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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:02 PM
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"Show Respect for the President" - cringe, whiff of fascism
Every time I hear someone say this or act as if Shrub (or a Democrat, for that matter) is King, I cringe. Didn't we have a revolution 229 years ago to get rid of a King ?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:03 PM
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1. Seems like we did.
And didn't we win?
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:06 PM
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7. I'm not so sure right now.
It seems we've gone from one king george to another.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:09 PM
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10. Sad to say, you're right.
I would really like to see sentient GOP senators rise against Bush in this second administration -- and just block him on social security privatization, the Iraq war, and tort reform.

This used to be their party, and now Dubya has stolen it.

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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:33 PM
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34. RESPECT IS EARNED
RESPECT IS EARNED, this is something dubya doesn't understand.
 He has never been successful at anything in his life. He has
never had to face the consequences for his actions.  Daddy
always got him out of trouble.  This is why he is so
dangerous.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:01 PM
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36. I think you nailed it.
Doesn't he seem to you a lot like a 3rd grade bully out on the playground?

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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:14 PM
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37. I second that
I teach my kids that everyone deserves respect when you first meet them, from there they either earn it or lose it. Bush lost it a long time ago.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:29 AM
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43. I feel he is not respecting the office.
The fundamental purpose of the executive branch and its role with respect to the Constitution as well as to the Judiciary and to the Congress.
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:03 PM
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2. I always assume they refer to the same level of respect
that they showed Clinton.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:04 PM
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4. That's fair. n/t
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:04 PM
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3. what is more important..
Loyalty to the president, or loyality to the United States of America.
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cruadin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:05 PM
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5. I understand your reaction to the *person* who currently....
is in the office, but I think that we should respect the office itself. After all, a Democrat WILL hold that position again.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:08 PM
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9. As long as Americans do not lie or truly defame the President,
I think we are being respectful. Beyond that, we are elevating the President above us. He is NOT above us. We voluntarily follow him, sometimes, but we can, theoretically, throw him out.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:05 PM
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6. just say, like you showed for clinton?
of course, they have an answer for that, namely that the affair with monica late in his tenure fully justified the lack of respect given to him from day 1.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:11 PM
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11. Guess they should have mentioned that to Rush Limbaugh..
all during the 90s...i still say we need our own equilivant of the nasty Limbaugh..ugh...to rant daily on tv...in every nit picking nasty way imaginable for at least the next four years.
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BlackCoffeeSound Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:30 PM
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16. Sure, we need our own Rush..but...
The whole problem with that is the Wilsonian-like atmosphere that exists now. You would swear that the sedition act is still around with the amount of hatred for any kind of dialog this country feels these days. It's bloody scary for sure.

Michael Moore would be the man but his chosen field is film and he seems quite fine with that and wouldn't want to step down into talk radio, especially if one of his bosses could be Clear Channel.

Stern is doing a pretty good job, the only problem is that he's still tying to shake his "shock jock" deal and stay relevant. I think if he went 75% political and 25% entertainment, he would be our guy.

So in other words, I dunno!



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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:40 PM
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19. When Clinton was pres, Rush had an hour a day tv show.
and it was the unbelievable..the lowest level of joy of nastiness displayed...and the audience...nodding like sheep..it was like an infomercial audience..ha! For this work..we dont need a committed democrat...we need an actor..an asshole nasty money grubbing piece of shit actor...who just loves to put people down in the most trivial and childish and nastiest ways possible...and, an audience, of course nodding their collective heads in agreement..when u are up against a nasty street fight...u really gotta get down and nasty too..if you are going to survive it...and that is the fight we are in a nasty street fight against the lowest of thug gangs.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:49 PM
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24. Bring on Triumph!
I LOVE that insult dog.
He will poop on *!
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:14 AM
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46. God, YES. I truly blame Rush for a lot of this.
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Ad Girl Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:42 PM
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22. What about Randi Rhodes
of Air America. If you ask me this woman is right on target on just about every issue and understands that we are not dealing with Repugs but with Neocon Globalists who have stolen the Repug party and are moving toward an aristocratic theocracy. Fascism or Corporatism, whatever you want to call it.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:51 PM
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53. YES!!!
Randi Rhodes ROCKS!!
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:48 PM
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52. yea right!!!
HOWARD STERN RELEVANT, WHAT A JOKE, YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT?
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:21 PM
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26. Try Ed Schultz
He has the "Rush tone", but with the left slant. He would eat Rush alive in an one on one debate.

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:09 PM
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31. He IS good
He has that Rush tone, but unlike Rush he DOES let callers get a word in before he eats them for lunch.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:34 AM
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47. I've got his book, but he isn't on the air in my area. Yet.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 11:35 AM by DinahMoeHum
He'd get great ratings here.

(NY-NJ-CT tri-state area)

:kick:
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:31 PM
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32. Clinton's lies didn't kill thousands of Americans
And hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. I don't condone Clinton's affair, but it's minor compared to the crimes of BushCo. Clinton's still my favorite President of my lifetime, also (I'm only 24).
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:07 PM
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8. Respect is earned, not given
and this pResident has earned nothing but contempt.

