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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:46 AM
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Poll question: Why did Kerry lose? Election fraud, or not enough votes?
In your opinion, did Kerry lose because of election fraud, or because not enough people cast their votes for him?
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MissBrooks Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:47 AM
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1. Kerry said...
Kerry said there was not election fraud. Why did he say that?
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:53 AM
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2. I don't know, there has never been an election without some fraud
And in this universe never will be.

What we need to do is minimize the fraud and opportunities for fraud as much as possible. There is a lot of work to do. I'm not asking in this poll whether there was some fraud or not. Of course there was some fraud. What I'm asking is did the fraud decide the election.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:00 AM
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4. he'll get richer under Bush
if he lives through it.
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:07 AM
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5. Ridiculous...
power is far more important for a man who has all the money he could want...if he had a case at all, he would use it...for Kerry it was always about power, pure and simple.
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MissBrooks Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:11 AM
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8. He needs more $$$?
I doubt that.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 12:55 AM
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3. I don't have enough proof to answer either one
I do know that if Kerry had run a better campaign, the election wouldn't have been close enough to steal.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:10 AM
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7. You make the best point - the election was close enough to steal
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 01:14 AM by DFLforever
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:08 AM
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6. In my opinion, there's no way to really know
one way or the other and neither Kerry, nor the Democratic party seem very interested in finding out.

I think it's very possible that he did actually get more votes, but unless it can be truly documented, it's a moot point.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:15 AM
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9. why? because his handlers
ran the dumbest campaign in history. they got their asses handed to them at every dam turn,the democrats didn`t have a clue about what was happening
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:30 AM
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10. The Kerry campaign may have underestimated the fraud potential
and were left wondering themselves was it campaign tactics or the election system. It wouldn't be the first thing that was underestimated in the campaign.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:37 AM
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12. If they underestimated the fraud potential
after what the chimpistas did in Florida in 2000, then they are very very stupid.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:31 AM
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11. I don't see how a Bush win was mathematically possible
There's no way any Gore or Nader voters from 2000 voted for this piece of shit in 2004. And Bush was losing support from nearly every subsection of the Conservative vote. The numbers just don't add up for a legitimate victory for the Chimp.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 01:38 AM
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13. agree
I voted "fraud" but the campaign could have been better. The candidate was superb (debates, convention, rallies, policies), but the campaign was clueless, particularly in response to Rove. Why the HELL didn't they have an anti-Swiftie ad in the can BEFORE August, for example? Kerry has been taking shit from these clowns for thirty years!
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