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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:40 PM
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One Senator Must Stand Up....Just One! There's NO DOWNSIDE to this..
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 01:26 PM by KoKo01
for us. Bush will be Inaugurated because the Republicans in the House and Senate will over-ride the Protest of the Electoral College by the courageous House Black Caucus and the One Senator. But, the media will be forced to cover it and the exposure of the "Lock Step" mentality of the Republicans will be exposed to every American who is now asleep or who has given up any thought of Us Democrats every standing up against the Republican MACHINE which is working 24/7 to destroy our Constitution, Bill of Rights, Legal and Financial integrity.

If One Senator does NOT stand up, then we are on the fast slope downward to the depths of Fascism.

This is our LAST CHANCE....I can't see any other way we can hope to have
fair Elections in this country ever again. Our last opportunity to rise up "PEACEFULLY" will be gone. I don't want to think of the Civil War which will loom and the years of internal suffering...if ONE BRAVE SENATOR doesn't stand up.. Our country is in Crisis... This is the time to do it. :shrug:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:46 PM
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1. I nominate Ernest Hollings
He's always been a bit of a loose cannon, and although a cultural conservative, he might be persuaded.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:54 PM
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5. Too bad he retired
and his seat was taken by somebody else...like Jim DeMint. Hollings can't do anything.
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Pegleg Thd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:48 PM
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2. Then we had better prepare
for the slide into the depths fascism. I doubt that there is One Senator who has the GUTS to stand up for us. They all suck the teats of the corporate whores. To be accurate WE ARE SCREWED AGAIN!!!!:hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:50 PM
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3. Byrd might do it...
n/t
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Samurai_Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:26 PM
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8. He didn't do it last time...
why does anyone think a Senator is going to stand up this time, when the 2000 stolen election was much more blatant than this one, and not one senator stood up with the Black Caucus?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:14 PM
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36. Because NO ONE LIVES FOREVER
It's about time for the courtly Senator to really nail down his legacy, and put his youthful, serious errors, for which he has atoned, behind him once and for all.

And back then, you must remember, the weecowboy idiot son of an asshole promised to be a UNITER, not a DIVIDER. He PROMISED. He SWORE he would reach across the aisle, but the only thing he did was reach across and bitch slap us.

This time around, we have a record, a horrible record, to look at and consider.

I think Byrd might just surprise us. He's delighted me during the past four hellish years--that old man has some huge balls, and more guts than any ten of his peers in his old age.
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:52 PM
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4. how about Sen. Kerry ?
could JK stand up or does it have to be one of Ohio's senators ?

-Max
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:59 PM
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6. What about Tom Harkin, he seems like a good choice.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:06 PM
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38. Kerry won't do it, and neither will Evan Bayh
We will see a repeat of the shameful episode in 2000, as shown on Fahrenheit 911, of all those Democratic Senators sitting on their asses refusing to join the Congressional Black Caucus in challenging the Florida slate of electors.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:07 PM
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51. Kerry won't even be in town
I believe he's scheduled to be overseas...I read that on another post here in DU.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:10 PM
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7. I don't understand how...
"If One Senator does NOT stand up, then we are on the fast slope downward to the depths of Fascism. "

Wtf? One senator stops us from going on the fast slope to Fascism? I don't think so. The protest is symbolic and positive - but would have no effect on any sloping, IMO.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:13 PM
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12. It would show there's a difference in the Dems & Repugs:Balls! for Dems
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 03:15 PM by KoKo01
and, that's why it's the most important date. If our Party doesn't stand up now...it will lose much of it's activist base which has been strong and growing since "Selection 2000."

This is the "Fish or Cut Bait" time, for us. Time to show there's a difference in the two parties and not that both are tied equally to their Corporate Lobbyist Constiuencies.

It's the time to stand up for the citizens of this country whose vote has been corrupted three times now...and maybe even longer than that.

We can't wait any longer. It won't ruin anyone's career...but it will gain us a foothold on this long climb back to respectability in the eyes of the American Public.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:13 AM
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47. If the Dems has any "balls"
we would know it by now. One more stolen election will go out with a whimper of complacency.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:16 PM
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13. Byrd is the one who can do it. n/t
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:07 PM
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52. I agree...he's old enough to have the cobbles. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:11 PM
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15. Don't introduce reason
into this debate. People would far rather continue hysterically hyperventilating. Of course you're correct. One Senator standing against the certification would accomplish nothing. Far more likely he or she would be derided as a nut than that the attention of the public would turn towards issues of fraud.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:16 PM
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9. I think Boxer is our best bet
Her winning margin plus strong BLUE state backing .

I think she can make this stand w/o hurting her
career.

Some of the others mentioned don't have such
luxury in making a stand , it would be career ending
for them .
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:09 PM
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11. Boxer or Murray
Both were re-elected this last election and come from safe dem states. Also, both seem to have the smarts and the moxy to stand up to AWOL. This is an important statement and I hope that one of our dem senators will have to courage to stand up to this travesty.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:18 PM
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10. Then contact them NOW and ask them to stand up!
1. Go to http://thedeanpeople.com

2. Click on Here's What to Do - Now!

3. Scroll down the page until you see this section:

"Faxing to them would be the next best. Either local or DC office
should do, but the DC staff is usually more important to the boss. You can
use our Action Alert page to send a pre-made fax that you can
customize."

