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derrald Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:47 PM
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Who else just got the email from Kerry?
In it, he discloses he wont take part in the formal protest tomorrow, even after he's found evidence of voting irregularities.

I've never felt so let down in my life. How did such a wimp get the candidacy for our party?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:49 PM
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1. I didn't get a letter, and I gave Kerry money.
I'm very disappointed in him, too.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:24 PM
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12. I just got one a couple of minutes ago so yours may still be coming.
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ally_sc Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:45 PM
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24. can anyone say what did the email say????eom
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:22 PM
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42. My letter just arrived. I'll be sending a sizzling reply.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:49 PM
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2. Iowa Democrats chose him and they could not deliver their state...
for Kerry.

Next time around let's choose a REAL FIGHTER!
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:55 PM
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6. Iowa is the first caucus, not the only caucus.
They had more than a little bit of help from other states in nominating Kerry.
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:57 PM
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28. But the way the DNC stacked the nominating process....
...it was evident to everyone, and widely covered by the press as the caucus approached, that the winner in Iowa was by far and away heavily favored to rack up the next successive, rapid-fire primaries due to momentum and also lack of time for losing candidates to regroup. That there is a fact.

Sooooo....a caucus, not a primary vote, was set up in advance by our party to be the 900-pound gorilla in determining who the nominee would be.

Hmmmm....how very democratic!
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arnp2000 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:52 PM
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3. that
ruins my day. I had a lot of hope when I woke up this morning. Well, we still have to press on! Right?
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:53 PM
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4. "Quit crying in your teacups"
Is what Kerry told people questioning the 2000 election.

Kerry take part in a formal protest...what, and mix with the riffraff? Kerry's distance from...all of it--has always been his problem.
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newcombt Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:27 PM
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39. ...
good advice
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:53 PM
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5. I got it
and he won't get my vote in 08
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disillusioned1 Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:57 PM
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7. Reply to him that he's complicit in election fraud
I have a feeling there is so much more to this story that we'll never know. As usual.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:00 PM
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8. "Reporting for duty!"
"I've got your back!" "Get over it!" Well, well, well...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:26 PM
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31. Don't forget the all important theme song of the Kerry campaign...
"No surrender"

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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:05 PM
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9. Can you post the email?
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derrald Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:11 PM
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10. Someone posted it right after I posted this, so I dont wanna dupe
Besides, I deleted it after I replied to him.

Here's a link to that post though:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x238457
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:12 PM
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11. I got it. I feel let down too,
but not surprised.

In this email he says

"Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

SO WHAT if it doesn't change the outcome, he and ALL Senators that care about Democracy should be standing up!

I am so sick of Democrats that only protest if they can win! Democrats need to take a stand every single time they can protest anything that is wrong for our country and against democracy no matter what they think the outcome will be!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:26 PM
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13. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:26 PM
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20. Excellent letter!
I like the sentence about turning his boat around and heading straight for the enemy on shore the best!
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:34 PM
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22. "How do you ask a man to be the last man cheated out of his vote?"
W00T!!!
Excellent letter!


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DaedelusNemo Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:56 PM
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27. Absolutely. Voting rights the issue regardless of outcome
Transparent and verifiable votes and vote counts with non-partisan oversight is a fundamental necessity for representative democracy. To do otherwise is to surrender control to anyone who cares to take it.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:19 PM
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35. Reposting without error that caused me to have post pulled
Dear Senator Kerry,

I am very disappointed in your letter below. Counting on ME to make sure votes get counted? How dare you? You and 99 other Senators have but to stand and say "I too, would like to know the true outcome of the votes of my fellow citizens". I already voted on who I wanted to take care of this and it was YOU, Senator.

You say;

"Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

The point is to expose the "irregularities, questionable practices and voters being denied the right to vote" and so many other problems with our current voting system. I harbor no belief that the "election" outcome will be changed, but how else is true reform going to come about?

I urge you Senator, to turn your boat around and aim it straight at the source of enemy fire, that being the results of the "election". You have all the experiences necessary that should tell you the only way to make change in Washington on a matter as important as this is through straight-ahead, no-nonsense confrontation of the "facts" as presented. You and you alone can heal this wound by first opening it up and laying it bare for all the world to see.

How do you ask a man to be the last man cheated out of his vote?

Yours Truly,


fob


edit: A follow up I forgot to add before sending;

Oh, one more thing Senator. When that woman shouted out "We got your back, John!" at one of your rally's, she was 100% correct, but what you may have missed in that shout of support Senator Kerry, was the implicit message that to have your "back", means that YOU ARE LEADING!!

Stand up Senator, or ask that Senator Kennedy stand on your behalf since you will not be present.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:26 PM
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37. Excellent reply!
I will be sending something similar
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:07 PM
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14. AWOL
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:15 PM
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15. Good morning!
I woke up a long time ago and unsubscribed from his BS emails. I felt let down way back then, (Nov. 3) so I know how you feel. Im sick of the happy talk about Kerry..the man shafted us, he shafted the DNC and most of all, he shafted the US. Hell, he even turned me into an independent.

We need a candidate with guts and determination. Maybe someday.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:19 PM
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16. I did. So much for "Reporting For Duty" eh Senator??
...What a piker....
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:25 PM
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17. I did and it ticked me off
How are we going to "hold their feet to the fire" if the consequence for stealing the election is the candidate they stole it from saying "Don't do that again!"

Honestly. I'm very disappointed in Senator Kerry. I expected more from him.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:26 PM
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18. Randi Rhodes is talking about that letter
She's not too happy about it, either.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:26 PM
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19. I did
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:31 PM
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21. I like how Kerry says it is....
all very fishy but they "found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

It isn't whether your vote counts, it is whether or not he would win that motivates him!

