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Wed Jan-05-05 04:49 PM
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I think it will ruin a Senator's career if he/she fails to stand tomorrow |
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I believe that standing up tomorrow will be a litmus test for all future Congressional, Senatorial and Presidential elections. IF someone doesn't stand, they should plan their retirement.
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Wed Jan-05-05 04:51 PM
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1. I believe you are right. If you do not stand up for us you lie down with |
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the Right Wing Nuts. It is a WAR and they started it.
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Wed Jan-05-05 04:51 PM
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2. Just got an e-mail from Kerry.... |
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He says he will not be taking part in the formal protest. :-(
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Wed Jan-05-05 04:57 PM
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5. THAT's EFFIN' UNREAL!!!! I can't believe this is happening!!!!! |
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If he won't even fight for himself he does not have my support!
Edwards should have been the Presidential candidate. I believe he would not have allow this to fall along the wayside like Kerry is. I know due to Elizabeth's health John is not really thinking of this. I personally think it is understandable. I really am upset with that news.
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Wed Jan-05-05 05:26 PM
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12. Here is all you need to know about that: |
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The Skull & Bones connection.
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Wed Jan-05-05 04:53 PM
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3. The odd thing is we are now conditioned to think of election to the |
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Senate as a career. That itself tells the story.Men and women who are public spirited should egt elected, accomplish what they set out to do and leave. This way the lobbyists cannot have a permanent guy on their payroll doing their bidding for decades.
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genius
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Wed Jan-05-05 09:50 PM
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18. I don't have a problem with good career Senators. |
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I have a problem with the bad ones.
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Wed Jan-05-05 04:54 PM
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Most people are not going to vote out a Senator based on whether or not he/she contests the election. It's more likely that someone who contests will endanger their career.
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Wed Jan-05-05 05:02 PM
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8. I think it reflects on whether or not they think a person's vote means any |
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thing or not. To me it is kind of like being against the voters' rights bill. Supporting Conyers means they support the idea of investigating the situation! If they cannot support that, they will never get my vote!!! Why should they get the vote of anyone who voted for Kerry? It obviously does not matter to them if it actually got counted or not. These irregularities were not really limited to Ohio!!! This will affect the '06 elections as well!!
edited for clarity.I hope..
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Wed Jan-05-05 04:57 PM
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6. I just called Schumer's office and told them that if he does not stand up |
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with Conyer tomorrow I will not vote for him ever again...whatever office he may run for. I told the person who answered that I live in Brooklyn and would give my name and address. She was quite polite, but did not take my information, She said she would pass along the information. I am now going to do the same for Hillary Clinton.
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Wed Jan-05-05 06:34 PM
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14. If Feinstein doesn't contest, we'll run Martin Sheen against her in 06 |
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He'll take the nomination and the general election.
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Wed Jan-05-05 07:01 PM
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to my Senator, I mentioned that I'd heard some were using the excuse that standing up "would not change the outcome of this election" - told her maybe so - but it'll sure as hell change the outcome of the next one. Like you, I will not support anyone, ever again, who does not stand up tomorrow. These 'elected' officials ought to 1. recognize that they are there because we put them there and they work for us, supposedly - and 2. if you don't have iron balls, stay out of politics.
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Wed Jan-05-05 04:59 PM
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7. I know I will remember |
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Who stands and who doesn't.
I have drifted a long way from where I was a few months ago. I was a fighting democrat, canvassing, contributing, going to candidate speeches, attending meetings. Today I am angry at our (lack of) elected leaders. Very few have given us their leadership at a time when it has been needed most. I don't know what this will mean for me in the future, I am far more radical than before (even erased the word militant - could that be me?). I see no reason (noble that is) to NOT stand up and challenge - I don't believe this administration, nor the Republican party cares at all about working with Democrats - but what's worse for me is this: do my democratic leader's care?
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Wed Jan-05-05 05:06 PM
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Wed Jan-05-05 05:22 PM
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The problem with the present democrats are that they are so short sighted. Do they not realize that there is a substantial portion of the population waiting to burst, waiting for someone to rally behind. Doesn't any of them realize that whoever stands up will become a rallying point and an icon. This person has the chance for a level of imortality.
If any Dem outside of Dean had any sense of politics, they would have voted against the War in the first place. It was easy for anyone to see this was an unwinnable "war" from the start. Instead of being a sheep, that person could have vaunted to the leader of the opposition.
What the F*ck do these dems have to lose. How long are they gonna play nice. The Republicans have declared war, and none of the democrats in the senate seem to realize it. The only Dems I have seen worth shit are Hilary, Dean, Kerry and Edwards.
It's not like playing nice is getting them more seats in the senate or house. It's not like playing nice is getting them approval from other repubs. It's not like playing nice is getting Bush to be more Bipartisan. The only time they attempt to be Bipartisan is when they have absolutely no choice whatsoever, and the lap dog Dems jump at it the minute they get a few crumbs thrown their way.
As much as I've hated nader, it's begginning to seem that there is no difference between dems and Repubs, cuz if there where they'd already have declared war and started holly hell. The thing is, whether legislation gets enacted for the "little guy" or not, Dems, like Pubs, STILL GET PAID. At least thats how the fuck it seems. Pubs would never let happen to them the shit that dems let happen. Pubs shut the whole government down. Why cant the dems realize that a simple minded pub isn't gonna vote for them either way so they might as well take a stand. Everything the do gets spun anyway, so why play cautious and nice. At this point, What the F*Ck do they Have to lose!?
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Wed Jan-05-05 07:29 PM
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We really don't have much left to lose. The Dems lie down and the Rethugs step on us. The 'Thugs have no intention of abandoning their agenda, so it doesn't matter what we do.
If the Dems let this fraud pass again, it's not like the Rethugs won't challenge the next close election that doesn't favor them.
They also have been twisting the idea of voting fraud to suggest that they are likely victims. The truth MUST come out or accusations against Dems will become a RW talking point. (I've already heard, "What about Pennsylvania?") Remember: We have now entered Bizarro World.
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Wed Jan-05-05 05:27 PM
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13. I have to agree. These people can hang it up if they think they can |
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keep taking us for granted.
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Wed Jan-05-05 07:31 PM
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will be watching.
Those who don't stand up are no better than buzzards circling carrion. I will consider them to be looking to eat from the carcass of what was once a democratic republic.
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