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shawcomm Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:12 PM
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12. Exactly!
We have respect for the office, but the shrub hasn't earned anything but disrespect. By decrying the things he does, we are showing the utmost respect for the office. He's making a mockery of the position of President.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:12 PM
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13. 1.) bush** has never been elected president. 2.) Implying that that clown
deserves any respect whatsoever is high up on the list of the world's best jokes.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:13 PM
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14. Their idea of "respect" means
that we swallow the Kool-Aid without protest. I refuse to show that kind of "respect". I WILL disagree and protest when I think that what is happening in MY country is wrong. And I refuse to respect someone who refuses to respect the Constitution.
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aeolian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:22 PM
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15. That chapter of the history books
has been deemed "un-American" and "Anti-Christian" by the Council of Shrill Mothers.

God created America so that Bush could be its president. Get it right.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:32 PM
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17. Why? When he lies, distorts, and our children to die in his
profits war, does he show respect for me?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:34 PM
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18. go back to the magna charta
the foundation that the king was not above the law. now our government has decided that bush is above the law.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:45 PM
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20. Accusing someone of being disrespectful
to express a certain point of view, rather than actually rebutting their argument, is a wonderful rhetorical dirty trick.

One of the things that impressed me about Bush's planning of the invasion of Iraq was how he managed to keep the amount of time between being able to claim that no decision to attack Iraq had been reached, and so opponents of the war were jumping the gun, and the point where he could claim that opponents of the war "were being disrespectful to the brave men and women risking their lives for their country". Masterfully underhand.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:01 AM
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44. And you can thank Rove
for that masterful trick and many others.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:32 PM
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21. I just tell them the truth
He didn't win in 2000, and he didn't win in 2004. He's not the president.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 02:54 PM
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23. FUCK the pResident!
When Nixon or Reagan or even Poppy was in there, I could at least respect the office of the President and the fact that a majority of Americans actually voted for the bastard.

With Junior, not even those things were true the first time, and very doubtful the second. I have no respect for that piece of shit on ANY level.
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:32 PM
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33. Amen to that!
Up yours, Dubya.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:16 PM
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25. I read a quote from Olberman the other day, during the Clinton
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 04:18 PM by proudbluestater
Administration he had to spend over 200 daily shows talking about Monica Lewinsky and her infamous blue dress.

That's damn near a freaking year!

And we should respect THIS president? This war criminal? Hmmm, maybe another millenium, not in this one.

When he starts respecting all citizens of the world I may think about giving him my respect. I owe him squat. I give him derision, that's what he's earned.
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:25 PM
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27. I get that all the time from members of the College Repukes
It's like they don't want to hear any criticism
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:40 PM
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28. blindly following the leader is what dishonors the office of Presidency
That's the single best lesson I've always learned from the revolution. Doesn't anyone read the Declaration of Independence anymore? We have a right and a duty to fight for what is best for our country, not for what is best for the leaders.

We should know by now what happens when we don't learn from history, right? :)
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:44 PM
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29. "Show respect for Der Fuehrer" - how it sounds to me nt
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:57 PM
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30. Lemme tell you a story
Several months ago, my husband was at a red light in my car. It has Purple Heart plates (his medal) and it had a sticker at the time that read "Show Bush the Door in 2004!" This guy pulled up next to him and told him that sticker was "unpatriotic." My husband said "What's patriotic mean to you?"

The guy says really indignantly "RESPECTING the president!"

My husband says "Oh yeah? How patriotic were you when Clinton was in office?"

The guy's jaw works silently once or twice and the light turns green. My husband took off, laughing his ass off.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:53 PM
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35. True Patriotism means supporting your country always and ...
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 06:54 PM by bklyncowgirl
your government when it deserves it.

That's a quote, I believe from Mark Twain the guy who also said "Suppose I was an idiot and suppose I was a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:35 PM
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38. Not for the man - for the "office" maybe - but it gets harder every day
bunkerboy retains his illegal criminal grip on it.

But never for bunkerboy - he has yet to earn ANY respect or even come close!
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:40 PM
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39. You should show respect for the office
The office of president is a symbol of our democratic institutions which we should revere and respect. Just because ** shames the office doesn't mean we should...

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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:29 AM
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40. Mark Twain said
Support your country always and your government when they deserve it! Bush does not deserve our support or respect!
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Debs Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:42 AM
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41. The President
Works for ME.He is a civil servant. I will show him the respect I show my mechanic. When he does a good job, I say so when he sucks, I say so
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:27 AM
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42. Chimp gets the same amount of respect from me
that the repukes gave to Clinton, and we all how much that was. x(
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:50 AM
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45. What, the way the entire RW showed respect to Clinton?
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 07:51 AM by LynnTheDem
Sure, I can do that.

bush is a LIAR and a MURDERER. And unlike Clinton, BUSH'S LIES KILL PEOPLE.
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Bampa Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:45 AM
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48. I do respect the scum bag!
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:11 PM
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49. I couldn't even fake respect for Bush. I have nothing but loathing for
him.

To me the idea of respect means that the recipient should earn it not just receive it because of his/her position. Buck Fush!
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:47 PM
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50. Fuck that shit, Pabst Blue Ribbon!
Frank Booth
I'm sorry I thought this was America with crazy notions of freedom of speech, press, assembly and the right to disagree with our government without fear of retribution.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:36 PM
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51. I will not be a hypocrite!
I have absolutely NO respect for that man...he is nothing but a common criminal!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:20 PM
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54. Respect GW Bush?
Someone is joking. right?
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