overburden anybody. As for Demopedia, yeah, they really need to be dug through a bit (well, quite a bit) and mined for information -- but in the meantime, here they are. Oh, and it's Reality 501 (grad level, you see):

Reality 501: A DU Course Syllabus
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=6920&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


REALITY 501: Course Syllabus Special Addendum - The 60s
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=14030&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


Reality 501: Syllabus UPDATE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=8535&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


The US, the Saudis, and oil (a piece of Eloriel's Big Picture)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=8558&forum=DCForumID70&archive=yes


Here are some links I've saved under the category of "Additions" to the Reality 501 series BUT these are a mere drop in the bucket of information on these particular subjects. Nevertheless, worth throwing in just for kicks:

PNAC, STRAUSS, NEOCONS
A Tough Time for 'Neocons' | L.A. Times, June 10, 2004
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=6280

PNAC Links Archive (Redux)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=80

Deep Background (MUST READ!!!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1095506#1095513

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Here's something I didn't know -- Nazis weren't recruited only for the U.S., but for England and Italy. These links were posted downthread in here:

TERROR! | there WON'T be an attack, but it is a SET-UP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1668465

Operation Gladio
http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html

Operation Gladio
from the book
The CIAs Greatest Hits
by Mark Zepezauer
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Gladio_CIAHits.html

Operation Paperclip Casefile
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/project_paperclip.htm

=======================================

LIEberman is on the Board of the Nixon Library Foundation
(Also Pete Peterson and many links to others)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=10866&forum=DCForumID60&archive=

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Article on Conspiracies ("getting too close to the truth") and the Bushes in particular:
Paranoid Shift
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html
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Good CIA, bad CIA and the root cause of the "intelligence failure"
(Richard McGarrah Helms, BIS, Nazis, CIA's mind control programs, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1695779

[NMDemDist2]

2. geez El, that made cheery holiday reading

excellent resources though

Sure puts a different face on "Peace on Earth, Goodwill toward Men" doesn't it?

[NoFederales]

3. Thanks for the links

I feel I am without political representation. I can no longer tolerate a Republican agenda which destroys, which has alienated fiscal responsibility, and has (shamefully, forever) disregarded the rights of the country's citizens. The Joyous Consummation of Politics and Corporatism has pushed me out, oh yeah, & I am truly incensed over the fundamentalist religious faction that has found imprimatur in the neocon takeover (Is that a 'trifecta'?).

Republican no more!, but where to go? The DLC'ers have long imitated Republicans which is one reason to despise them. The PNAC/AEI/NAI and "new NATO" thugs seem a political-moshpit unworthy of any civil stature. So, who is left? Greens? Progressives? What is the future of the Democratic Party? How do citizens regain control of the entrenched political American aristocracy?

I've been rummaging around the DU sites for less than a week and I see many likeminded writers, but I do not sense a cohesive response to the Republican machine.

Here's to a true Oppositional Party to the Republicans, may it soon unite and thrive.

NoFederales

[Eloriel]

7. Welcome to DU

So glad you find some likeminded people here. In case you haven't noticed quite yet, there are a LOT of us here who lack political representation. Sadly, some of us haven't realized it yet. :-(

As for where to go from here, this may not be the right thread for it, but if you didn't look very hard at Howard Dean during the primaries (and I mean directly AT him, not Dean filtered thru anyone else), you might take another look. There's a reason he appealed strongly to people from across the political spectrum -- common sense, pragmatism, honesty and integrity, and a populist to boot. Read (or watch) some of his speeches if you can. I'm especially enamored of his June 23, 2003 Announcement speech myself. More recently, he gave a great speech campaigning for DNC chair:

The Future of the Democratic Party
by Howard Dean
Remarks made by Governor Howard Dean on the Future of the Democratic Party.
Given at The George Washington University on December 8, 2004
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1208-38.htm

And while hunting for that link, I uncovered these interesting articles, the third of which is written by Condaleeza Rice's cousin, a civil rights lawyer.