Heheheheheh!

Then he goes on to say, while he is not personally gonna stick his neck out, his supporters ought to call Hastert and Frist to demand that Congress reform the election process!

That's our boy. Geez.
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ally_sc Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:41 PM
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23. don't you think ... JOHN EDWARDS for president
that is just a matter of formalty. it is kind of like you don't talk about voting for yourself. but he could get a private forum like a news show on one of the cable outlets, or msm. even a blog would do to let the american people know he is still interested.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:48 PM
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25. There is the blame Kerry crowd and the blame Bush crowd
If DU is the blame Kerry discussion boards, well I've had enough. Most of you have no fucking clue what you are up against. Kerry saying " I was robbed." in the senate is not the answer to Democracy.

You are.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:40 PM
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41. I respectfully disagree. While I understand it takes us ALL to make
this grand experiment work, Senator Kerry is in a unique position that has exponentially more power than my lone voice. That and the two actions are not mutually exclusive, I, you, DUers everywhere can make sure they push forward but Senator Kerry could do so too. I supported him because of his pledge to fight and the width and breadth of his experience in doing so against some of the same actors that need to be fought here. He demonstrated his courage and exhorted us all to follow him. Well, I can hardly follow him if he's unsilling/unable to LEAD.

Kerry does not have to say "I was robbed", in fact I do not think it's about HIM at all (or at least minimally), it is about US, the people, the voters. And if Senator Kerry were to stand up and say, "I object to the certification of this election based on (fill in any number of stories/info that "his lawyers did not find"), and I hereby add my voice to those that want answers to what really happened to the votes of Americans across this land", that most CERTAINLY WOULD be the start of the answer to Democracy.

Peace.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:54 PM
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26. I didn't get one from Kerry. I got one from DEAN though!
And it's not about contesting the election. It's about donating to Save the Children through DFA, and it's also about our Meetup tonight. The meetup promises to be an especially good one!
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:01 PM
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29. We got one
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 04:07 PM by Goldeneye
I think its good news especially when you put it in context: MM's in, Moveon is in, Boxer sounds like she's in, and the letter to senators from Conyer's was released...all in one day too! Who else thinks the timing is interesting. He didn't say there was no fraud by the way. He knows there was. He says he will work to get election reform, and he wants us to help. Honestly, did you expect him to say "yeah there was fraud, and I'm gonna get Blackwell and take this election back?" Seriously what good would it do? This is beyond him now.

...Conyers on AAR with Randi Rhodes at 3:30
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:03 PM
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30. How did such a wimp get the candidacy for our party?
The good folks in the Iowa Caucus bought a concept rather than a candidate.

"Electability" then failed in the general election.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:36 PM
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32. And we need....
... to get Iowa and New Hampshire out of the nomination monopoly business. This is never going to work.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:41 PM
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33. Here's my summary of Kerry's letter
Paraphrasing of course:

"We lost, get over it, but don't get over the
importance of every vote counting. Although in this
case all the votes weren't counted, in this case it
doesn't really matter, but in some other case it would
matter, and it matters that we say it matters. But
don't say that it mattered in this case.

There were some troubling irregularities and
disturbing questions remain unanswered, but we know
that the answers to those unanswered questions would
have no effect on this election. The Republicans
really should do the right thing this time to clean
things up, although they should have done the right
thing last time to clean things up also, but since
they won both last time and this time, give them a
call and ask for their help, since they are now in
charge.

And remember, irregularities are a part of life.
That's why people use Ex-Lax. If it weren't for
irregularities discount stores would have nothing to
sell, so really irregularities are not overly
alarming, just a teensy bit alarming, so don't rock
the boat about this past election but it is OK to
write a letter about it. But remember, certain words
are just too divisive to use in mixed company, and
it's not only Democrats who live in America. We have
to be considerate of our Republican neighbors. Words
like lies, liberal, and fraud, those are all fighting
words. People fight over words like that and it would
be better if we could be more civil. Less combative
words are readily available.

I choose to acknowledge voting "irregularities", and I
am standing up to say that I wish they would stop.
Please join with me in opposing voting irregularities,
in a limited context anyway. We all understand that a
certain amount of irregularities will always be
inevitable. Much more study is needed to ensure that
American voters are not subjected to an excessive
amount of such irregularities, or, in other words,
more irregularities than they are willing to accept.
The bottom line is all votes should be counted and the
overwhelming majority of those votes should be counted
accurately. And it would greatly help to be confident
that that was truly the case, which we can't be
confident of now. Still, I am confident that I lost
this election. But don't worry, I have your back. "
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:52 PM
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34. LOL... that is perfect...
... I could sum it up but mine isn't as funny.


Equivocate, equivocate, equivocate, fence-sit, play both sides at once, take a stand but don't take a stand....

As of Nov 5 this is exactly what I expected from Mr. Kerry, NOTHING.

My message to him - "don't even think about going for the nomination in 2008, thanks for playing, don't call us, we'll call you".
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:21 PM
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36. Dead on. Here's my reply to his e-mail:
You're kidding, right?
This isn't really from John Kerry, is it?
Gotta be from Karl Rove.
Yeah, that's it.
Almost had me there for a minute.
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newcombt Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:26 PM
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38. ...
I got the letter and you have to take into consideration that he is still depressed from his loss.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:28 PM
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40. Give me a break! When's the anger kick in?
That's what we need from our "leaders" (and I use that term loosely), some righteous anger.
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