VP Candidate Edwards last seen in Real Estate Office putting down $$$$$$$'

[KoKo]

on his new house in Chapel Hill...rural...while the "Right to Vote," "Constitution" and Election 2004 goes the way of Election 2000.

His wife has a major health problem...and he's been very "low key" since the announcement.

Maybe Elizabeth should have been the VP Candidate and not Edwards for all we've heard from our Senator from NC!

[Nikepallas]

1. They are probably getting her the best medical treatment and he wants

to make her comfortable. Right now Mrs. Edwards needs to be the most important thing on his mind.

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

83. What's that supposed to mean?

:shrug:

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[blue neen]

85. I'm sure Elizabeth has the best of care.

Maybe you could tell us a little bit about how W, Jeb, Marlin, and Neil Bush made their fortunes.

[Bridget Burke]

86. He's only sued the incompetent ones.

Each case was reviewed thoroughly before he took it.

I'm sure he'll have no problem getting the best medical care.

[MARALE]

87. Hey sword!

I have a friend who is a doctor and he likes Edwards and what he has done. If we could not sue doctors who were careless with what they do, then many more would be careless. Anyway, he has not made that much off of doctors, it was the company that knew there was a danger with the whirlpool and tried to cover it up that he made most of his money. Quit listening to Rush.

[seekinguniqueness]

91. Can't blame him for that.

Too bad some folks can't see that.

[Vektor]

2. I'm willing...

...to cut Edwards a little slack on this one, since I can understand if his first, and all-encompassing priority is his cancer stricken wife.

[Egalitariat]

3. If I was John Edwards, I'd be much more concerned about

my wife's health than anything that's going on in Ohio. I know there are some people who put their country before their family, and there are a shitload of self-righteous people who say other people SHOULD put their family before their country.

But I'm not one them.

I hope that Elizabeth gets better, and I'm sure that John Edwards is doing all in his power to help her in her recovery.

[zulchzulu]

4. What the f*$k is he supposed to do?

His wife has breast cancer. He needs to care for her. What he does with this is HIS business.

Give it a friggin' rest.

[KoKo]

8. Elizabeth is very independent...she would never want John to give up

his life for her. She's a Lawyer "on her own" AND has made decisions on her own about their future...She's a courageous lady..

BUT...There were terrible Voting irregularities...if not just downright obstruction of voters rights here in NC...and that Edwards nor the rest of the "cowards" like Erskine Bowles will SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT...makes me sick!

They should have been visible in what happened in NC...and our own Democrats seem to be the FIRST to trash us in the South...because time after time...they are nothing more than "Republican Lite."

They always say: "look to the 'midterms' fight harder build stronger and look to the 'Presidentials' ....they push off and push off we Dems until like now...there's no other date to push off to...and some of us Democrats want to take as "STAND" against these "DLC" or whatever Repug Lites who have "SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER TIME AND TIME AGAIN!!!"

[blue neen]

12. The way I see it, she IS his life.

Please give it a break. Elizabeth and John will fight for us again when the time is right for them.

[KoKo]

19. Elizabeth is THE ONE....she "gets it." n/t

[KoKo]

39. "Elizabeth and John will fight for us when the time is right for them...."

quote from you...

When the "Time is RIGHT FOR THEM??" GIMME A BREAK HERE! ARE THEY ROYALTY...WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR THEM????

Who are "THEY" to decide when the "time is right" for their PARTY??? :shrug:

[In Truth We Trust]

I agree with your general sentiment KoKo01.... Folks let's be real

It only takes one hour to conduct a press conference to call out the Fraud. Granted people he is seemingly doing the supportive husband/father thing as he should but it only takes one hour to speak the truth. What is ONE HOUR to save over 225 years of democracy.

[IowaGuy]

17. Politics is the art of doing what's possible....

to throw stones at Edwards for not going down in flames over things that at this point have not, at this point, been definitively proven, is, I think a little bit selfish and imprudent. A guy that keeps his powder dry, doesn't shoot till he sees the whites of their eyes is generally going to stay alive to fight another day, and win more battles than he loses; and I'm OK with that. It isn't his job to commit political hari-kari just to make us feel good.

And like others have said so eloquently, he does have some other things on his mind. In my judgement those are "real" family values, not made-up phot-op ones for political gain. Give the guy a break...he's not the only DEM that can fight this battle.

Your comments about Elizabeth are true and well taken...just ask yourself, would a lady of that character and quality and obvious own sense of personal self esteem, align herself with anything less?

[KoKo]

22. If what you say is true "Politics art of the possible" then DU should not

EXIST...because we have given up after "Bush vs. Gore." We should have just laid down and sung: "Roll Me Over, Roll Me Over...Roll Me Over....and DO IT AGAIN!...Do IT AGAIN!"

I personally love my country too much to be rolled over "Again...and Again...and Again." :shrug:

[KSAtheist]

56. Have you considered...

That he knows something that you don't, and not the other way around? Edwards is a smart guy, with two university degrees. I'm sure he knows the stakes and the score.

