Carl Levin of Michigan votes aye, Feingold votes no.

[dave123williams]

[gumby]

What vote?

[genius]

32. Levin changed his vote to Nay

[pstans]

1. That is what I thought I heard

Way to go Levin.

I am disapointed in Feingold. If voted Aye, I was going to start campaigning for him for President in 2008 tomorrow.

[doodadem]

14. Boxer for President!

I'm so proud of our girl Barbara Boxer, as a Calif. resident, that I could just bust. She seriously needs to think about running nationally now. Talk about building political capital!
On the other hand, what the hell is with Obama, Kennedy, Reid, and so on, for giving these lovely speeches, but then voting, NO??? All polish, and no spit. I am ashamed of them if they can't put their money where their mouths are.
I was also starting to get excited about a possible Feingold run for prez. I can't believe he also voted NO. Bad, bad liberal........

[IndianaGreen]

2. Let's keep track of this...

He or she that votes against the objection will not get our support. The same goes for those that threw in the towel.

Has Hillary voted yet?

[BrklynLiberal]

9. They could not standup for the principle of voting integrity..

even if they know it won't pass. What the do they have to lose? Abyssmal disappointments. I do not understand Feingold.

[yinkaafrica]

3. What's up with Feingold?

[buddysmellgood]

23. I'm not sure. I know he heard us, but he has proven himself with the

Patriot Act so I know he did not vote no out of fear. I still support Russ.

[IndianaGreen]

4. Kennedy, Leahy, Obama, Harkin, Lieberman, Clinton all voted "No"

Screw them!

On edit:

Biden voted "No" too!

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[Vidar]

5. Only Boxer & Levin voted for democracy .

[IndianaGreen]

6. Then only Boxer and Levin will get our support

Screw the rest!

[jswordy]

7. Ah, we are finding out on the record...

...how our party will be divided up against itself in opposing camps, as we go through this change process.

The rumblings from a rift have been on the blogs here and elsewhere for some time, like tectonic plates moving. Now we get to see our pols actually line up on one side or the other...kind of a litmus test.

Who is "old school?" And who wants a new future?

Very interesting to see this unfold. My one question is, can we heal the wounds in time to be any kind of political force in 2006? Or will a tsunami of our own making wash us further out to sea?

Looks like some pretty deep gashes have been carved out of the donkey's flesh. I recall Dean's comments about the pain of change. How right he is.

[MaineDem]

13. "Our" support? (nt)

[IndianaGreen]

15. It sure ain't gonna be the DLC's support

or the support of those that want to "stay the course" in Iraq!

[JNelson6563]

24. And to think just a few days ago

someone was in here raising the hue and cry to get Levin out! They even garnered some "Good post!" replies.

I dunno 'bout you but I can only imagine Rethugs would want Levin gone.

Julie

[Radical Activist]

8. I think you're missing the point

It wasn't to overturn the election. It was to bring more attention to a problem that needs to be dealt with.

We should recognize and thank those who spoke, regardless of how they voted.

[IndianaGreen]

10. Who won Ohio is the issue!

Or to state it more properly, the issue is who counted the votes!

[jswordy]

19. Two points, quickly, and a suggestion or two

1.) Bush won Ohio. A recount showed he won, as well. Decisively. That's a fact.

2.) I know poll workers and elections officials in Ohio, ALL of whom are Democrats. They all say, to a one, that Bush won in Ohio. They also say that, while there are irregularities (as always in any election), those in Ohio are not atypical of other states. Ohio just happens to be the state under the magnifying glass at present.

Let's quit the LA-LA-LA stuff on Kerry's fantasyland win possibilities, and move on to examining how we can make our elections fairer and make every vote count. Please?

As a start, I would like Congress to examine federalizing the election rules and procedures for any office of national stature. Make the bill like the National Highway Bill, where states are not required to do so, but those that do not do so then do not get money to help with their elections. Currently, national candidates are elected under a patchwork quilt of state elections rules and vote countign methods. Standardize and federalize them.

The effect would be, of course, that even local elections would eventually be run under the national standards.

We also need to figure out a way to remove the oversight of elections in the states from political partisanship. Electing either a Democrat or Republican to oversee a state's voting automatically subjects it to charges of being rigged.

Your comments?

[IndianaGreen]

21. Ohio violated Ohio law in the way it conducted the recount

*THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON THE CONYERS REPORT--PRESERVING DEMOCRACY-- WHAT WENT WRONG IN OHIO--FOLLOWS:

We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and constitutional standards.

This report, therefore, makes three recommendations: (1) consistent with the requirements of the United States Constitution concerning the counting of electoral votes by Congress and Federal law implementing these requirements, there are ample grounds for challenging the electors from the State of Ohio; (2) Congress should engage in further hearings into the widespread irregularities reported in Ohio; we believe the problems are serious enough to warrant the appointment of a joint select Committee of the House and Senate to investigate and report back to the Members; and (3) Congress needs to enact election reform to restore our people's trust in our democracy. These changes should include putting in place more specific federal protections for federal elections, particularly in the areas of audit capability for electronic voting machines and casting and counting of provisional ballots, as well as other needed changes to federal and state election laws.

With regards to our factual finding, in brief, we find that there were massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0106-28.htm

[Nederland]

20. Who counts the votes?

By law, that would be observers from both parties.

[BrklynLiberal]

11. Why couldn't they vote yes....on principle???? What would that have cost

them? Why not put their "money" where their mouth is???
The point was voting fraud. So they 'spoke' about it,but when it came time to really show their courage...they sat down. No points from me.

[Rockerdem]

16. Its call "lip service"

An old adage.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. THANK YOU!

Exactly! If they could get up there and speak, then they should have had the balls/ovaries to fucking vote the way way of their speech! Rethugs vote out of hate, Democrats vote in hopes of not upsetting anyone, EXCEPT their constituents!!!! This pisses me off!

[BrklynLiberal]

18. Absolutely right!! I give them no credit at all for speaking and then

voting NO!!!

[Sleepless In NY]

30. BrklynLiberal... because they have no principles

Remember how Clinton & Schumer stood up to bush on the EPA lying to NY'ers about the "safe" air and water? Oh wait.. that's right..they didn't. See what I mean?

[buddysmellgood]

22. I'll still support Russ because he voted no on the Patriot Act. That still

carries water for me.

[robbedvoter]

26. He also voted yes on Ashcroft. All the water in the world cannot

wash today's cowardice (all senators') - because thanks to them, patriot Act is only the bebinning. What are ya gonna do about it?

[robbedvoter]

25. There are more uncounted votes in Ohio (200,000) than the margin

of "win" - so, we have no idea who won the state/election. Anf to all of you who think some fraud is acceptable, you might want to figure out how much and why shouldn't the GOP perpetrate more next time. In short, one can not ne a bit pregnant or somewhat elected.

[Niche]

27. Pleaase clarify Levin did not vote aye... only Boxer

[BrklynLiberal]

28. Yes Vote was 74-1 Boxer stood ALONE!!

[hopein08]

29. What's with Levin?!?!

Did he forget what he was voting on?! I mean, give it up, he's Democratic leadership! This is said.

[Sleepless In NY]

31. Feingoold voted for the confirmation of John Ashcroft

lest we should forget. I remember people calling & emailing him, begging him not to. I haven't liked him since.