Published on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
What Dean Means by Bill C. Davis
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0113-08.htm

Published on Thursday, April 24, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
On Howard Dean by Marty Jezer
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0424-08.htm

Published on Thursday, November 6, 2003 by the Los Angeles Times
Confederate Flap: Stand Firm, Howard Dean
by Constance L. Rice
http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfiles/views03/1106-08.htm


He's not running for anything other than DNC chair right now, but he did turn his campaign into DemocracyForAmerica, and helped recruit and fund over 1000 grassroots candidates at all levels, about 1/3 of whom won their elections. You can keep up with DFA stuff here: http://www.blogforamerica.com/ I don't think there's any chance in hell TPTB will "let" him be DNC chair, and I'm fervently hoping he'll get disgusted enough that he'll just start his own party. I hope that's not just wishful thinking on my part, but it might be.

Again, welcome to DU!

[annabanana]

21. This is a good group...

Progressive Democrats of America
http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/home/

[Tinoire]

35. Thanks! This one looks good too Progressive Majority

http://www.progressivemajority.org/

[momzno1]

4. just finished reading.

excellent articles... depressing and heartening at the same time. I was an American Studies major at Smith, and even there this was not discussed or understood. I feel like my eyes have been opened to the truth.

[pretzel4gore]

5. we're space age insects

according to the ruling elite....they think they can preserve their grasping spawn on a rotting planet....and they pull off a 911 while keeping secret the logistics, using the resulting chaos to...what? advance geebush junior?
they are stupid, racist greedy idiots, goofs, nothing else. to use a rocketship to deliver a letter next door....what's the point? pigfat dingbats. Genghis Khan did what they're doing 800 years ago, WITH STYLE!
Thank GOD for global warming

[0007]

8. bttt

:kick::bounce:

[eg101]

9. I replied to that thread in the other forum

Here is my post from that thread:
I totally agree with the gist of the article you posted in that other thread, which you linked above. It is a marvelous article (the one about escaping the matrix). But that is what is so frustrating about DU and the demcratic party activists online. You basically agree with the author is saying in "escaping the matrix". But then you turn around and pretend like this is something new! "Escaping the Matrix" is all about showing how this is not new! And the Democratic Party is and always has been hip deep in this mess, every since there has been a Democratic party. And furthermore almost all of the democratic party politicians that are so idolized here on DU are hip deep in it, too, and always have been. Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Obama, Feinstein, all of them will not do a thing to upset the corporatist oligarchy or to expose the matrix. Ross Perot was the only politician I have ever seen that would speak honestly at all, even a bit.

So when are you guys going to admit that Bushco is just the Bad Cop and the Democratic party and the DLC and the DNC and the NDN are just the Good Cop in this economic mythology matrix we inhabit.

Isn't admitting the problem, facing the problem the first step in doing something about it?

OK, yeah, I know, you DUers are doing something about it, right? What I mean is doing something about the corporate influence on American politics? And specifically, how to eliminate or at least how to greatly reduce the influence of corporate politics on the Democratic party. Isn't that where you would start? Wouldn't you start by talking about how to reduce corporate influence on the Democratic party? I mean, every time I read something here on DU, some DUer is saying something about the bad influence of corporate power in politics.

Well, it is a known fact that the DLC and the NDN are the primary agents of corporate influence on the Democrat party. Right?

So if you DUers are so intent on reforming the party and reducing or eliminating corporate influence on the party, then where are the DU forums about reducing or corporate influence? If this is so important, then where are these forums?

Where is the "Stop the DLC" forum?

Where is the "Stop the NDN" forum?

Where is the "Eliminate Corporate Influence on the Democratic Party" forum?

And if corporate influence is so bad (and I certainly believe so) and if the dedicated Democratic party activists are so intent on doing something --at least something about corporate influence, then why aren't these forums are the very heart, at the very center of DU?

There are over 100 forums on DU. Over 100! Copied and pasted below is a list of them. I find nothing in there regarding forums dedicated to stopping or reducing corporate influence on the Democratic party, much less any forums about stopping or eliminating the DLC or the NDN on the party. Not one single forum dedicated to this vital issue! Not one!