4. Click on the Action Alert Page link and follow the instructions from there.

It's that easy!

I have done this several times now using different zip codes from various places where I've lived. I used zips from AL, KY and TN. I think that I'll put in zips at random and just send emails left, right and sideways!

Come on, guys! Let's get those faxes going!!!
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:19 PM
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14. It should be Byrd's last, great act in the senate.
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 03:40 PM by John_H
From my letter to him:

Senator, nobody understands better than you that the Senate is the framers' final breastwork that defends the people from unchecked executive power. Nobody knows better than you how many crucial times in our history that the breastwork, manned by Senators and Senators alone, has held the line.

In this instance, only the senate has the constitutional power to protect the most fundamental process of our democracy and the cornerstone of the empowerment of the people--the fair and transparent election of our leaders...
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:17 PM
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16. If none did it in 2000 when our candidate actually won the popular
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 04:20 PM by WI_DEM
vote and most people believe would have won if a statewide recount of Florida had been conducted (as it is he "lost" Fl by only a few hundred), why does anybody think any Senator will stand up this time when our candidate lost the popular vote by about three million and is down by over 100,000 in Ohio? It is doubtful that even a hand recount of Ohio ballots would give the state to Kerry.

Also, in 2000 the country was "glued" to their sets with the election controversy and millions of people were convinced the election had been stolen from us by the Supreme Court and the GOP. This time, because our candidate has withdrawn and not spoken out nobody except the most extreme partisans such as us on this board seem to care about election fraud or anything else. Nobody in the "mainstream" press is really covering this.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:38 PM
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17. Electoral College Challenge
There is so much political cowardice in Washington now.

There will not be ONE Senator to sign on to the challenge, not one. And that makes me sad.

The Congressional Black Caucus IS the conscience of the Democratic Party.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:36 PM
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18. There Must Be One Senator....I think there will be. I'm a hopeless
dreamer...but I hope it will be Robert Byrd.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:41 PM
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20. Nope
I don't think there will be a single Senator to sign on. They didn't do it in 2000, and they won't do it now.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:14 PM
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23. It's very different now. We "Activists" have had four years...and Byrd
stood up for us about the "Iraq Invasion." My hopes are pinned on him..I think he has the "old school" courage to do this because he want to defend our Constitution.

Don't come back at me that Byrd is a Racist...and stuff..because we here have "been there and done that" with this 80 something year old gentleman...:-(
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:42 PM
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33. Byrd
You're right, Robert Byrd has stood up on a lot of issues.

It's just that I don't think that even he will sign on. I don't think that any Senator has the will to sign on, for fear of being called a lefty partisan crackpot.

Again, there's a lot of political cowardice out there. Which makes me especially proud that the Congressional Black Caucus will stand up and speak truth to power. To me, they are the ONLY conscience of our party right now.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:39 PM
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19. Jeffords. Obama. Chaffee. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:10 PM
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21. It would kill their political careers though, Pepperbelly. We still live
under the "Clinton DID IT" syndrome.....what young or middle age Dem would want to "rock the boat." Particularly "OBAMA" THE HOPE of a Bridge to the NEW TOMORROW for Democrats?? :shrug:'

This is a time when the "elegant elders" need to come forward. That's either Bobby Byrd or Ted Kennedy...the ELEGANT ELDERS hope for legacy in the History Books.

OBAMA is going to MAKE HISTORY...it's not his time to be the ONE who stands up...he's got to "cool it" for awhile...:shrug:
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:11 PM
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22. It wouldn't hurt either Jeffords or Chaffee, though. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:21 PM
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25. Maybe Jeffords would do it...but he tried to do his best for us when he
switched parties...and I would think from his perspective he didn't achieve much because Daschle/Reid gave the party away by giving Chimp every appointment he wanted even though he didn't win in 2000.

Jeffords thought his switch which cost him..(being a member of the Trent Lott "Senate Barborshop Singers for life) would be a huge "STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLE" but that damned Daschle/Reid were already in the "Lobbyists Pockets" so his change meant very little in the end...but lost him all his friends. Jeffords is a hero...who wasn't put into the Dem fold in My Humble Opinion.

Chafee...I don't know enough about...he plays his cards well and "stays under the radar."

I see Jeffords as the person who put career on the line...and it didn'twork for him because Dems caved and supported every Chimp Appointment...:shrug:

Pepper.... I know you are more a "Centrist Dem" than I am...so just giving you my view...
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:23 PM
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26. there ain't no label for what I am ...
:D
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:10 PM
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29. Yeah...you've always been a "weird bird" but glad to have you...because
you "stir the pot with "Pepper!" Without seasonings where is the stew?

:D
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:20 PM
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24. Sorry
No one will stand for us.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:33 PM
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27. If I take what I've seen from our Democratic Leadership in the last 4 yrs.
I would agree with you. But, knowing what I know of how we on the "Grassroots" level of the Dem Party including Greens, Naders and whateveres...I would humbly beg to DISAGREE STRONGLY WITH WHAT YOU SAY!