[DemDogs]

96. Don't think she'd appreciate this

Independent or not, he is probably where she would be -- next to one another.
Besides, Edwards has been active. Word has been that Edwards was the one who got Kerry to engage in Ohio at all, after much prodding. If you don't give him a break because of his wife, give him a break because he has been classy about not going public with his desire to fight when Kerry did not want to.
Also, Edwards is not, has never been DLC.

[noamnety]

5. They discussed that before on tv

They are looking to get out in the country away from the chaos of the city, in a house they'd like to raise their kids in, and probably a quiet place for her to rest while dealing with treatments.

[Padraig18]

6. Excuse me, but what the hell SHOULD he be doing?

Kerry conceded, and his wife has cancer. Perhaps YOUR priorities are not HIS priorities at the moment, ya think?

:wtf:

[zulchzulu]

7. Do you think nothing is happening with the election from Kerry/Edwards?

I'm assuming you're up to speed on what's happening and maybe a little date named January 6th, 2005 means something?

As the other threads so, your post is pretty wacked for attacking Edwards who's taking care of his wife, who was diagnosed with a life-threatening disease...I'm not sure where you are coming from with this...

[surfermaw]

9. He told the County he was moving to another home in NC.

In November when he s poke to the people...If there is something going on in Ohio. Want it be better to find out as times goes, rather than have Edwards and Kerry make fools of them selves< I am susre that Edwards is doing every thing he can, but he has Elizabeth to look after, I am sure she is going to be find, but what if not, I lost my daughter in just a few weeks and it took our family of 3 other children and me doing every thing we could every minute of the day from July 6, untill August 24 when we lost her. John Edwards has mor to think of than any voted in Ohio. He wouldn't be much of a man if he doesn't put his family first.

[blue neen]

10. Then I would say that he definitely has his priorities in the proper order

Family first. Always.

[seito]

11. Amen n/t

[KoKo]

14. ROFLMAO! Edwards Priorities are HIMSELF! n/t

[Padraig18]

16. You're entitled to your opinion...

...even if it's wrong.

[KoKo]

20. Okay....tell me where I'm "Wrong?" n/t

[Padraig18]

21. Read up.

Your previous post is a perfect example.

[KoKo]

23. Convenient.....you offer no information to refute your claims but refute

mine when I live in Edwards state and am involved with the Dem Party here...Who should read their "previous posts." You or Me....lol's :D

[Padraig18]

24. You asserted the proposition.

Any freshman on a high school debate team knows that he who asserts the proposition bears the burden of proof.

[KoKo]

32. Hey...then give me some "proof" of what you say??? I keep asking..n/t

[name not needed]

89. God forbid his highest priority is the woman he's been married to for

almost 30 years and not you.

:eyes:

[DemDogs]

97. Same old same old from you (n/t)

[spooky3]

13. I hope your family cares as much for you as Edwards does for his.

[KoKo]

15. Yes....my "immediate family does." and I live in NC...and also know SC

where Edwards was born...so I have an "insider radar" about this...aside from being very involved with Edwards first run for Senator...and what has "transpired with him" since...

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[KoKo]

26. The "Iraq War Vote" and his running for Pres...since he became a

Senator hurt Edwards in his home state. Many have said he didn't pay enough attention to his hard core constituents...

He had the "glory of the Presidency in his eyes" and couldn't understand as a "novice politician" that one needs to "nuture them that brung them to the Dance."

Edwards defied the "small folks" and catered to the "Big." It cost him..but we worked our butts off for Kerry/Edwards team...even those of us who were so disilusioned with them.. We gave up our principles to put them in...and didn't ask more from them but that they were DEMOCRATS..

I have a right to my opinion...I was a Precinct Vice Chair...and we did everything to assure a Kerry/Edwards Victory...even though I protested his Iraq Vote. I held with our Dem Party and Kerry Edwards to get them elected and convinced others to vote for them..even though my loyalties were with Dean/Kucinich.

They OWE ME! I DON'T OWE THEM....I'm a North Carolinian...not by choice but I and others worked with every ounce of strength in our body to elect this winning team.

I have a right to vent....Because I know what went on here....

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[brook]

43. If what you say is true....

that Edwards "defied the small folks and catered to the Big"...why the hullabaloo? Seems like your energenic anger might be better directed at finding a more suitable candidate. Say, Dean and Kusinich?

You have all the right in the world to vent...but Edwards owes you nothing.

What he is doing now is what makes him the man that he is...the man who appealed to so many. His is a family in crisis and he is doing what needs to be done to see it through. How you can fault him for that is puzzling.

[surfermaw]

47. You have no right to tell Edwards to put country before his wife

Edwards , knows the score and when the time comes he will speak out. I got a christmas card from Edwards. He and his family were smiling, but Elizabeths eyes weren't as sparkly as they should have been..something in her eyes bothers me.So please cut the crap.. I don't know of a Democrat in this state or in South Carolina that could carry the states...The religious right is going to vote republican untill they hurt really hurt from Republican policies, such as SS and the economy. They are stupis, what can you do with a bunch of stupid snits/

[KoKo]

29. "Armchair Warriors" are always welcomed for their opinions...until they

show their lack of participation to those who are "on the ground, fighting to save our political system that our American Government was designed to uphold...after "Founding Fathers" experience or assessment of how other "civilizations" had imploded throughout history...by the very bulldozing of "Principles & History" the Bushies/Reagan/Nixon/PNAC have employed in their various re-incarnations since the DAWN OF TIME!

