What is so GREAT about Wesley Clark?

[propagandafreegal]

I would like to know.

[sportndandy]

1. He's a republican who claims to be a democrat

Appeals to all the people who like Joe Lieberman and John McCain. A liberal republican, but a republican.

[GOPBasher]

2. A Republican????

He's pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-labor, anti-Iraq War, pro-gay rights, anti-Bush tax cuts (debt increases), etc. Why do you say he's a Republican?

[sportndandy]

7. You just describe McCain

[wicket]

8. McCain is not pro-choice

Among others.

[GOPBasher]

22. McCain's not pro-choice, not pro-labor, and definitely FOR Iraq War.

So that's not like McCain

[Crunchy Frog]

36. McCain is pro-choice and anti Iraq war.

Nice try buddy. We're a little bit more informed on this site than you people give us credit for.

[Ravenseye]

104. You sure he's pro-choice?

I coulda sworn that he was pro-life, or at least voted that way.

[Sparkly]

9. Because it's an easy slam, as are all lies.

He was never a Republican, and he's been out there tirelessly for Democrats, but that doesn't stop people who prefer not to deal in facts. :eyes:

[GOPBasher]

21. True.

[DaveinMD]

4. hardly

he was the most progressive candidate in the race. He advocated real reform of the tax system so the rich would pay more and the working class would pay virtually no income tax. He understands how important real diplomacy is in order to advance a real foreign policy. He knows the real cost of war and won't rush in blindly. And he is an incredibly decent man.

[sportndandy]

17. more progressive than Kucinich?

Oh yeah forgot about him. Well he wasn't tall...

[DaveinMD]

19. Kucinich

has a right to life record in the House.

Clark isn't tall either.

[sportndandy]

20. And clarke has no voting record

except when he was a registered republican.

[RafterMan]

23. Except he wasn't a registered republican

[DaveinMD]

25. he was never

a registered Republican. He was an independent as all the top brass are. He was still the most progressive candidate in the race. Your insults don't change that one bit.

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[QC]

100. Sorry, but a statement that is objectively false is called "a lie."

We can't very well complain that people won't just come right out and say that Bush is a liar and then retreat into polite euphemisms when one of "our own" deliberately and repeatedly says something that is not true.

[Crunchy Frog]

39. You're doing a pretty good job

either of giving yourself away, or else demonstrating your complete ignorance of the facts.

Clark was never registered in any party until 2002. He was an independent who mostly voted Republican when he was younger (which he has made no attempt to conceal), and voted Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry in the last four elections.

Again, nice try. (Oh, and you might want to try to be little more consistent on the spelling of his name.)

On the other hand, I think I see what you're trying to say and I stand corrected. Richard Clarke is indeed a registered Republican. Yup, you certainly got that one right.

[Sparkly]

72. Richard Clarke? n/t

[melnjones]

103. Sigh...

I think I read somewhere once that people need to hear things 7 times before they remember them. Well,

Clark never was a registered republican.
Clark never was a registered republican.
Clark never was a registered republican.
Clark never was a registered republican.
Clark never was a registered republican.
Clark never was a registered republican.
Clark never was a registered republican.

Hope that helped.

[RafterMan]

27. One minute he's a Republican

the next minute, the only person you can think of to his left is Kucinich.

Interesting.

[propagandafreegal]

33. I read he is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations that all the

other cronies are in. He is just another plant. He was in Kosovo and WACO did anyone know this?

He is being held up now as a HERO.

Don't trust him!

[DaveinMD]

38. Kosovo

was a great success. He built a NATO coalition that stopped a genocide. No one American was killed and lives were saved. I'm completely in support of that mission.

[propagandafreegal]

45. Check this out ro... he was doing double duty in Kosovo ro..

....There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and there were no mass graves holding tens of thousands of bodies ever found in Kosovo. Yet, as we documented in 1999 using reports from Jane's Intelligence Weekly and The Christian Science Monitor, in the process of conducting that war

Clark made safe the KLA's control over 70% of the heroin reaching Western Europe.

