Some whining from the New York Post - Podhoretz

[camby]

IT'S ABOUT THE TRAGEDY - NOT MORE BUSH-BASHING

By JOHN PODHORETZ




December 31, 2004 --

THE political and ideological exploitation of perhaps the worst natural disaster in all our lifetimes is almost beyond belief — were it not for the fact that nothing these days is beyond belief.

Even as tears spring into the most hard-hearted person's eyes at both the unimaginable scope of the tragedy and at the wrenching individual stories of loss, opinion leaders just can't help themselves.

They are using this cataclysm as little more than cheap debate fodder about the nature and character of the United States, its president and its citizens.

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SHEEESH.... You can just feel the self righteousness dripping from every word. HOW CAN WE BE SO HEARTLESS!!!! HOW CAN WE POLITICIZE THIS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS!!!! HOW CAN WE LIVE WITH OURSELVES!!!!
That sound you hear is me whipping myself in shame and humiliation....NOT!!!!

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[camby]

7. oops, sorry - I think I fixedit..

[Moderator]

18. Thank you

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[Cha]

2. As usual the whore post overlooks the most

important facts..bush is pouring our money down the Iraqi pit and was tossing the tsunami victims..$35 measley million until he was shamed into "pledging" more..when I see they have gotten it ..then I will believe it.

Am I right on this?

[KC21304]

5. You mean a measley $15 million. nt

[StClone]

8. Right

It was the complaining and attention that got the additional 20 million loan and then the bigger aid package. Still though the wealth amassed by the riches American dickweeds is sickening compared to the amount of disaster relief. We need more bitching and complaining!

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[Stephanie]

13. Why so hostile?

Nothing was directed at you, unless you are a rich american dickweed yourself, which I doubt.

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[StClone]

19. Here is the situation

I donate all I can however if the rich would donate all they could they wouldn't be rich. I hope you live up to your high standards.

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[StClone]

15. Thanks for the Challenge

When I become a rich DickWeed I'll donate even more.

[Skittles]

20. plenty of us have donated, degeezer

where do you get off assuming we haven't? Democrats are truly compassionate, unlike asshole repuglicans

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[Skittles]

23. I donated plenty to Doctors Without Borders

and NO, our government and its piece of shit phony "president" is not doing enough - as usual, the g.d. GOP has embarrassed us all.

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[snippy]

27. Keep in mind that it would be unlike Bush for him to honor his promises.

FIRE THE LIAR!

[Skittles]

30. NO NO NO

the "just a start" was a later PR coverup. And yes, 300 million SUCKS considering the amount of money we are spending to invade, bomb and occupy a country based on a PACK OF LIES. What we give in the end does not make up for the fact that as usual, that thieving incompetent bastard was AWOL again, just like he was in the Guard AND on 9/11.

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[Cats Against Frist]

34. "W" eh?

Oh, and in case you didn't know "W" is not interchangeable with "your own country." That rat fucker isn't part of my country. I don't hate my country at all, only this crooked administration that has captured the imagination of the dull and delusional freepers.

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[Skittles]

37. NO HE'S NOT DULY ELECTED

I will NEVER see that thieving, lying incompetent bastard as my PRESIDENT; NOT NOW, NOT EVER.

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[Skittles]

41. I DON'T CARE MUCH FOR STOLEN ELECTIONS

AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU

[ChiciB1]

44. KICK, KICK, KICK, KICK!!!

Hit the nail on the head. The Idiot is a LIAR, A CHEAT & A MURDERER!

I will never, never, never acknowledge him as MY President. He's a FRAUD!!!!!!

[Skittles]

36. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHY DO I HATE AMERICA? Is THAT what you are freaking asking??????? WHY DO YOU SUPPORT GWB, the WORST "PRESIDENT" EVER??????????????????????????

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[Skittles]

42. that bastard did NOT "win" the election

evidence of voter fraud and voter suppression are overwhelming and you would know it if the corporate media cared to get of its lazy ass and investigate.

[ChiciB1]

45. I'm Afraid I Think You're Delusional

about WHO REALLY WON!!!

Fraud is as Fraud Does!

[Skittles]

47. AND

he thinks his beloved "W" responded "appropriately" to the tsunami disaster. Freaking PATHETIC.

[ChiciB1]

48. Looks Like He's GONE!

Okey Dokey! Fine with me, I was beginning to wonder!

[Skittles]

49. maybe someone turned on the lights

:D

[Cats Against Frist]

33. Aren't Republicans supposed to be against "foreign aid," anyway?

I can't figure out the motivation -- still, a billion is truly pennies compared to the waste that we've doled out on Iraq.