PLEASE!!!!

[KoKo]

38. This is going into a "low-key Flame War." Mods will lock it.....Sad we

we can't get a discussion about this past "He said, She said." I'm done with it...can't say any more...

[bush_is_wacko]

25. Give me a break!

Edwards has a responsibility to his wife right now! He can deal with the election issues when he is needed. I don't suspect Kerry is asking him to neglect his wife right at the moment to come to Washington and add his name to a court motion in person. If he is needed, he will go. Family really does matter to these particular candidates. Did you miss that part of thier campaign somehow?

[KoKo]

27. So....what did you do in the last election....? What do you REALLY know

about it??? :shrug:

[blue neen]

36. Do you think that you are the only person in this thread who

worked for the K/E campaign? And that is a moot point. EVERYBODY is entitled to their opinion, not just people who worked on the campaign.

We are all upset and angry about voter fraud. Please don't take it out on everyone else, particularly a family that is in a crisis right now.

[KoKo]

41. Were YOU involved in Electing Edwards as Senator from NC? n/t

[blue neen]

46. Your question was "What did you do in the last campaign?"

I assume you meant Nov. 2. I did PLENTY, despite having surgery myself on June 15 and October 5. That is still a moot point. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, whether they worked on the campaigns or not.

One of my best friends is now going through treatment for breast cancer. She goes through chemotherapy every week, will have radiation treatments, and surgery. She has constant nausea, has lost her hair, and has severe bone pain from the Neulasta injections she endures (Neulasta helps to build up her white blood cells). Her life is truly a living hell right now, and she does not have two small children to care for like Elizabeth and John do.

I will no longer dignify any of your posts on this subject with a reply.

[surfermaw]

49. Kemo takes every thing out of a preson

maybe Elizabeth makes it look easy when she speaks, but I remember days when my daughter would finish Kemo and then take sometimes two pints of blood, this stuff cancer is more terrible than any one can comprehend unless you have been through it...More power to John Edwards for looking after his wife, counting these votes aren't goint th help , we have got to have the way we vote changed and be sure to have a paper trail, frankly I think a pincil and plent places to vote and the voted counted right is the way to go.. computers are much too unreliable.

But the fact that we are going to get to count them will help.Frankly I don't know if we will ever h ave another fair election..not as long as it is done by computer...

[KoKo]

55. Elizabeth was on Charlie Rose last week...the Election took place ll/2...

As time goes on she will be very tired...but they have money for help with the kids and her illness. This doesn't excuse her husband from being a NCI Senator...and standing up for the RIGHT TO VOTE without being disenfranchised.

Elizabeth has HELP...She is NOT our SENATOR...NOR WAS SHE THE VP CANDIDATE!

I wish Elizabeth all my hopes and prayers...but, it doesn't mean John Edwards is at the foot of her bed praying every minute of the day...and we shouldn't bother him...because he is in "too much pain..to deal."

Sorry.. if that sounds cynical, heartless and cruel...it's the reality I know of folks like them and my friends who don't GIVE UP...

[bush_is_wacko]

88. I am a K/E volunteer, just like a lot of people on this board.

I have NO direct contact w/ either candidate if that is what you are implying, but that doesn't make my point any less valid. Kerry doesn't even HAVE to show up to file a motion in court. Only his lawyers do. As much as I support K/E for Pres and VP, it is much more important to me to see our elections process CHANGED. I think criminal prosecutions and election reform MAY place K/E in the WH, but the issue for me is putting "We the People" back in control of our ELECTIONS! * in the WH with all these charges swirling around him is a lame duck President. This is history and I will be happy to wait as long as it takes to reform the system. If the rethugs impeached Clinton for fibbing about a blow-job, the Dems should have no problem impreaching * for lying about WMD's, election fraud, crimes against humanity, etc. etc., but remember Clinton's impeachment didn't come overnight and neither will *'s. Legal action takes a lot of time. Meanwhile, more evidence accumulates because * Co. cannot resist trying to cover-up a little more.

[Cherie59]

28. Good for John and Elizabeth Edwards! May all their dreams come true!

[KoKo]

31. May all "THEIR DREAMS COME TRUE?" What about "OUR DREAMS"

of "FAIR AND FREE ELECTIONS" WHERE NO ONE is DISINFRANCHISED????

Hello.....is there something out there...hello???????

[Cherie59]

33. It is none our business if he wants to buy a house or not.

Life must go on in the meantime.

[KoKo]

35. This post is "drifting off subject." Where is John Edwards...where's his

strategy...He and Kerry should be working together...Edwards should have talked about what went on in NC...Surely he had heard about BBVoting...enough of us sent him faxes and letters about it...so he as a
"Trial Lawyer" should have been "clued into this."