[Tom Rinaldo]

52. People who think Clarkies are behind re fighting the Primary Wars

Please read through this thread. Find any familiar arguments against Clark on it? So what am I supposed to do? Let them have their way I suppose. NOT

Actually I have business to attend to so I will have to check back in later. But contributions to preventing Clark character assassination attempts by fair minded backers of other candidates would be most welcome. Then it won't have to look like Clarkies are always going around looking for a fight. We are not. But we don't roll over to lies either.

[incapsulated]

69. "there were no mass graves"

In Kosovo? Jesus Christ even the Serbs themselves finally admitted to that. Well, except for Milosovic. I guess he's cool with you.

Uh, WMD wasn't the reason for the first Iraq war, honey, and he didn't participate in it. You need to get some book learnin'.

[FrenchieCat]

78. DUH....we know that Clark was in Kosovo.....

The Kosovo Albanians Muslims were glad to see General Wes Clark. He is their hero. Genocide was stopped in its tracks for the first time. Nato won its only War. I understand that many have portraits of Wes hanging in their home a la JFK and MLK here in the US.



The Presidential Medal of Freedom is awarded to people who have made especially meritorious contributions to U.S. national security, to world peace, or to cultural or other significant public or private endeavors. The medal may be bestowed on citizens of other nations and may be awarded posthumously.

“Wes Clark richly deserves the Medal of Freedom, not just for the outstanding job he did leading NATO in its first and only conflict, but for a lifetime of distinguished service in the United States Army and for the Department of Defense. He brings energy and imagination to foreign and security policy and will continue to serve his country with distinction. All of his new colleagues at CSIS celebrate his well-deserved honor,” said CSIS president and CEO John Hamre.

Clark, Supreme Allied Commander Europe from July 10, 1997, until May 3, 2000, joined CSIS August 1 as a distinguished senior adviser. He will work across the full range of the Center’s programs, concentrating particularly on international security. Clark was in overall command of NATO’s military forces in Europe and led approximately 75,000 troops from 37 NATO and other nations participating in ongoing operations in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo. He also helped to negotiate the Dayton Peace Accords. In 1999, Clark commanded Operation Allied Force, the alliance’s military response to the Kosovo crisis.

[Crunchy Frog]

46. Not only that, but he's also in posession of

secret mind control rays.



Careful about watching him on TV. He'll hypnotize you and turn you into one of us. Bwahahahahahah!

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[sendero]

5. That is pure...

D bullshit and if you ever saw an interview with him you'd know better.

[sportndandy]

13. I have

The man seemed very uncomfortable. He stuck to his talking points and most of them had to do with how he would handle Iraq. He seemed to think Dems are on board with the prez, they just needed better leadership. He took great pains to "look" democratic, but seemed like he would be more comfortable in a starchy 3-piece.

[chaska]

6. Somebody rip this guy a new one. I don't have time.

Where's Frenchie?

[Sparkly]

14. I don't have the inclination.

I'm so sick of it.

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[Sparkly]

70. Oh shoot.

I got a deleted message and I didn't even get to see it. :)

[Crunchy Frog]

47. This one isn't worth it.

He's such a giveaway that I'm just laughing.

[xultar]

10. I haven't met you yet and I'm sad that it has to be under this post that

we do meet.

This happens to be why the Democratic party is in such a mess. There are those of us who think we know it all enough to bash and attack anyone and everything we don't understand. Though we say we are the party of diversity it seems we don't actually embody that on the ground.

I would suggest that you conduct some research and learn about whom you speak so that you could have more informative enlightening posts in the future. I

Please let's not meet under these circumstances again. I doubt I could hold my tongue as well as I did today.

:nuke:

[sportndandy]

16. Make sense sometime

Don't tell me that I am wrongfully bashing and then turn around bash me for it. I gave an opinion. OPINION. You do not have to like it, but I would appreciate a democratic party that wasn't so damn republican about opinions it doesn't like.

[xultar]

28. I didn't bash you. I was very very kind.

[Crunchy Frog]

58. My guess is that you'd like a Democratic party

that rolls over for the Republicans on every issue and keeps losing elections. My guess is that is why you find Clark so threatening.

I wouldn't worry so much. This country is usually much better off when Democrats are running things.

[marcologico]

31. You bashed him on completely groundless manners points.

Clark is a willing tool and guess who's tool he'd be if he ever got elected to anything, which is unlikely?