What exactly is DU? That is my question.





List of DU forums:



Latest Breaking News

Editorials and Other Articles

General Discussion

General Discussion: Politics

The DU Lounge

Admin Picks

2004 Election Results and Discussion

Voting Issues

2004 Election Results and Discussion


.....

The rest of list has been deleted to save room (trust me, there is over 100, and not a one of them is devoted to stopping the DLC and the NDN.

Why?

[NoFederales]

11. Same Questions--Who's Got Answers?

Especially with respect to "eliminate corporate influence", how is this done because BOTH sides are suckling at this porker? I do not see much difference between the two major party's roll call of leadership--if that's what we can call it.

Howard Dean was an interesting voice for a while. I was amazed at how the media was able to minimize him. But I am not sure Dean can overcome his own party's leadership, many of whom are Republicans-in-diguise. Even with a large grassroots following can Dean et al shout over the media noise that will be directed his way? Can he overcome the extremists framing of his former portrayal?

It would be interesting to kick around, perhaps, the idea of Dean leading a new Political Party of disaffected Independents, Greens, Republicans, Libertarians, and Democrats. Maybe someone with a voice to his ear could ask him, what would he do with such an option? I would be interested. I am ready for an Opposition Party. And there are so many issues: War; Economy; Israel; Environment; Civil Integrity and Honesty to start.

Many thanks for all of the posted links here; I have much reading to do. Regards,

NoFederales

[eg101]

12. back to the central question

As for your comments on Dean, I will simply say, "no comment". My interests do not lie in the direction of politicians at all, but in the direction of getting people to talk about whatever the mass media not talking about.

Back to the central question, then. Over and over and over again, I see comment after comment after comment here on DU about the influence of corporate power in America. But here we are, a bunch of political activists out to reform America and make it better, and this forum of ourrs has over 100 forums, and not even one single DU forum is dedicated to ousting the agents of corporate power (DLC, NDN) from the Democratic party. It seems to me that if you were really interested in that, you would have half the forums on DU dedicated to that purpose.

But instead we have forums on every other possible topic!

What gives?

[NoFederales]

13. BOYCOTTING?

I know people think this is pretty weak shit, but it's personal, and it's an active engagement with your values. With no small inconvenience my family has taken issue with the corporations that fund extremist activities and sponsorships, like Republican donors, the Israeli policy supporters, the environment-killers. The $Buck$ is a mighty sword to the politicians and so we do our small portion to withhold what cash we spend.

And I would spend money to see the groups like DLC and extremist wingnuts dethroned if ever such is contrived. I've had it with the misanthropes and I, too, am interested in discussing what the media is not. It seems therein lies much of the evil that needs sunshine.

NoFederales

[Eloriel]

16. Actually, there IS a forum for economic activism

It's here -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=255

it's one of the DU Groups, which everyone can read but people have to be contributrors to DU to participate (post) in.

[eg101]

17. I guess that answers my questions

Hmm. So you're saying that one "Economic Activism and Progressive Living" group is equal to

One DU Group named "Stop the DLC from perpetuating yet another decade of corporate imperialism by influencing the Democratic Party"

plus

One DU Group named "Stop the NDN from perpetuating yet another decade of corporate imperialism by influencing the Democratic Party"

plus

One DU Group named "Stop corporate power from corrupting the Democratic Party and perpetuating yet another decade of corporate imperialism"


Well, OK. Let's take a look at some of the thread titles from the "Economic Activism and Progressive Living" group:

"Just did my part and dumped my Repuke milk delivery company."
"Check out the SPIN over poor holiday sales"
"Movie Theater Chains. Which are blue? "
"Do NOT go in that Michael's craft store"
"I'm getting rid of my Winsor pilates dvd's and tape! "
"Ok, I am going to write a letter to Bank of America about Diebold "
"Here's where I did my Christmas shopping"


No, nothing in there about how to oust the DLC and the NDN from power in the party.