He saw what happened with Gore...he's a Democrat...like me and others here! If he wasn't totally demoralized and freaked out by what happened to Al Gore...then WHAT THE HELL are WE supposed to THINK about the KERRY/EDWARDS TEAM? Thousands of Lawyers in the States for this election...but Edwards can't even stand up for what went WRONG in North Carolina????

Elizabeth has the sense in that team....she knows...but she's got her own problems to deal with.

I think in a "marriage team" when one partner has problems the others asks the "strong one" to CONTINUE THE FIGHT.

I know something about long term partnerships...I've been there and seen how it works..:shrug:

[Lars39]

40. You somehow think that her cancer is not affecting him?

They are learning every day what her diagnosis and treatment will mean to them. Given how advanced her cancer was, they are coping admirably, as far as we can see. She probably has about 4 more treatments to go, and they are not a cakewalk; it's probably Adriamycin. Taxotere isn't always easy to get through, either. Add two little kids and he's probably got his hands full. Family comes first.

[KoKo]

42. She is being treated for "Breast Cancer" she's not dying...please...

You make it sound like Elizabeth is waiting for the "Hospice Team" to come in and prepare her for death.....:eyes:

[Lars39]

44. Her tumor was pretty large, IIRC.

At this point, I have to say you are sounding pretty callous.

[KoKo]

48. You have no idea who you are talking to....and my own experiences or

friends of mine who've been through Elizabeth's experience and worse....and Folks either GIVE UP or they DON'T....

Elizabeth is a fighter...she had two kids in her Fifties...the hormones and risks she took shows she's a real fighter who takes chances...she also knows the risks.

For you and others to make Elizabeth some "EXCUSE" for her husband not to have a minute of free time to DEFEND DEMOCRACY is demeaning to Elizabeth and all of those of us who've HAD A LIFE while we fought Cancer or other Diseases....

You don't go into a hole and put your life away when you are diagnosed with something. You FIGHT...if you don't fight...you are at the whims of your disease and the interests of those who want you to lie down and die...:shrug:

[Lars39]

51. Koko...

[KoKo]

53. Would you want you and yours to give up investigating "Election Fraud"

because of your Eighth round of chemo? NO.. I don't think so...because you are here on DU and YOU ARE A FIGHTER...Just as I WAS WHEN THEY TOLD ME I would be DEAD over Eight years ago...and I had the BEST...University and Private Physicians...because I've worked in the Medical Field for years and didn't pull out any stops when it came to my life or death...I called in everyone I knew who could give me the BEST advice...and would not tell me what my "original team" said....

You are here on this post fighting...and Elizabeth was just on Charlie Rose show...would you want us NOT TO FIGHT?

No...You will fight with everything you have...because you are one of us..that's what I'm trying to say...Elizabeth Edwards isn't making "Elections about Her and Her Breast Cancer...I would never come here and
promote "over sympathy" for those who need to address health problems and equate it with the Democracy and US Constitution we are fighting to preserve. :shrug: Can you not understand what I'm saying here?

[tsuki]

68. Have you ever had cancer. It is not a "treatment." If it recurs, I will

not go through "treatment" again.

[KoKo]

45. What does Elizabeth's Breast Cancer have to do with "Election Fraud?"

I must be missing this. You all think John Edwards is sittin on the "porch steps" with head in his hands mourning Elizabeth in such grief he cant defend North Carolina voters who were suppressed, thwarted, and denied the right to vote...to say nothing of the WHOLE National Election with Election fraud rampant?

Elizabeth wouldn't want him sitting there crying in his soup over her medical problems. They both appeared just last week on Charlie Rose show on PBS..hardly sounds like Elizabeth is on her "death bed." They were out there being visibile for "themselves" but NOT FOR THE ELECTION FRAUD.

I'm a cancer survivor myself..I don't get into personal stuff here on DU...but there's no way I would have not fought for Gore or Kerry to be President...not matter how little I had left to live or what I had to go through to survive chemo wise....I will always be a FIGHTER...because that's what keeps me alive.

You folks sound like Edwards is in "mourning over Elizabeth." They are a modern family which fights together and supports each other. A diagnosis of CANCER IS A TIME TO FIGHT...not wait for the "Undertaker" to come to visit...Sheesh...some of you are kind of innocent.....:shrug:

[politicasista]

34. I am getting sad again

I hope Mrs. Edwards will get well soon. She and Momma T gave us so much hope. I miss them so much.:cry:

[fooj]

37. Too Much!

It never ceases to amaze me! Some things are just much bigger than we are...Edwards is not the only political figure that can help us to attain our goals of free and fair elections! I have the utmost respect for the man and I appreciate his dedication and devotion to his wife and kids! I also believe that if needed, he would be front and center in a heartbeat! Have faith! He is where he SHOULD BE at the moment! PEACE!

[KoKo]

50. GASP! He's where he should be? Buying a new House in Chapel Hill?

OMG...Let me just go "re-fi" and buy my new house...way away from my Repug Neighbors...in the "rural section" of Chapel Hill...where I can plot my 2008 Candidacy....