[Crunchy Frog]

50. Are you two working in tandem?

I know that's how you people do it alot of the time. I guess it's because you know you can't stand on your own two feet in a genuine discussion. You're not disguising it particularly well though.

[marcologico]

59. No. Why, are you?

n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

81. Very clever comeback.

I'm tremendously impressed with your witty reparte.:hi:

[Sparkly]

79. Researching facts = "manners points?"

Yeah, he was such a "willing tool" he stood up to Clinton and the Pentagon when he disagreed with them. :eyes:

[Crunchy Frog]

35. Sort of like Ronald Reagan was a Democrat

pretending to be a Republican.

Appeals to conservative types like George McGovern, Charlie Rangel and Michael Moore.

Oh, and just so you know, I despise both Lieberman and McCain, and I actually voted for Dennis Kucinich in our state caucuses.

It was not the Clark supporters who were drooling over the idea of a Kerry/McCain ticket several months ago on this board.

I can see that we have our work cut out for us, educating people who have been unduly influenced by Rovian talking points and corporate media. Why don't you try informing yourself a little by checking out the information at this link.

http://clark04.com/issues/

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[incapsulated]

3. Would you? Really?

Would you really, really like to know?

*sigh*

(incapsulated the pyschic predicts this thread will become a 250 post flamefest.)

[Sparkly]

12. 250 easily.

[mcscajun]

11. If you really do want to know...

read up on him here:

http://www.clark04.com/issues/

This is a link to the old campaign site and Clark's stands on the issues are still all there.

If you just want to stir things up...there's a pizza waiting for you, I'm sure.

[medeak]

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[medeak]

15. what I liked about him

was his admission that he was so indoctrinated being in the military to believe everything the administration tells you...

that it took him three years after retirement "to figure it all out"

That's why he's a dem now... he saw the light after getting away from the "yes sir mr. president" mentality.

Was fortunate to meet and greet in small venue. Very impressed.

[Blue-Jay]

24. Well, *this* thread is gonna go on for a while.

[mcscajun]

30. and it's going on without the OP

Funny now, ain't it?

[BlackVelvet04]

26. This is my problem with Clark and why I withdrew my support from him.

Creating a 21st Century Civilian Reserve for 21st Century Challenges. General Clark challenges all Americans, men and women, to sign up for the Civilian Reserve. By signing up for the Civilian Reserve, volunteers promise to make a sacrifice for their country, when and where needed. In exchange, members of the Civilian Reserve would know that their unique talents and abilities were being effectively mobilized.




Calling up the Civilian Reserve if necessary. During a crisis, if sufficient volunteers were not available, the President would have the authority to call up as many as 5,000 Reservists, through a lottery of those with the required skills. The circumstances precipitating a mandatory call-up would be exceedingly rare, and the maximum period of active duty would be six months.

http://www.clark04.com/misc/003/

Exceedingly rare. Yeah, right. Tell that to the National Guardsmen in Iraq who have had their service extended without their consent.

[propagandafreegal]

29. Civilian Reserve... please nm

[BlackVelvet04]

40. Civilian yes, but mandatory callup is mandatory

whether civilian or not. I don't think anyone owes this country anything but to pay taxes.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

44. SO DON'T SIGN UP

It's just not that hard of a concept.

DTH

[DoveTurnedHawk]

41. So Then Don't Sign Up

It's a very simple concept.

DTH

[robbedvoter]

62. Oh, so you were the one? I remember, we talked about you -

the lifetime Clarie/lifetime Democrat who now saw the light.... MWO had a profile on you once.

[sportndandy]

32. To all you thin skins

Get a grip. I am not insulting anyone and no one should be taking it that way.

Clarke is okay. That is it. He resembles a republican and some dems think that a guy who looks like a republican but believes like a democrat is the solution to our problems. Good luck. Its as vacuous as those who said women voted for Bush over Gore because he was more handsome.

Oh yeah. I voted for Clarke in the Delaware primary, so stew on that and keep calling me freeper.

[tishaLA]

43. You voted for Clarke?

I didn't know Richard Clarke ran for anything. But I'm sure he thanks you.

[Tom Rinaldo]

53. You can start by spelling his name right. Or are you confusing him

with Richard Clarke. The Republicans went after both of them.