No offense, but I guess I have to speak bluntly here, and conclude that DUers like to talk about things, but not do them? Oh, wait, I guess you guys would rather not even talk about the really important stuff, when it comes right down to it. Pardon my bluntness.

Help me out here: Is, or is not corporatre influence in American politics really the core issues in America? I mean, you are the one who just posted a long and detailed article essentially saying just that. Yet, when I point out that this core issue is not even being addressed directly here at DU, the center of online Democratic party activism, you direct me to a group devoted to boycotting corporations unfriendly to liberal politics (BTW, wouldn't that be almost all of them, practically by definition?).

No offense meant, honestly.

[BrklynLiberal]

18. There are some threads that address this subject..here are 2. I am sure

are more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2862863
Address THE Problem: Amendment - Revoke Corporate Constitutional Privelege

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2778474&mesg_id=2778474
Ending Corporate Governance

[eg101]

19. start at home

Yes, well, that is exactly I said. Everytime I read a thread on DU, any type of thread, I know that there is going to be a real good chance that one or more posters will denounce the extent of corporate power in American politics and policy. OK, great. Well, why not start at home? I mean, this is a forum for the Democratic party, correct? And when the TV politics shows talk about politics in the Democratic party, they often talk to members of the DLC and the NDN. The DLC and the NDN are without doubts agents of corporate power. We all know that.

So, if you want to reduce corporate power in American politics, why not start at home. Right here at DU. Why not start forums specifically to discuss how to stop the DLC and the NDN from exerting corporate power in the Democratic party.

You would naturally want to name these forums appropriately. You have forums on minor issues and hobbies and pasttimes, but not one single forum is dedicated to what most DUers would agree is the most important issue of all?

Why is this is the case?

Please excuse my blunt speech. I am not trying to cause trouble, but I see this as a serious issue.

[charlie]

22. Forums aren't created just for the asking

They must be approved by admin, who have considerations like preserving some measure of civility amongst factions here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=120x26818

You're hectoring the wrong people. Take it up with with admin, if you feel that strongly about it.

[eg101]

24. I wasn't asking you to create one

I was asking why there are no forums devoted strictly to undermining corporate influence on the Dem party via the DLC and NDN.

You seem to have answered that question with your response that the admininstration of this forum would prefer to maintain civil discourse among factions here at DU. OK, then that leads me to another question: is there a large faction of pro-DLC Duers? And another question: is there a large faction of pro-DLC Democrats or pro-DLC democratic party activists?

And another question: assuming that these large factions do exist (a rather dubious assumption), at what price civil discourse?

By way of explication, here is an analogy (which you may find strained, but which I do not): If one faction of the Democratic party or democratic activists or DUers favored eating babies, and wanted to make the Democratic party plank pro-baby eating, would you favor a DU forum devoted to prevent such a plank?

[charlie]

25. You got your answer why

It's not our board.

People who loathe the DLC seem to outnumber the DLC proponents by a large margin here. We routinely blast the DLC in these forums and they blast back. Segregating us into factional forums isn't likely to end that.

Again, you're griping in the wrong place. If you want an anti-DLC forum, you'll have to convince admin it's a good idea. Drop a post into the Ask the Administrators forum.

[eg101]

32. I am not griping,but trying to discuss why DU does not have these boards

There is a deeper reason why DU does not have these anti-DLC, anti-NDN boards. An underlying reason. THat is what I am trying to get at here. Obviously, most democratic activists think the DLC and the NDN are bad. Yet, contradictorily, the NDN and the DLC have a major say in the policy of the party. So, why, on the biggest democratic party activist website, is there no formal and structure venue for taking action on this issue.

I asked "why?"

So far, the answer is "because."

That's not what I am looking for. I am looking for a discussion on the underlying reason. THis is not a gripe. For one, I do not think there ever will be such anti-DLC boards here. So I am not asking for them to be created. That would seem to be a request unlikely to be granted.

Certainly, there should be. But if they are not here now, then there are likely insurmountable reasons why they are not here. But the underlying reason?

The link someone posted above is not satisfactory.