Hidey Away...Away from the Fray.... BLECH! :eyes:

[supernova]

52. KoKo, you are sounding

unbelievably selfish in this thread. :-( You're mad John is choosing his wife's health over your concerns?

Puh-leez.

Honestly, they have the money. They should do exactly what makes her feel comfortable. I wish her a speedy recovery and a good prognosis. The fact that you are a cancer survivor should increase your empathy for them, instead it appears to be dimished in you. I expected better from you.

Yes, it's sad we lost the election. Yes, there is much to work on. But blaming them for retreating a bit during a time of illness is not the way to go about it.

[KoKo]

54. A bit of illness? And you think I know no one else who has had what

Elizabeth Edwards has been diagnosed with? AND WORSE! Friend of mine just had fist sized tumor taken out of her head...and she got okay from doctors to fly to Miami to be there for Holidays with daughter...

She could have taken to her bed...said...I can't go...just had tumor taken and who knows what will happen to me...BUT...she didn't give up on life..nor did her husband who just died from colon cancer (and I won't even give you the malpractice background of what happened with him)..but it's still in the courts. These two people have had health problems you wouldn't believe...could be one of those Network "Reality Shows" but they voted for Kerry-Edwards and she is looking to "ME" to keep her informed because she and her husband before he died know I'm on this "Underground" site and I keep sending her "info" that gives her "HOPE!"

Her daughter voted on the infamous "Butterfly Ballot in Palm Beach County for Gore...her vote she is sure went to Buchanan.

I've been at this a long time...have friends who now are desperate feeling they are "Fringe Folks" because of Gore vs. Bush and now Bush vs. America II.

I will fight and keep fighting....We all must do this...as long as we have life left. If we leave this to "someone else" because of our own problems...then who are we...and WHAT LIFE is left worth living with these Neo-Nazi's in Power?

[supernova]

57. Umm... you're not the only one fighting here

you know. You're not the only one whoever dealt with a life-threatening illness, either. *pointing at myself* I've dealt with several of them. I've got the scars to prove it, too.

And yes, I have lived to fight other wars, including an emotionally abusive marriage which I had the guts to leave.

So don't lecture to me about what is worth fightng for. I do plenty at the county level. I just don't get on DU and crow about it.

Not only that, you are making an incredible leap of logic to assume that just because they buy a farm in the country for now, that somehow is indicative of them quitting a public life forever. Their job is to decide that for themselves.

I agree with you that life certainly is worth fighting for, but damn! To critize someone for how they choose to handle an illness is just inhuman.

[KoKo]

58. Okay...I'm Inhuman.....Saving Democracy is what it's about...so I'm

not Elizabeth and John and I crow about about how I worked for Kerry/Edwards even though I supported Dean/Kucinich but had to switch over because I thought Democracy was worth fighting for.

And, I still believe that Gore is our President. I won't rest until that's proved...but yes...you are correct...I am an "Idealist" and can't give up that some causes are worth fighting for to the death and while you are fighting illness.

Maybe in another life I will re-incarnate as Karl Rove or the PNAC crowd and my "zealotry" will be appreciated. In THIS LIFE I'm fighting for the party I've belonged to all my life...I think it's a worthy cause...no matter what life throws me along the way... If that offends you...then okay...it's just you need to understand that some of us feel we must do this...and don't understand why those we gave money and time...(that we took out of our own lives with our families) shouldn't be as zealous as we are given what we've been through in America the last four years.

Without proper health care...we will all die unless we are Bush/Cheney & Crew who get full medical work ups every year to find everything that can be caught small before it becomes full blown cancer, diabetes, heart disease or anything that could kill us because it wasn't caught early. Many of us won't be able to afford Elizabeth Edwards Chemo and consultations with Doctors in the finest hospitals to get the best treatment for our condition. Many of us won't have jobs and our parents won't have adequate health care or retirement funds to keep them from having to depend on us who are being laid off or downsized out of American Jobs.

I try to look at the "big picture" while knowing that all my prayers for Elizabeth's health are hopefully going to the "big guy in the sky" I still know that she has access to health care and help to get her through her ordeal that millions of Americans don't and won't..

I try to separate my sympathy from giving a person a pass who hasn't asked for it.

If that makes me sound "inhuman," then so be it...I feel sad that another DU'er would think that of me...but Hey...in these times...we just eat each other and figure the wreckage left will be okay.

[Cheswick2.0]

63. I know of a woman who just died last week...poor woman died of Uterine

cancer. She was living in public housing raising a little girl by herself. She fought for 5 years before she finally died the night of her daughter's Christmas concert.

Her daughter never missed doing her homework in all those years, except once when she had to hold her mothers head over the toilet all night. Her mom made sure she did her work no matter what and even though they live in the worst of poor neighborhoods and the little girl goes to the poorest of the poor grade schools she is a good child and a good student.

She knew something was wrong when her Mom didn't show up at the concert. She was home, two blocks away at their section 8 apartment, hemoraging to death.

