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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:36 AM
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I don't believe I need to make a comment..just read it.
JEFF JACOBY
More liberal hate speech
By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | December 30, 2004

AS IT DOES every year, the empty folder I labeled "Liberal Hate Speech" in January had grown to a thick sheaf of clippings by December. 2004 wasn't even a week old when two videos explicitly comparing George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler appeared on the website of the liberal group MoveOn. They were entries in a contest soliciting "really creative ads" that would help voters "understand the truth about George Bush."

So began another year in which liberals engaged in, and mostly got away with, grotesque slanders and slurs about conservatives -- the kind of poisonous rhetoric that should be beyond the pale in a decent society. Once again, too many on the left -- not crackpots from the fringe, but mainstream players and pundits -- chose to demonize conservatives as monsters rather than debate their ideas on the merits.

As in years past, Republicans were almost routinely associated with Nazi Germany. Former Vice President Al Gore referred to GOP activists as "brown shirts." Newsday columnist Hugh Pearson likened the Republican National Convention to the "Nazi rallies held in Germany during the reign of Adolf Hitler." Linda Ronstadt said that the Republican victory on Election Day meant "we've got a new bunch of Hitlers." Chuck Turner, a Boston city councilor, smeared National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice as "a tool of white leaders," like "a Jewish person working for Hitler."

Such Nazi labeling is no less disgusting when it comes from Republicans, of course. According to Bob Woodward, Secretary of State Colin Powell described Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith as running a separate government out of his "Gestapo office." Commentator Ralph Peters, writing in the New York Post, accused Democrat Howard Dean of using the tactics of Hitler and Goebbels to silence his competitors. Too many conservatives and libertarians refer to antismoking extremists as "tobacco Nazis," or to the humorless critics of fast food as "food Nazis." Whether it comes from the right or the left, language like that is vile.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/12/30/more_liberal_hate_speech/
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:40 AM
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1. Ah, Linda Ronstadt. I think of her when I think of Dem leaders.
Don't you?
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:16 PM
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23. Well... yeah... and an African trip
with Jerry Brown

But I guess he's not so much of a Dem Leader anymore, being the out-going mayor of Oakland

He'll always be a hero to me, though, visionary that he was in the 1970's and especially after his work with Mother Theresa. I worked on his presidential campaign in 1992 and have a lot of respect for the guy.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:41 AM
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2. He left out feminazi..
n/t
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:45 AM
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7. yeah, Rush Limbaugh has only been using that for over 10 years now
I guess "hate speech" only counts when it comes from liberals in Jacoby's mind. :eyes:
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:00 AM
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12. Lets not forget those GOP icons like
Pat Robertson rallying millions to lobby God for the deaths of liberal Supreme Court justices – recommending prayers for coronaries and cancer; the gluttonous Jerry Falwell calling for the deaths of our enemies; and the chaste Jimmy Swaggart calling for the deaths of gays.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:07 AM
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14. IOKIYAR
It's OK If You're A Republican.

Don't forget that.
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OnlyInAmerica Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:08 AM
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15. No, he said...
"Such Nazi labeling is no less disgusting when it comes from Republicans, of course."

I think it's over-the-top rhetoric regardless of where it originates.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:55 AM
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19. Yes but the title of the article is "More Liberal Hate Speech"
He decided to single out liberals, if he really was concerned with being "fair and balanced" he could have pointed out all of the hateful comments from the right- some of them much more over the top than anything he quoted from the left.

:nopity:
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OnlyInAmerica Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:03 PM
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20. I agree
But given his political leanings, as demonstrated in his previous writings, I'm inclined to give him credit for even mentioning the Republican side at all.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:19 PM
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22. heh, good point
n/t
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:41 AM
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3. I'll make a comment.
The Nazi reference when applied to the current administration and congressional leadership is appropriate. The similarities between the methods used by the third Reich and neo-cons are startling.

Do I hate Nazi's? You bet I do.

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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:08 AM
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16. I hate Nazis more.
c'mon, learn to pluralize, bro. Makes you look like a Freeper.

(I kid because I love. Honest.)
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:43 AM
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4. Jeff Jacoby is such a hack
Bleh, can't stand him. I work near the Globe, maybe I should walk over there and give him a piece of my mind, heh :)
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:43 AM
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5. I didn't have a problem with most of what was said..Even politicans
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 11:06 AM by Prodemsouth
in Germany compared Bush to Hitler.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:44 AM
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6. Reply to Jeff
"If the shoe fits...."
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:45 AM
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8. If he's so goddamned upset about it
Why doesn't he start his reformation by contacting that Nazi Bitch Ann The Man Coulter?

Fuck Jacoby. He's no different than any of the rest of those NAZI sumbitches.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:45 AM
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9. What plutocrat(s) own the Boston Globe? (nt)
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:46 AM by w4rma
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:51 AM
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10. Silly Jeff,
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. It is not the language that is vile, it is Bushco that is vile. Also, appeasement like this article is vile.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:31 PM
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24. Peace in our time.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:59 AM
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11. *yawn*
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:05 AM
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13. The comparison or association of conservatives to Nazis dates back
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 11:12 AM by Prodemsouth
to the pre WW2 era when many conservative leaders both here and in Europe backed fascist as way to stop Communism. Some believe that Democracy would not last- Goggle General Smedley Butler and you will find that our own Government was nearly overthrown by fascist with strong business ties or those that were very wealthy. Todays Conservatives think wow I can't be a NAZI- that stands for national socialist.. Duh, I am not a socialist. What the idiots don't realize is Hitler was merging state and business power- thats what they meant by socialist in other words Fascism ( The NAZI "socialism" was actually fascism not like the Democratic Socialist in Europe and to a much lesser extent those in the USA).
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:10 AM
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17. It's amazing how many of the dolts "think" that because
the Nazi's used the word 'socialist' in the party name, that proves they they were socialists.

I always explain to them that they call themselves smart too but that doesn't make it so either. :evilgrin:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:54 AM
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18. Well, how can we debate when their representatives (ala Mann Coulter)
demonize us, and have done so for far longer?

I will debate and be civilized with Republicans on a local level. They come across differently than the callous jerkwads in power. And, let's face it, if it's way too easy for many to readily parallel a politician as being an extremist fascist dictator with an ugly moustache, then something truly IS wrong.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:06 PM
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21. Bah. It was conservatives who pioneered the use of hate speech,
in talk radio and "the news." I have no pity.
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