why is it wrong for liberal Democrats to advance their goals?

[ulysses]

peace
economic and judicial fairness
support for the most vulnerable among us
human and civil rights
protection of the environment

Pure fringe insanity, I know...

[Merlot]

1. Who said it was wrong?

the MSM?

[ulysses]

6. ok, I know I should know

but what does "MSM" stand for?

[4morewars]

9. MSM = main stream media

[ulysses]

13. thanks. n/t

[Turn CO Blue]

2. Because resistance is futile. We must be assimilated.

Everyone seems to concede that the Borg-licans are all-powerful.

Where's Captain Picard when we need him?

[eleny]

3. Yeah - the beatitudes

The nerve!

[4morewars]

4. "But if by a "Liberal" ...

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal.'
-------------------------------------------------------JFK

[DaveinMD]

5. what's wrong

is the idea of running out of party everyone who disagrees on anything. That is what is wrong. And I don't mean anything on your list. I mean any vote on any bill or any tactic to win.

[ulysses]

7. how about a straight answer to my question?

Who said anything about running anyone out of the party?

[DaveinMD]

8. there is a lot of it here

but I agree with everything on your list. They signify a lot of why I got involved in politics from the time I was 12 years old.

[ulysses]

10. perhaps I've misjudged

(wouldn't be the first time) but you've seemed to me to be quite the moderate. How is it then that you could support such a radical agenda?

[DaveinMD]

17. I'm a liberal pragmatist

I've supported such things my entire life. I became a Democrat because of my belief that the Democrats cared more about civil rights and economic justice.

My first job out of college was working for the AFL-CIO. I also worked for the American Federation of Teachers. I've worked on a lot of campaigns for both liberal and moderate Democrats. I think we need to have a big tent. Democrats that win in New York aren't necessarily able to win in Colorado.

I believe the party needs to return to economic populism to win. We need to run a campaign to bring economic hope to all Americans and remind people how they are getting screwed by those in power. This is some of what I believe.

[ulysses]

25. I disagree with none of this.

I'm not sure what the problem is.

[VioletLake]

27. That's what I was thinking about your thread.

:shrug:

[ulysses]

31. the division wasn't of my making. n/t

[VioletLake]

32. What division?

Can you be more specific?

[VioletLake]

33. I want answers, dammit!

Straight answers! ;)

[ulysses]

35. the division

between progressives and centrists, oh impatient one. :D

[VioletLake]

36. Who said that you were responsible for

the division between progressives and centrists? Who do they think you are, Karl Rove?

:shrug:

[ulysses]

37. no one.

It's a topic to be addressed.

[VioletLake]

38. We have a liberal form of government.

We have a liberal society.

In reality, we're all liberal, (except for the fascists).

[ulysses]

39. tell it to Al From. n/t

[VioletLake]

40. Hey, Al From!

We have a liberal form of government.

We have a liberal society.

In reality, we're all liberal, (except for the fascists).

Beeatch.

(How was that?)B-)

[ulysses]

41. great!

If he reads DU then I'm a hat, but that was great nonetheless. :D

[VioletLake]

42. He should read DU.

And borrow some of our ideas. The RW does it.

Add: Actually, the RW just steals them and twists them to suit their nefarious aims.

[DaveinMD]

30. no problem with this thread

my only problem is with some other people and their treatment of some Democrats. I suspect we actually agree on most things.

[MSgt213]

11. Its not wrong unless you are a republican

[StephanieMarie]

12. You forgot "A Living Wage"

At minimum wage, a worker would have to work over 80 hours per week to afford an AVERAGE two bedroom apartment in this country. That's just WRONG! Where is Clinton when we need him?

[ulysses]

15. I did.

Good point!

[DaveinMD]

18. I think

that's part of economic justice. We need a living wage, not a minimum wage.

[Selatius]

14. I smell flame bait

Most people who are on the left in the US support these issues. It's just that when it comes to things such as gay marriage and abortion, we are divided, and that's what the Repubs use.

[ulysses]

16. no, not flame bait.

And I include gay marriage and reproductive choice under civil rights.

[GetTheRightVote]

19. They are great goals but need real & strong people to back them up

:kick:

[VioletLake]

20. Why do you ask?

Is someone trying to convince you that it's wrong? I hope not. :(

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Clarence Thomas Would Probalby Support Every Thing On Your List...

I doubt Clarence would say he's for

war


economic and judicial unfairness

lack of support for the most vulnerable among us

the infringement of human and and civil rights

decimation of the environment...

but I am sure you and Clarence have different notions of what those things mean....

[ulysses]

22. words mean things.

Our friend Clarence might well indeed wish to pass himself off as a progressive on these topics, but...he isn't.

You know what I mean. I know what I mean. Clarence knows what I mean.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. of course...

but you are referring to broad goals not specific policies....

[ulysses]

24. the goals give birth to the policies.

Details, devils, etc. If the language has any meaning left at all, Clarence doesn't get to appropriate the goals I outlined without being laughed out of the court.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. take one

"support for the most vulnerable among us"

That means different things to different people...


RFK said what a struggling person wants most is a job and some hope...

[ulysses]

29. I don't think that, to people who genuinely mean it,

"support for the most vulnerable among us" means such a divergent set of things.

[youngred]

28. silly pinko

hegemony, greed, social darwinism, manifest destiny, racial and cultural purity and overuse of natural resources are the true goals of this country.

Were you asleep during the indoctrination sessions? Now go buy something you can't afford to atone for your idealism

[ulysses]

34. *whimper*

*slink*

;-)