THIS is the TIME for the Calling in...THE RANKS must PUT UP...if they don't then we have a NEW CIVIL WAR IN AMERICA.

It will be NOT about Slavery and Blacks/African Americans...but about DEMOCRATIC IDEALS!
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. We will all find out together.
I applaud your earnestness.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 09:34 AM
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43. 100% correct
not a sinbgle senator will risk their cushy job by standing up.
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marieaey Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:10 PM
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30. Anyone think of a web site with signs like the I'm Sorry site
Do you think anyone would pay attention if everyone scrawled out a message asking for a Senator to stand up and posted them all on the net?

Can DU do that?

Can we start a thread here and keep it going?

Just a thought.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:13 PM
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31. Do you mean that "Brenda Someone" saying: "I'm Sorry So Sorry...that
I Was Such a FOOL!" :D
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marieaey Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:19 PM
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32. How did you get in here? lol
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 08:20 PM by marieaey
I think that's the one.
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:46 PM
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34. KoKo01...Just one? Why not all of them? Why the hell not?
I can't believe we actually have to beg for just one. What the hell is wrong with these democrats?

I use to love what this party stood for. That's why I became a Democrat. They stood for People, Women's rights, Civil rights, "The Little Guy". First major party to have a Woman for VP, a Jewish man for VP, 1st Catholic president. Equal opportunity.

What do they stand for now? I have no idea anymore. All I see now from them, is "let's all get along, let's be nice" Why? It sure isn't winning them any elections, is it?

People love fighters, they stand for something. When I look at the democratic leadership now, they have no fight left in them & it makes me sad.

I've endured 3 years watching them be quiet about 9/11 when they should have brought this incompetent bastard bush, up for impeachment. But no, lets be "nice"

Well nice guys finish last. And my relationship with this party is about finished too, depending on what they do on January 6th.

Either they stand together & fight or they crawl off with their tails between their legs. It's that simple. You know republicans would never put up with this sh**. Why do we? They would be screaming their heads off in unison.

Cheney tells Leahy to go "f*** off" Leahy responds like a wimp. I'm tired of this. I want the fight back in my party, I want them to stand for something. Damn it.








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MileHiStealth Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:52 PM
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35. Hell , if I was a Senator, I'd do it ...
just to reserve MY place in the history books !!!
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:00 PM
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37. Yes, There IS a downside, for a senator that does that.
Outside of DU and similar sites, everyone else believes that W won the election. Even some DUers believe he did too, but to post such a thread is to be heavily flamed. Outside of DU the idea that the election was stolen is considered a kook conspiracy theory. The Party leadership probably thinks that if a senator objects and claims the election was stolen then the Party as a whole will be associated with internet kooks. They aren't going to want that so they are going to be applying a lot of pressure to senators to sit down and shut up. Especially since objecting won't stop W anyway.

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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 09:27 AM
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42. Sad, but true. No guts, no glory and no bad press. n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:58 AM
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39. obama? ...i think byrd will stand up!
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 01:00 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 09:35 AM
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44. No way will Obama stand up. Doing so would end any possibility of having
a job ever again in his life. His career would be over, both as a politician and as an attorney.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:10 AM
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40. Are you calling/emailing your senators?
Do it everyday. Bug the crap out of them. It's the only way they will realize THEIR job is in jeopardy if they don't listen to what the public wants! And if they don't have the cahoonies to do it, then shame on them!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 09:15 AM
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41. Evan Bayh's office has yet to respond
which is the same thing they did four years ago when the Congressional Black Caucus tried to challenge the Florida electors.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:01 AM
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45. It all depends
on whether all the Dems honor the request from higher up to hold their peace.

Julie
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:05 AM
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46. I hope I'm wrong but I predict....
no Senator will stand up. Sad!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:16 AM
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48. It has to be someone bullet proof -
in the figurative sense - someone the chimp and press couldn't destroy. Byrd is perfect. He's in his last term. He's been around forever. He's respected. He lives and breathes the Constitution. If he's unwilling to do it, the concept of American Democracy is dead.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:44 AM
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49. Face it: we're doomed.
The dems have indicate they are ok with facism and the dismantling of the republic in return for their campaign contributions and other corruptions too numerous and mysterious to know.

They are now the party of "don't rock the repug boat". I have no faith in them whatsoever.

Don't get me wrong, I would be delighted and inspired to be proven incorrect.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 01:59 PM
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50. If they are spineless, That's it. I'm finished with the Democrats.
I will work for secession full time.
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:11 PM
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53. Why would any Senator go out on a limb for Kerry if Kerry won't...
stand up for himself? He has already sent his lawyer out to say that Kerry doesn't believe there was fraud, so why would any rational Senator take on Kerry and the Repukes? It makes no sense and I'm sorry, but I can't see any proof. If there is any, someone better come up with it real quick and it better be solid and hold up with the average voter no matter what party they belong to or who they voted for, AND it better be easily understood by the average person reading about it.
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lynintenn Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:12 PM
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54. I do that everywhere I go
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