BurgherHoldtheLies
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:16 AM
Original message |
Just got on a RW talkshow discussing privatizing SS |
|
I started out by saying I was born in the 60's and came of age in the 80's and never planned on SS as my source of retirement. I took "ownership" of my own retirement and invested. However, just because I was blessed with brains, fortunate opportunities and "married well", I know there are people in this country who have no such blessings . I would be willing to support eliminating SS for those above a certain income level who really don't need it in order to save the system for those that do. He tried telling me that I want to punish the successful and I responded that I don't see it as punishment and if he views it as punishment, he is probably too selfish to privately donate either.
That was the first time I ever called one of these goofs...it was fun. :bounce:
|
Richardo
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:18 AM
Response to Original message |
1. Hey gal, you did GOOD! |
|
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:19 AM by Richardo
How bad did he trash you after he hung up on you?
|
BurgherHoldtheLies
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #1 |
2. Left him whining and angry. What fun!! nt |
DinahMoeHum
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:21 AM
Response to Original message |
3. Did you tell them that what Bush proposes is no less than the |
|
breaching of a social contract?
We have to re-frame this issue. Let's call this so-called privatization of SocSec for what is really is - the breaking of a social contract between government and people.
:smoke:
|
BurgherHoldtheLies
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #3 |
4. Nope, sorry....my point was to point out the selfishness |
|
And reinforce the idea that we, as a society, have a greater responsiblity than ourselves to help those who really need it. If it is "patriotic" to support our troops, I say it is also "patriotic" to support those less fortunate.
|
Pirate Smile
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:27 AM
Response to Original message |
5. Nice work. Here's to you. |
NYCGirl
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:30 AM
Response to Original message |
6. Reframe the debate by not talking about "privatizing" — instead call it |
|
"CORPORATIZING" Social Security.
|
BurgherHoldtheLies
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #6 |
7. We need some kind of talking points |
|
Is there any cohesive Dem talking points for issues such as SS, tort reform, tax reform, etc? One of THE most successful strategies of the RNC is the single-voice buzzwords that get transferred from media source to media source.
Would really like some PR/marketing types to provide some resources/guidance. I realize that there are issues with media access and I don't want to degenerate into a segment over who owns this media outlet or that media outlet. I just want to have some direction on using a cohesive voice.
|
bunkerbuster1
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #7 |
8. Mega-Kudos! and to answer your question |
|
We could do worse than to repeat what's on the democrats.org homepage right now:
* If you retire in 2022, Bush will cut your benefits by almost 10 percent. * If you retire in 2042, Bush will cut your benefits by more than 25 percent. * In 2075, our children and grandchildren will face a staggering cut of 46 percent to their benefits.
And let's make sure everyone knows that Arlen Specter thinks this sucks ass, as well.
|
bunkerbuster1
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #8 |
9. Also, mention that the Bushies are on record as PAYING journalists |
|
Let's get people seriously questioning the integrity of those supposedly independent "journalists" who are soft-soaping the trillion-dollar raid on our Treasury.
After all, if BushCo were willing to spend 240K of our tax dollars to Armstrong Williams shill an already-popular program (No Child Left Behind), God only knows what kind of generosity they're showing people on this highly controversial topic.
|
BurgherHoldtheLies
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #8 |
10. He's my Senator....I'll be sure to call and support his opposition. |
|
Thanks, I haven't spent much time at the Democrats.org since I found DU but I will revisit. I want to use the catchy, one voice buzzwords too...people tend to glaze over when reciting facts. Any PR/marketing efforts from the Dems to provide such guidance to speak in a cohesive voice?
|
bunkerbuster1
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Jan-07-05 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #10 |
11. I sure wish there were. This is a winner for us. |
|
Honestly, I'm awaiting marching orders. I'll meet with my local county Dems tomorrow and ask but it shouldn't come to that. This is a huge issue, and one we not only should win, but use to win in 2006.
But to sum up my approach:
* Financially, it's smoke and mirrors. You don't make up a shortfall by BORROWING MORE.
* Arlen Specter, a Republican, doesn't support it.
* The "crisis" is manufactured. Bush himself has been claiming that SS would implode in ten years, in 1978.
* "keeping more of your own paycheck" = paying current recipients LESS, unless you BORROW. Which is what they are proposing to do, 1 trillion+.
I'll add this: I really AM willing to talk seriously about addressing future issues now by restructuring schedules, trimming back increases if necessary and so on. But NOT if a giveaway program for the brokerage firms is part of the deal.
|
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Wed Apr 24th 2024, 10:42 PM
Response to Original message |