Now the little girl will be adopted by a friend of her mother's.

Now there is someone who knows about fighting. That woman is an inspiration. So is the little girl. She was back at school the day after her mother died because she feels safe there.

People like that will not benefit from anything that happened in this election.

[brook]

64. There you go again..

Your bitterness is amazing to me.

Again, I'm puzzled by this sense of entitlement you seem to display. The world should tilt on it's axis because YOU did not get what you wanted?

You are, as I said before, entitled to rant....however unproductive I may think it is. What you seem to be missing is the true essence of a Democrat - compassion, understanding, empathy, ability to imagine and create a better future - values that are lived, not preached. You know, the things we are crucified for day after day.
We're different, we Democrats, because we can think, feel and chew gum at the same time. It differentiates us from the sheeple who take pride in their ignorance and who will have a terrible time, in the end, accepting the responsibility for the disaster that is *.

If you think that the future is wrapped up in what John Edwards does or doesn't do to please you, you have already reached your stop sign. Time to put your car in park.

[Cheswick2.0]

65. no. she just refuses to wear a "kick me" sign on her back

like so many democrats who are happy to serve the personal ambitions of wealthy politicians and then watch them walk away to live in prosperity and privilege while those who worked and voted for them continue to suffer in poverty with crappy if any medical insurance, bad job opportunity, cut SS benefits and no hope for anything better.

[brook]

72. Kick me - Owe me?

What's the difference? Non-productive either way.

Don't like things? Don't waste your time demanding someone else fix your world. If you find you put your eggs in the wrong basket, shop around for a new hen.It's rather foolish to vote more than once for anyone you feel has betrayed you...

If it were true that "so many Democrats" (that's 'big D') merely served the avaricious ambitions of scurrilous politicians, America would still be waiting for the social programs that exist (and are imperiled) today. While there is no perfection in politics - I'll stand with the Democrats over thugs like the Bushistas anyday.

To hold John Edwards responsible for one's distress is a self-indulgent foolishness, imho. To accept what is and to develop a plan for what is next is a much healthier approach.

Just my opinion.

[saracat]

67. I just can't let this pass. I have got to ask whatever do you mean by

this statement to Ko Ko?

"Again, I'm puzzled by this sense of entitlement you seem to display. The world should tilt on it's axis because YOU did not get what you wanted?"

Don't you think that the candidates have an obligation to their supporters and the voters of this country? And the "world IS tilting on its axis " because WE didn't get what WE wanted, a fair election! I am not condemning Edwards but he did promise us that "every vote would be counted". Unless that was just rhetoric, I thought he meant it. He has an obligation to follow through on that promise. I don't know what he is doing to ensure that the promise be kept, but Ko Ko has every right to demand that he deliver on that promise. I really like Edwards but if he places his family above the nation, (and I don't think he does! ) I wouldn't want to see him that close to the presidency. The nation and its people must come first at all times. If a candidate cannot accept that condition he ought not to run.
Bill Clinton said in his book that he ceased to be even President when he traveled abroad, but became all of us. He was America.
Right now, John Edwards still represents America as the recount goes on. He has signed on as an intervener along with Kerry. Ko Ko has every right to expect "the future to be wrapped in what John Edwards does." Edwards made that decision for us both when he ran for office, and when he determined to be part of the intervention.
This has nothing to do with Elizabeth's illness. God Bless her, and Bless John, but his obligation to us is not diminished by his personal situation.

[brook]

73. If KoKo has...

a problem with my post, I'm sure KoKo will make that known.

My feeling is that John's obligation is to his family at this moment in time. The election is over. The legal processes with regard to the recount go on. I'm sure he and Senator Kerry are kept apprised of the
progress. I see no need to censure, judge or anticipate what John Edwards is doing at the moment. If I had so little faith in his integrity, I surely would not have voted for him.

If and when, I feel he has forfeited my esteem, I will begin to explore my options within the party, sans bitterness and with renewed certainty that the Republican days of running roughshod over the Constitution are numbered.

[Carolab]

77. KoKo and saracat

I understand

[tsuki]

69. He was also not the presidential candidate. He was not the head of

the ticket.

[proudbluestater]

59. Most politicians maintain two residences...

Home state and Washington, D.C. Don't give up hope.

Edwards was extremely upset when Kerry conceded. At this point, being second on the ticket, he is stuck with letting Kerry take the lead role or not. Had he been at the top of the ticket, he probably would have done some things differently, but in light of his wife's situation I think he's done what's appropriate for him and his family.

I hope to God you never experience cancer in yourself or one of your family members. If you do, the comments you have made here today will come back and hit you like a wall of bricks. You talk as it cancer is a walk in the park. If you have never known anybody who had it, you are missing significant information on which you base your judgements. So what if she has people to help take care of her kids? Does that make the cancer go away? Does that make her hair stop falling out? Does that make her stop puking after each treatment? Just because she looks wonderful doesn't mean she hasn't gone through hell.

