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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:14 PM
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So which senators joined the CBC today?
also which mainstream dems made statements to back them?
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Cervello Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:19 PM
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1. Sen. Boxer Was The Only One
And Sens. Clinton, Kennedy, Lautenberg (sp?) backed the need for electoral reform, but never said anything about fraud. There may have been one or two more Senators, but I can't recall their names right now.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:20 PM
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2. Only one? Damn
No Feingold? Nothing from Dean? Nothing from Clark? Sheesh.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:23 PM
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3. When did Dean and Clark get elected to the Senate?
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:25 PM
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5. my post also said mainstream dems
I want to know if they made any public statements to support the CBC. I guess they didnt.
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Cervello Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:23 PM
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4. Nope
If Dean or Clark said anything, I didn't read or hear it. And Feingold voted NAY to contest the Ohio votes. And if I recall correctly, 31 in the House voted AYE to contest election.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:31 PM
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8. The mainstream media usually ignore Dean and Clark these days.
It's very possible they did say something and got ignored by the presstitutes. That would be normal. But since they are not members of Congress, any statements they make, if not ignored entirely, might not turn up for a couple of days.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:26 PM
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6. So once again we leave the CBC almost alone
to stand up for out votes? This is shameful. Thank you Barbara Boxer for showing more balls than most of the men in this party.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:29 PM
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7. This Union report gives some details
Electorial Debate
Summary of Electorial Debate-Union view on "What Election Challenge Means"


MODS - this is posted with permission of Swanson and ILCA

What Election Challenge Means

By David Swanson, ILCA -International Labor Communications Association, AFL-CIO / CLC

Thirty-three Members of the US House of Representatives, and one all-important Senator -- one more than four years ago -- voted not to accept Ohio's 20 electoral votes for George Bush. The votes were 33 to 260 and 1 to 72. The protesters lost. What does it mean?

First, it's worth noting that more than one Senator took action. Barbara Boxer announced her intention to challenge the election on Thursday morning. By midday Senators Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, and Barak Obama had let it be known that they would support Boxer. During the discussion in the Senate, Richard Durbin, Debbie Stabenow, Edward Kennedy, Ron Wyden, Frank Lautenberg, and Tom Harkin joined the others in speaking in support of Boxer's challenge. And in the House, numerous members spoke, one after another, until the time was up, and the number voting for the challenge jumped to 33 from the 8 that had been known early in the day.

Yet, those looking for as strong as possible a challenge were disappointed. Plenty of Democrats voted No, including Senators who had spoken in support. And one Democratic Senator, Mark Dayton, actually rose and spoke against the challenge. Several Senators and Congress Members spoke in support of the challenge but said they were not questioning Bush's victory. (The election system is broken, but the election system worked -- a notion that makes political sense to some if logical sense to few.) Not a single Republican joined the Democrats in either chamber. The certification of the vote was not stopped. Nothing was changed.

Or was it? I would suggest that the following things have been changed:

1. The topic of election fraud has been forced into the corporate media. Reporters wanting to write about it now have a "hook." They can report on it now in the way they could have two months ago if Senator John Kerry hadn't crawled under his bed to hide. Sure, much of the media today treated the story as one of "political theater" and "grandstanding Democrats," but until now the story had not been there at all.

http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&...

Now the Democrats have the opportunity to explain why fighting for Democracy is the only decent thing to do, even when success seems unlikely.

2. We now have solid evidence that a political party can challenge a stolen election without causing national trauma of the sort Kerry tried to protect us from by conceding. Most Americans are not now in agony over the tensions felt on January 6th in Congress.

3. We have demonstrated that a grassroots movement of minorities and progressives can mobilize around an issue completely blacked out of the media and move US Senators to act. The reason Barbara Boxer stood tall today, while not even Paul Wellstone would do so four years ago, is that four years ago there was no massive grassroots lobbying effort. Nobody was holding "Boxer Rebellion" demonstrations at Boxer's offices four years ago. There were no hearings and bus rides, telephone and fax campaigns, nothing like what we've seen for the past two months. We also lacked the leadership that Congressman John Conyers has shown, but Conyers will be the first to say he couldn't have done this without a movement behind him. The rally Thursday morning across from the White House (report and photos here:

http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&...

was a celebration of success against the odds, of accomplishment in the face of scorn and ridicule with only justice and determination to keep people going. There will be momentum coming out of this for supporters of democracy all over this country.

4. A coalition has begun to form and to feel its power. Cliff Arnebeck of Alliance for Democracy and Common Cause Ohio told me Thursday morning that the way the Cleveland AFL-CIO worked with the white public interest crowd and the black civil rights folks on this issue is matched by the way the Ohio state AFL-CIO is working with these groups in opposition to a Republican proposal in Ohio to eliminate campaign finance limits. Labor, Arnebeck said, is one of the three key parts of a coalition that must be built nationally.

"Labor has to be viewed as a public interest organization," he said. "Every organization has its own selfish interests. But the labor union movement stands for democracy and not for benefiting a small elite, but for the vast majority - not for this CEO club. It's going to come together…This will revitalize all three movements."

5. The Democratic Party has put its toes into the water of actual opposition to the Republicans. Today ended any remaining credibility for another presidential nomination for Kerry -- and probably for any other senators who did not voice their support for Barbara Boxer's challenge. Those who did not speak today will have to campaign against that record, as Kerry campaigned against his vote for Bush's war. The Democrats have begun to emerge as a second party in what has often seemed a one-party or duopolistic system. More power to them. It's up to us to keep this ball rolling by urging aggressive action on election reform and all other issues. The Democrats have started to copy Republican brashness. If they can cease copying Republican policy positions, there may be hope for them yet. Reid announced that he would introduce an election reform bill in a few days.

Call Reid's office. Thank him for what he did today. Ask him to think big and write the bill he wants, not the bill he thinks the Republicans will accept.

International Labor Communications Association, AFL-CIO / CLC
888 16th St. NW Suite 630
Washington, D.C. 20006


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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:37 PM
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9. Thanks for the article
I really hope Reid comes through with a real election reform bill.
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