[Tinoire]

34. I think just educating people is action enough at this point

Last year most people here did not hate the DLC. The key to waking them up has been talking about it and exposing them. Education is always the first step. Look around on the internet to see the results of this two year long crusade. Progressives are no longer falling for the DLC's crap and are refusing to vote for their candidates. Everytime they try to hide behind a "new" organization such as the NDOL, the PPI, they are exposed. Look what happened to their "progressive think tank", the American Majority Institute - it died, spurned by Democrats. No one's being fooled by their crap anymore except those who share the same philosophy (in which case they're not fooled).

The DLC will die from the exposure. Is that not activism enough at this point?

Give your idea time. It will happen. The first steps though are to keep exposing the DLC, its fronts and its operatives.

[eg101]

26. what is the meaning of that DU thread you linked?

What happened there? What was the outcome? It seems to be a DUer asking for an anti-DLC forum, but I cannot make out what happened or what was the outcome.

[eg101]

47. outcome?

????

[Eloriel]

20. Oh, go suck an egg

No, I'm not saying this and this and this equals this and so forth and so on.

Nor am I responsible for ACTIVISM -- here at DU or anywhere else.

I can appreciate your passion, and I can definitely appreciate that YOU think DUers should be much bigger, batter, badder, more focused and more anti-DLC activists --

but, dude, I'm not the one to go yelling at about it, ya hear?

Put another way: You want something done? Go do it your damn self. You want a forum on how to defeat the DLC? Hey, I'm all for it. Go start one. And kwitcherbitchin.

[eg101]

23. I see you are not constrained by any fear of uncivil discourse

As long as you are on the "correct" side of things, hmm?

[NMDemDist2]

27. here is a forum that your concerns are addressed in regularly

most of us mainly ignore the DLC and work in our cities and towns with our local dem parties

Kerry and Dean proved we can financially support a candidate with less corporate $$$'s but until there is true campaign finance reform any party that is only supported by grass roots is at a huge disadvantage to the corporate whores

there is lots to be done, finance reform, voting machines and WTO etc

let's not throw away the Democratic Party until we have a viable alternative. Just keep the pressure on your local party leaders and your Democratic representatives (if you are lucky enough to have some)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=106

[Eloriel]

28. I consider hijacking someone's thread to be pretty "uncivil"

It's not that I'm totally unsympathetic to your cause -- but two of my major pet peeves are:

* Newbies coming to DU to tell us what to do and how to do it

* People hijacking threads for their own use. Why not go somewhere else to rack up enough posts that you can start your own thread on this subject?

And obviously, you've violated both. But you have kept my thread kicked, so all is not lost. (Well, you are, but beyond that.)

[eg101]

31. serious stuff

The thing about politics is that it is pretty serious stuff. I have been reading DU for a while, but I guess I am not completely aware of all the details of DU protocol. But in my own defense I feel that the issues I am discussing here are very serious and indeed crucial to the longterm well being of our country.

[Wiley50]

10. Well Eloriel, since you started this

As always, when I read a great article,I go to the source site and follow there. This,in turn, leads me somewhere else.

So, in the interest of providing other truthseekers further reading,
May I offer this link:

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/articles.html#nwo

[Clarkie1]

14. Thank you for these links; they deserve careful study

[MelissaB]

15. I'm in the middle of the first article

here on Christmas day! The paragraph that sent me back here to post is the following:

On a separate occasion, David Rockefeller stated: “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost 40 years… It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards world government. The super national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”


That is a heck of a pill to swallow, but it sure explains a lot.

[many a good man]

29. My message to new DUers: Don't believe it !

In fact, don't believe anything you read.

Certainly don't think that you can read a dozen articles and suddenly understand the real world. Its better that you gradually nourish your disillusionment by reading and talking to a variety of sources over many years. Then you will arrive honestly at the basically the same conclustions as those posted above.

Its not quite fair to jump start someone's political-economic education by giving them all the answers up front. However these are dangerous times and desperate measures are called for!