Re: your comments:
"Friend of mine just had fist sized tumor taken out of her head...and she got okay from doctors to fly to Miami to be there for Holidays with daughter...She could have taken to her bed...said...I can't go...just had tumor taken and who knows what will happen to me...BUT...she didn't give up on life."

And what is she doing that is different from Mrs. Edwards? Mrs. Edwards is also carrying on with her life. I saw a picture of her from a week or so ago in Washington DC and she looked glowing. She didn't take to her bed, but anybody with cancer might find the need to at times. I don't believe they owe you an explanation for it.

[AgadorSparticus]

60. i have to agree with you. it's sad that Elizabeth has breast cancer.

and John Edwards, of course, has a responsibility to his wife and family. He also, as an elected official, has a responsibility to act as our voices on the national stage. Like you said, it would only take an hour to conduct a little press conference. If he has the time to look for a home and go through the paperwork of it, he can spend an hour answering press questions about Ohio Election Fraud. It's sad that Elizabeth has breast cancer. But it's not an excuse to not say anything either.

[tsuki]

70. He is no longer an elected official.

[AgadorSparticus]

75. you're right. maybe not elected, but he is the democratic vp nominee.

with it comes some responsibility. i would hope, considering what is at stake, that he would speak up whether or not he got the nod from kerry. i hope that he stands for something greater than himself and his career. that applies to all politicians but i have no hope for the repug types.

[tsuki]

93. What responsibility do you want the VP nominee to take? Where

is the DNC, DLC, Kerry, the Senators? Are they making sure my vote counted? We have a few brave souls in the House that are digging for the truth. The MSM is ignoring them, but as they did with Gore, and Dean, they would rip Edwards to pieces as a "conspiracy nut" if he spoke out.

[AgadorSparticus]

98. considering the stake of democracy is at stake, yea, i do expect him

and all those believing in the truth to stand up--even if it hurts. and if that means being labeled whatever from the repugnant right, then so be it. but since when do we walk on eggshells in fear of getting labeled something? that's bullshit.

[ISUGRADIA]

92. He's still a US Senator until January

[KittyWampus]

61. This Thread Is Repulsive. BTW, Where'd You Pick Up That Piece Of

Gossip?

And GEE, I wonder if Elizabeth Edwards ever reads this forum.....

:puke:

[seaglass]

78. It IS repulsive and damn sad. The Edwards put their lives aside

for a year for us but somehow that is not enough, they are not allowed to be human. They just need to give, give, give and the selfish demands NEVER stop.

[ebayfool]

79. Agreed! This thread is disgusting & I'm ashamed of DU at this ...

moment just reading it. Christ, talk @ self centered & eating your own! Cut the Edwards some slack, they DON'T owe any more than they are prepared or are able to give at this point in their lives. Yes - family IS more important than we are at this time. I'd focus on my family in this situation too ... & if people didn't like it, tough! No amount of "help" can substitute for what family can give each other. There are people posting crap in this thread that I'm shocked to see - people that I've admired greatly in the past months. They are shaking my faith more than Edwards ever could, they are supposed to be the backbone of DU - Edwards is only one man. Youbetchurass it cold & heartless, I fail to see what you expect him to do - except maybe be abused by the party faithful?! You can talk all @ how others get out of bed & don't give in, when a loved one is fighting a battle like E. is - it takes the whole family's focus to fight. Sometimes you have to savor that time in case you don't win - just in case. "Been there, done that!" AND would do it again! His family IS the highest priority, as it should be. NOTHING is more important, including reassuring tantrum-throwing voters.

Just my opinion of your opinions!

[FlaGranny]

80. Agreed, repulsive. n/t

[Clarkie1]

62. Edward's can't change things; The 2004 election is over, let him get on

with the rest of his life in peace.

I wish him the best of luck in whatever road he takes in the future.

[Laurab]

66. How do you know?

What he may or may not be doing in regard to election fraud? How many prominent democrats have said or done much at all that we know about? Who are you to say he isn't doing anything? The fact is no one KNOWS. Secondly, why do you presume to know how serious his wife's illness is? People still do die from breast cancer - some cases are far more serious than others. Anything you say, or anyone else says, at this point, is merely presumtion.

I'm sure in the future we'll have the answers, but I am apalled by the coldness and callousness in your post. The fact that someone puts money down on a house certainly does not mean they are not doing other things with their time as well. Perhaps he was just not "seen" doing them. Are you truly heartless, or just having a bad day?

[AP]

71. Never mind.

[LeftyMom]

74. Chapel Hill

is home to a university hospital. I assume it's a good place for medical care. I know talking my grandmother (who died of breast cancer that spread) the fifteen minutes from her home to Enloe hospital in Chico for cancer treatment was very draining for her on the worst days and the times she had to go to Redding or Sacramento (about an hour and a half either way) were worse. I'm guessing they're getting a home that's near medical care but in an area where tehy can have some privacy and quiet. I'd do the same in thier situation.