[Crunchy Frog]

63. I like Richard Clarke alot too, but I doubt very much

that you voted for him in any primary unless it was a write in. He is also a Republican, albeit, one with alot of honor and integrity. Nevertheless, if you voted for him in a primary you must have been voting in the Republican primary. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

And I don't have a thin skin about this at all. In fact, I'm finding it very entertaining.

[marcologico]

42. Profile in political opportunism, photographs well, that about covers it.

n/t

[DoveTurnedHawk]

48. You Appear To Be the Same as All the Other Detractors

It's like a broken record.

:eyes:

DTH

[Pithy Cherub]

54. When someone displays a level of knowledge rather than

trite talking points, then an opinion would be worthy of respect. :eyes:

Wes Clark is imminently suited and qualified on many points. If you are seeking help with research then ask with the positive intent of seeking positive replies. Photographing well works to Clark's advantage.

The current pResident can not master his inner sulky child.

[Crunchy Frog]

97. It's always the same language.

It's almost as if they were reading from a script. Hmmmm...

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[propagandafreegal]

51. Why did Donnie Fowler quit his campaign? Cause Clark wanted to play

the GAME and listen to the Clintonistas.

He sucks.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

55. Fowler Was a Sore Loser and Not a Team Player

When the campaign grew naturally, he couldn't stand the idea of taking a position other than the big cheese, so he left in a huff and provided quotes to the media which were damaging to the candidate and the campaign. Now he's running for DNC Chair? No way.

DTH

[Tom Rinaldo]

56. Here is a great thread about Clark

It is in the DU Wesley Clark Supporters Group so don't bother going there to disrupt. The rules are different in the support groups, there is no tolerance for people who do not support a candidate speaking against that person in those groups.

Great Clark quotes:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=235&topic_id=3434&mesg_id=3434

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[Tom Rinaldo]

61. I'm glad to hear that I won't be seeing you there. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

66. Well, I will give you this.

You certainly do know alot about crap posts dear.

[robbedvoter]

60. Wow! The hatred level on this one surpasses the primaries flamefests

Someone must be really, really, really , really worried.

[Sparkly]

65. Seriously.

Could you IMAGINE if one of us posted the remark that (any candidate's name here) "SUCKS?" Could you IMAGINE the outcry? Some like to IMAGINE that we're "bashing" (any candidate's name here), even though I never have, but somehow this level of rhetoric against Clark is acceptable...

I think some are worried indeed. I think others worry that (any candidate's name here) can't or won't run again, while there's still the potential for Clark to do it.

[Crunchy Frog]

96. My guess is that there's a somewhat different agenda

going on with these posts. I won't try to spell it out any more than that as it would be a rule violation. ;-)

[Crunchy Frog]

73. Yes, it looks like Karl Rove is not pleased at all.

I think we've said just about everything that needs to be said. Anything else would just be feeding the trolls.

[marcologico]

64. You want to know why I hate Clark? He's a back-stabbing, rumor-mongering

sore-losing idiot, that's why.

[robbedvoter]

77. Uh, let's see - our democracy is gone, right to vote in the toilet,

checks and balances gone, fascists will suck the treasury dry and wage wars over wars and DU is suddenly overrun with anti-Clark threads where flamers arrive in groups. Can someone explain this social phenomena? (I saw it happen on C-Span, but not supposed to name it)

[melnjones]

101. sore losing?

Hmm...that's a new one! Way to be creative. And it also explains oh-so-well why he supported Kerry 100% after he dropped out of the primaries, why he went on the campaign trail with him and for him, etc. etc. Amazing- he was (and STILL is) speaking out against Bush, supporting Democrats...what a jerk!

Unless, of course, you're speaking about when he retired...Maybe you need to do a little more research on that one. In fact, don't even bother, since that crap has been debunked a hundred times on these boards already.

In fact, every piece of crap thought that some people seem to have adopted from the GOP about Clark has been debunked as well, yet people continue to flame. Who is really the sore loser, my friend?

[Crunchy Frog]

102. We Democrats are not being sore losers.

There were many genuine fully documented incidents of fraud, intimidation, and various other "irregularities" in this election. We want the Democratic party to take a leadership role in uncovering abuses in the electoral system and making sure that our elections are genuinely free and fair.

That's not being a sore loser. It benefits Democrats and Republicans alike to know that our electoral system is free and fair.