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[Skittles]

43. please DO tell us what we have gotten for the money spent

besides 1300+ dead soldiers and 100,000+ dead Iraqi civilians

[bread_and_roses]

29. Private charity does NOT absolve the Government

from its' obligations as a responsible member of the world community.

This is a typical RW tactic - act as if all social responsibility rests with the individual citizen, not with bodies created to express their common will -ie, government. Half the working people in your community can't feed their families on their wages? Don't change the wage structure, that's communism - just increase private donations to Food Banks! Right.

Unfortunately, the responsibility of the State to be a responsible member of the world community is a notion foreign to the puppet occupying the WH.

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[gratuitous]

10. You mean a measly $100K

Which the corrupt Bush administration hopes you forget entirely.

The reason, dear Mr. Podhoretz, that we have politicized this tragedy is because we're following the sterling example set by our nation's leaders, who have politicized everything from caring for your children to undisputed 35 year old war records.

But I suspect what really sticks in the neocon craw is that by adopting their tactics, we've actually effected a positive difference, as the initial 100 grand has increased to a more respectable promise of $350 million in aid. Almost entirely due to the public shaming of the niggardly Bush administration, which always finds billions for its imperial aggression, but squeals like the piggies they are when they have the pledge millions to do the right thing.

The next step is to make sure the promises become reality. This administration has a long track record of talking big but acting small.

[hatrack]

3. But WH aides using the opportunity to bash Clinton, that's OK

OK, now I understand! :eyes:

[camby]

9. Exactly my point - I'd love to dig up some of his writings

from '93-'00 to see how he supported Clinton during various humanitarian crises that occurred during those years.

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. The usual,stale HS. Tell this guy to send up a flare ...

if he ever has something either new or interesting to say.

[Guaranteed]

6. Yeah, it doesn't matter how much we help them...

It's all about the TRAGEDY (sob), and what we see on CNN.

It's just so, so sad. Those poor brown people (sob).

[Stephanie]

12. these are the talking points - David Brooks used the same line

On the Newshour he turned it around - those who were asking WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS during the epic disaster were the ones politicizing the event and taking their eyes off of the tragedy. It was shameless spin. Horrible. I hope David "Teeny Little Girly Hands" Brooks has a natural disaster in his own back yard this year.

[camby]

14. I'm beginning to see the light....

When attacked, take the very attacks that are leveled against you and turn them against your attackers. Yesterday on Hannity's show his stand-in was wailing about WHERE IS GEORGE SOROS? WHERE IS STREISAND? WHY DON'T YOU HEAR ABOUT WHAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE CONTRIBUTING? WHY IS EVERYBODY PICKING ON BUSH???

[Stephanie]

16. Right - criticizing the president for doing NOTHING = POLITICIZING tragedy

"How DARE you criticize the president when all of those people are suffering?" That's the line. Simple, no?

Just the same as "How DARE you criticize the president during this time of war. How DARE you criticize the president during this terrorist threat."

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[ebayfool]

24. Gotta stay on those talking points, eh? n/t

[Kahuna]

26. What they do, they do in private. As they are private citizens , and

not the leader of the free world. They are not expected to be in a leadership position as far as addressing the nation in a call to assistance. THAT is the president's job. Got it now?

[Cats Against Frist]

32. The Classic Republican "Style-Over-Substance" Fallacy

Again -- this is what they do. They don't respond to an attack by making an argument, they attack the timing, tone or delivery of the message -- in this case, the timing.

It's nothing but more totalitarian bullshit, messing with the language and creating more false binaries -- and creating noise to cover up the real issues. Pathetic fuckers.

[ChiciB1]

46. Degeezer.....

Well, what???? I wonder if you've really paid attention to what is happening in Iraq. Just think about the piles and piles of money, down a rat hole. Then try and think about all the Iraqis who really DON'T want us there!

We keep being told, when this happens, this will happen. When something else happens, then something else will happen. And you know, NOTHING has turned out as THEY have said YET!!

[Geek_Girl]

50. I Really Don't Give a Shit what that RW Media Has To Say

or Bush's brainwashed followers for that matter. America is becoming more and more irrelevant in the Global scheme and these xenophobic clueless morons have no concept of international diplomacy.

There dumb as dirt and the world knows it and almost half of the US knows it as well.

Any freepers or dumb asses that read this enjoy your own private world in Dumbfuckistan because mentally thats were you live.