[chapel hill dem]

90. Edwards will live in my neighborhood!

Hi! I am fairly new as a registered member but have been lurking here since 2002. I only post when I can offer some specific info to the discussion so I have a very low post count. :)

John Edwards purchased 100+ acres up the street from me in July. The deal was supposedly struck in June. Land clearing began in late July/early August. I do not know exactly when he started construction on the house because it is not visible from the road, but it is clearly underway now.

The buzz/rumor mill in Chapel Hill was that he was running for the VP position (not President) from the get-go and never really thought the Kerry/Edwards team would beat Bush/Cheney. 2008 is his real target. He is currently living in a very nice house in Raleigh and should move into the new house in the summer (2005).

My friends at UNC say he is negotiating to become a Professor of Law and teach a course or two. The early speculation was that he would teach some aspect of tort law or courtroom argument, but I hear that the Kenan Institute of Government (up the hill from the law school) is also talking to him about teaching.

There is also speculation that he will teach at Duke (about 10 miles away) but Duke is not very well liked here in NC by the locals. The PC solution is UNC.

With his wife diagnosed with breast cancer, the Chapel Hill move will be a good long term play being between two major medical centers (Duke and UNC), but for now they are commuting from Raleigh for treatment.

BTW, showing up at the courthouse in late December is a tradition around here because property taxes are due December 31. I will be down there Wednesday with a check in hand.

[Digit]

104. I remember when they said they had purchased property in Chapel Hill

I certainly do not begrudge him that!
I have a very high opinion of John Edwards.
Thanks for the update!

[Contrary1]

76. Let me tell you a little bit about cancer...

and what the diagnosis does to you and your loved ones.
I am a 7+ year survivor of breast cancer. When the doctor
first says those 3 words, the whole world as you knew it
ceases to exist. Nothing at that point matters more than
survival.

After the fog clears a bit, and you start looking beyond
yourself, you realize just what is important in this life.
It's not power or money, that makes life worth fighting for.
It is those you love and those who love you. If you were to
lose everything you own tomorrow, you would still carry that
love.

Elizabeth is in for the fight of her life. There is no cure
for breast cancer. Through surgery, chemotherapy, radiation,
and other treatments that take a tremendous toll on the body,
they will either get it all...or they won't.

First, breast cancer attacks the body, then it plays a lifelong
game with the mind. I have heard of recurrences from the same
breast cancer as far out as 22 years after the original diagnosis.
Acceptance is one thing, but there is no "getting over it".

Perhaps John and Elizabeth Edwards have re-evaluated their priorities
too. I am sure they have enough money to live comfortably the rest
of their lives. And why not? I say, if that's what they want, they
should go for it, and the best of luck to them. They owe me nothing.

[Bridget Burke]

82. Yes, he does have money ("$$$$$$$")

He earned it.

[bitchkitty]

94. Did I miss something? Is purchasing

real estate a no-no? I don't get it. Why can't he buy a house? You make no sense at all.

[DaveinMD]

95. his wife has cancer

and you want him focusing on politics? You have the wrong priorities there.

[Bouncy Ball]

99. Is he not allowed to buy a house?

Sheesh.

[Lex]

105. The Edwards' bought this property BEFORE he was chosen VP

and the original poster acts like he just bought it yesterday.

The land, which is acreage, is a good investment even if he never lived on it at all.

His house in Raleigh, where he lives now, doesn't appear to be on the market.

[ally_sc]

100. maybe everyone is trying to keep a low profile...see link

http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/KerryPreparingGroundsToUnconcede.htm

in case you have forgotten...

[zulchzulu]

101. You're right! Edwards should spend every penny of his own on recount

I mean EVERY penny. To hell with his kids! To hell with his wife who is fighting cancer! To hell with himself! Does he REALLY need food? I mean...really! His kids have clothes already! I'm sure they have food in the freezer for a rainy day like this! Hell, he should sell his house and ALL of his possessions immediately!

He could move in with his parents. Wait! They have money and shit too! What the hell are THEY doing???? Huh?

Edwards should pour ALL OF HIS MONEY into the recount efforts. ALL OF IT! Sell everything! End up penniless and with starving children, a wife in the hospital that is not getting treatment because he's spending the money on the recount.

Everyone will understand! And thanks to people like you, his spending all his money on the recount will make him a real hero until you get bored with him and find a new mission to lay your attentions toward.

SELL!!! SELL!!!! SELL!!!!

[ally_sc]

102. the subject is buying a house and we have gone to breast cancer

it really isn't anyone else's business what the edwards's are doing or not doing. we do not know what is going on behind the scenes. his wife has breast cancer. i have a friend who was diagnosed last august. she had a lumpdectomy (sic). it has turned her world upside down because the dr's had her go through radiation therapy first. now she will start chemo soon.
we do not know what others go through. i did not know there were so many aspects of breast cancer. my friend has negative hormone receptors so she is not a canidate for tomoxifcen (sic).
early detection is the best defense so eveyone get there mammograms...

[Lex]

103. This transaction happened BEFORE he was chosen as VP.

Let's first get our facts straight here.

[Catchawave]

106. Edwards 2008 !

It could happen :bounce:

[Moderator]

107. Locking: Flamebait