Cuban_Liberal
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:37 PM
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If Dr. Dean wins in NH, will he become 'The Comeback Kid'? |
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Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 12:43 PM by Cuban_Liberal
As Mark Twain wrote, "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated", and I believe the same to be true about Dr. Dean's candidacy. Although his campaign took one on the chin last night, he remained in first place in the NH polls, by last count, and he is clearly not 'down' about his showing. He enters the race today with a bank full of money and hordes of enthusiastic volunteers.
I believe it is far too soon to count Dr. Dean out for other reasons, as well: his heretofore next-closest opponent, Gen. Clark, is now facing two energized candidates from Iowa--- Sens. Kerry and Edwards--- who I believe will begin to significantly undercut Clark's largely-unchallenged position as the 'alternative to Dean'.
I see a win by Dr. Dean in NH as at least a 50/50 possibility for the above reasons and ask, then, the following: if he wins NH, can he claim the titile "The Comeback Kid"?
Your civil thoughts are encouraged.
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Edit: puncuation
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:40 PM
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1. i guess that would be the case since he is behind according |
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Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 12:47 PM by cthrumatrix
to the press
Dean and his team will do just fine in NH
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:45 PM
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2. actually, I think this race will come down to Kerry vs. Clark . . . |
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for the simple reason that, in 2004, the American people will not elect a president with no foreign policy or military experience . . . Democrats understand this, and will therefore not nominate someone without the requisite experience . . . Kerry and Clark are the two candidates who can take Bush on in these areas, and one of them will be the eventual nominee, imo . . .
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:46 PM
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3. No, he'll be delaying his political demise the following two weeks. |
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:48 PM
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I'm interested in hearing a bit more detailed explanation of your comment.
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:48 PM
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5. people can't seem to look at Iowa and "move on"...it's 50 states |
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let's see what the NH voters have to say...
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:50 PM
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I owa was pleasant for my guy, but I don't think we should make it into some sort of national referendum. We'd be fools to read too much into it.
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:56 PM
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7. More like the "Survivor" |
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He pretty much has to win to live. I don't think anyone who knows what they are talking about is putting nails in his coffin, but if he loses NH, well, it's not looking good.
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:57 PM
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8. He will take 3rd possibly fourth in NH. |
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Then he has two down & 48 more to go.
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:58 PM
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9. I'm not making predictions |
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I honestly don't know what will happen, other than Kerry just became a player. Big time.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:00 PM
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11. Kerry must win...or else his "mo" is over. |
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same goofy talk we see on Dean
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Tue Jan-20-04 12:58 PM
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10. You'd be surprised how many 'nails' types are spouting nonsense. |
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The first few pages are filled with threads about how Dean should drop out now, etc. . Really silly analyses, frankly.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:01 PM
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12. the paid "shills" think they make a difference.... message to the |
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shills....it's 50 states.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:01 PM
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13. I never said he should drop out... |
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I just said he is not going to fare well in NH.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:04 PM
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16. Could you define 'not going to fare well'? |
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:15 PM
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Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 01:18 PM by Democrats unite
3rd or 4th place does not fare well.
Taken from Websters on line dictionary
Main Entry: 1fare Pronunciation: 'far, 'fer Function: intransitive verb Inflected Form(s): fared; far·ing Etymology: Middle English faren, from Old English faran; akin to Old High German faran to go, Latin portare to carry, Greek peran to pass through, poros passage, journey Date: before 12th century
Main Entry: 1well Pronunciation: 'wel Function: noun Etymology: Middle English welle, from Old English welle; akin to Old English weallan to bubble, boil, Old High German wella wave, Lithuanian vilnis Date: before 12th century 1 a : an issue of water from the earth : a pool fed by a spring b : SOURCE, ORIGIN 2 a : a pit or hole sunk into the earth to reach a supply of water b : a shaft or hole sunk to obtain oil, brine, or gas 3 a : an enclosure in the middle of a ship's hold to protect from damage and facilitate the inspection of the pumps b : a compartment in the hold of a fishing boat in which fish are kept alive 4 : an open space extending vertically through floors of a structure 5 : a space having a construction or shape suggesting a well for water 6 a : something resembling a well in being damp, cool, deep, or dark b : a deep vertical hole c : a source from which something may be drawn as needed 7 : a pronounced minimum of a variable in physics <a potential well>
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Understand?
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:28 PM
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'Not going to fare well' could mean anything, without some context. Will he win a narrow victory, instead of one by a comfortable margin? Second place in a squeaker? 3rd? 4th? Will he be blown out?
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:03 PM
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NH is very important for Dean. If Kerry wins, he's got the big mo'. The media will be all over Dean as the big loser, all hype, yada yada. There are too many undecideds in a crowded field to take anything for granted.
I'm hoping for a second place finish for Clark in NH, because he is all about the south/west and Super Tuesday. But Dean was supposed to be the front runner, the MAN. He can't lose both Iowa and NH and not be really damaged. He's just another candidate then. He doesn't have the star power anymore.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:01 PM
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after all Clinton became the "comeback kid" and he didn't even win NH. If Dean does he should and he will have more resources to go forward. Edwards problem is he is accepting federal funding and didn't raise too much in the fourth quarter. He could face running out of money down the line.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:07 PM
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The problem with crafting a comeback message is that Dean has been widely trumpeted as the defacto-leader of the race for the last six months. He may be able to come back, but returning to level after getting punched in the gut does not give you that kind of spin with the media.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:07 PM
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was having dirt thrown on his grave before NH, he was history. To come in second after the Flowers incident was a stunner. It's just the opposite for Dean, he is expected to win.
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Tue Jan-20-04 01:54 PM
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22. Dean lost badly in Iowa |
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despite the money, organization, and endorsements. He drove the final nail in his own coffin with the "concession" speech. I don't see Dean finishing any higher than fourth in New Hampshire.
Voters in NH, just like Iowa, are looking for someone they believe can win the general election. How can Dean overcome his crushing defeat in Iowa?
I don't see how.
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