Our plans for terror suspects are un-American

[jswordy]

This is NOT the country our mythology says we are! No trials, and we want to set it up so some will then go to countries we KNOW will torture them. Hmmm...seems that not that long ago, we were criticizing Russia and China, et al, for doing these very kinds of things.

After I read this in my Sunday paper, I knew that I am now truly a man without a country.

From the Washington Post:

Administration officials are preparing long-range plans for indefinitely imprisoning suspected terrorists whom they do not want to set free or turn over to courts in the United States or other countries, according to intelligence, defense and diplomatic officials.

The Pentagon and the CIA have asked the White House to decide on a more permanent approach for potentially lifetime detentions, including for hundreds of people now in military and CIA custody whom the government does not have enough evidence to charge in courts. The outcome of the review, which also involves the State Department, would also affect those expected to be captured in the course of future counterterrorism operations.

"We've been operating in the moment because that's what has been required," said a senior administration official involved in the discussions, who said the current detention system has strained relations between the United States and other countries. "Now we can take a breath. We have the ability and need to look at long-term solutions."

One proposal under review is the transfer of large numbers of Afghan, Saudi and Yemeni detainees from the military's Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention center into new U.S.-built prisons in their home countries. The prisons would be operated by those countries, but the State Department, where this idea originated, would ask them to abide by recognized human rights standards and would monitor compliance, the senior administration official said.

As part of a solution, the Defense Department, which holds 500 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, plans to ask Congress for $25 million to build a 200-bed prison to hold detainees who are unlikely to ever go through a military tribunal for lack of evidence, according to defense officials.

The new prison, dubbed Camp 6, would allow inmates more comfort and freedom than they have now, and would be designed for prisoners the government believes have no more intelligence to share, the officials said. It would be modeled on a U.S. prison and would allow socializing among inmates.

"Since global war on terror is a long-term effort, it makes sense for us to be looking at solutions for long-term problems," said Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman. "This has been evolutionary, but we are at a point in time where we have to say, 'How do you deal with them in the long term?' "

The administration considers its toughest detention problem to involve the prisoners held by the CIA. The CIA has been scurrying since Sept. 11, 2001, to find secure locations abroad where it could detain and interrogate captives without risk of discovery, and without having to give them access to legal proceedings.

Little is known about the CIA's captives, the conditions under which they are kept -- or the procedures used to decide how long they are held or when they may be freed. That has prompted criticism from human rights groups, and from some in Congress and the administration, who say the lack of scrutiny or oversight creates an unacceptable risk of abuse.


...and further on...

One approach used by the CIA has been to transfer captives it picks up abroad to third countries willing to hold them indefinitely and without public proceedings. The transfers, called "renditions," depend on arrangements between the United States and other countries, such as Egypt, Jordan and Afghanistan, that agree to have local security services hold certain terror suspects in their facilities for interrogation by CIA and foreign liaison officers.

...and...

"Renditions are the most effective way to hold people," said Rohan Gunaratna, author of "Inside al Qaeda: Global Network of Terror." "The threat of sending someone to one of these countries is very important. In Europe, the custodial interrogations have yielded almost nothing" because they do not use the threat of sending detainees to a country where they are likely to be tortured."

FULL STORY: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41475-2005Jan1_2.html

[Zenlitened]

1. We're turning into Iran.

Not there yet, but we seem to inch a bit closer every day. :(

[jswordy]

3. Since yer Zenlitened, you likely see the irony...

...in our country becoming more like our enemies in order to defeat them!

And in our country battling Muslim religious zealots by electing Christians religious zealots to lead us!

I often LOL at this, shaking my head...at least until the next bombing or whatever brings me back to the pain, suffering and death that is being wrought because of these paradoxes.

Oh, one more paradox...we are sold the myth that our military is keeping us strong globally, when the real global war is economic, and we grow weaker each day through deficits and the national debt.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. I gave up on the idea of "my country" long ago.

For similar reasons. Specifically, what we were doing in Vietnam. Since then, there has been little reason to feel in the least "patriotic" since then.

"Patriotism is the most foolish of passions, and the passion of fools." - Schopenhauer