Hate is not a good foundation for a political party, which is why the Republicans in their present form are going to fail in the end.

Wes Clark never stabbed anybody in the back. All he did was to tell the truth about Bush and try to hold him accountable for his failures and his disastrous policies. Again, that's not back stabbing, it's truth telling. Better get used to the fact that there's at least one Democrat out there who's going to do it.

After you get drafted and shipped off to Iraq, you'll be praying to have someone like him in charge of this country.

[Tom Rinaldo]

68. From a 2003 interview on NH Public Radio

"I think we're at a time in American history that's probably analogous to, maybe, Rome before the first emperors, when the Republic started to fall... I think if you look at the pattern of events, if you look at the disputed election of 2000, can you imagine? In America, people are trying to recount ballots and a partisan mob is pounding on the glass and threatening the counters? Can you imagine that? Can you imagine a political party which does its best to keep any representatives from another party — who've even been affiliated with another party — from getting a business job in the nation's capital? Can you imagine a political party that wants to redistrict so that its opponents can be driven out entirely?...it's a different time in America and the Republic is - this election is about a lot more than jobs. I'm not sure everybody in America sees it right now. But I see it, I feel it." - General Wesley Clark

[marcologico]

75. He sees and feels WHAT? Give me a break, the guy's clueless, sorry.

n/t

[robbedvoter]

91. The perfect quote for the times. this thread. pounding on the glass

to shut us up...

[marcologico]

71. Ask Matt Drudge why people hate Clark. n/t

[incapsulated]

76. Ding, Ding, Ding!

A Drudge fan are we?

And tell us what Rush said about Clark too!

[marcologico]

80. No, it's what Clark said to Drudge, or have you conveniently forgotten

about Clarkie-boy's loose lips? You think I want a fishwife in the oval office? Guess again.

[Sparkly]

84. "Clarkie-boy?" Is this really necessary?

I feel like I'm in an AOL chatroom.

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[tishaLA]

92. You mean what Drudge said Clark said to other reporters

Because not even Drudge said Clark said it to him. He said Clark had said things about Sen. Kerry and an intern to reporters from news magazines. And then Drudge ran with the story for a good week or so. And what happened to that story, anyhow? Did it look Drudge look foolish?

And, it might be worthwhile noting, reporters who were THERE have said Clark said NO SUCH THING. But rumormongering about rumormongering is an interesting way of demeaning Clark. Especially when one cites Mr. Matt Drudge, the crotch sniffer par excellence.

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[Bill Lumbergh]

74. He knows how to fill out TPS reports

nt

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[faithfulcitizen]

83. looks like you bought the rw propaganda eh?

[robbedvoter]

85. In a "free market" buyers and sellers can sometimes be confused

But it seems an entire "market" poured on this thread.

[Sparkly]

86. Which only goes to show some people will buy anything

and Karl Rove is a great salesman.

[marcologico]

87. Clark fed Rove a little rumor, Drudge ran with it, Clark is a fool, end of

discussion.

[Sparkly]

89. Ohhh, you're talking about the Kerry affair rumor!!

And the rumor that Clark started it! All rumored of course, by the credible Matt Drudge!! Nevermind that some actual reporters set the story straight and said Drudge was completely wrong. You choose to believe Drudge.

End of discussion.

[robbedvoter]

90. yeah, and Gore invented the internet and lied about the lullabye

his mother sang to him. We went through all those already. As you guys like to say: "we counted them once, we counted them twice'..."

[tishaLA]

95. And Drudge also said

Sid Blumenthal beat his wife and that Hillary Clinton was about to be indicted. He also reported that we'd captured a- Zarquawi this week. And on and on.

I'm glad you put stock in Drudge. He's always a great source for stories about democrats. And he always tells the truth about what democrats say.

[mattclearing]

93. I asked this a while back, and let's just say I am convinced.

Wesley Clark is cool with me. FrenchieCat will enlighten you if you have any doubts.

[robbedvoter]

98. Your question was asked respectfully and with the need for an answer

Enlightenment is not the purpose for this thread.

[mattclearing]

99. True dat. n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

105. To my Deanie Friends: They hate our guys, don't they?

I know you have to deal with threads like this one also...

[Moderator]

106. Locking...

Flamefest.

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