The broad outlines presented above tend to interpret all events to fit the theorem that lies outside the matrix. Don't let the political battles happening on the micro scale obscure the reality that takes place on the macro scale. What can sound like a smoothly ordered elitist conspiracy is actually the outcome of millions of small scale political battles, each with shifting alliances.

What the big picture often misses is the fact that you have to be in the game in order to influence its outcome. You have to win small battles and generate a movement that can gain you the leverage to win the big ones. Along the way temporary compromise is going to happen. Leaders in a democratic system can't lead without our support. We have to push them and cover their backs. At times we have to hold our nose. If we keep fighting the good fight maybe one day a magnificent leader will appear who befits our expectations and hopes. And hopefully the right wing won't assassinate him/her!

[Clarkie1]

30. Good advice

And while I generally agree with much of what the posted article said, it nevertheless is certainly not objective.

By saying it is not objective, I simply mean the article paints and interprets all historical events to fit one theory of history.

Nevertheless, the article does bring up many salient facts and truths not often uncovered in the mass media or our mass mytholoogy.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

33. The US/Bush support of Hitler is THE 'IN' to the American mind. n/t

[coolhandlulu]

36. Hmmm...

As someone who is still a bit naive, I feel as though this is not the proper board to post these articles. Aren't we a part of the matrix? And anything short of a revolution with a great loss of life is not going to save us. Depressing...

[eg101]

40. Are we a part of the matrix?

Some more than others, I suspect.

Can only a revolution save us? Yes, but it does not call for guns and bombs, at least not in the gunpowder sense of things, but instead the revolution is an idea revolution, a word revolution, an information war. Make your bombs while ye may, but a word bomb is the most effective in this war--just make sure it is read by other people.

Welcome to the front lines. Are you going to stay in your foxhole, or will you take your shots?

[coolhandlulu]

45. I READ what you are saying

I'm an idealist also. But idealists often don't see the world the way it usually is. Word bombs would work if people actually read or listened to others with an open mind. Most don't. That's probably why you and I are here. We have probably tried to talk or email others about our idea without much success. People would rather discuss their new SUV or last nights sitcom. As far as my shots... honestly I don't know. I'm more effective as a follower. If we are fortunate to have a leader with a vision and guts, I'll be a dedicated supporter.

[eg101]

46. actually, I am working on a video documentary

It would be public domain, distributed via various websites, and hopelfully someday, via p2p networks.

I am collecting public domain still and moving images for use in the documentary. The content of the documentary would be something like you might find in my sig (which is the subject of this thread), i.e., the Escape The Matrix essay.

People don't read much anymore. Many never did. Video is the avenue into their brains.

[proud patriot]

37. Thanks for the reminder Eloriel

:thumbsup:

[Paranoid_Portlander]

38. The Cyberjournal link is remarkable...

... (in the original message) because it describes a world (year 2000) before the Bush Residency. So the article is very prophetic, almost predicting the state of current events without knowing about the Iraqi invasion. This was written before the Patriot Act, and yet the author seems to sense its coming.

[Eloriel]

39. One more kick, while I still can

:-)

:kick:

[jandrok]

41. Nice kick

Good links.

[Eloriel]

42. Thanks

Welcome to DU!!

I can't believe how many new members we've been getting since the election. I guess that's one good outcome, eh?

[jandrok]

43. Thanks for the welcome!

I'm not really sure how I found DU exactly. I suspect that I linked here through one of the other sites that I surfed and liked what I saw. I lurked for a week or two and then joined up so I could post and participate. Great folks and TREMENDOUS content here, all should be proud.

Thanks again for the welcome.

Mike

[Rockerdem]

44. Reading these should be part of the DU service agreement

Bookmarked for further study.

[Eloriel]

48. LOL -- there's a thought

Unfortunately, there are about a gazillion wonderful pieces out there that that could apply to equally. Hopefully, DUers get their education as they go along. I know I got virtually all MY education right here at DU. Quite an eye opener, day after day after day for several years now.

And a belated welcome to DU to YOU too. :toast: