These are the troops I support

[3days]

I am so sick of the phrase, "I don't support the war but I do support our troops".
Our troops have a moral obligation to deny to be a part of an illegal and unjust war.

He realised that he had made the "wrong career choice" as he marched with his platoon of recruits all chanting, "Train to kill, kill we will".

He said: "At that point a light went off in my head. I was told in basic training that if I'm given an illegal or immoral order, it is my duty to disobey it. I feel that invading and occupying Iraq is an illegal and immoral thing to do.''

Fuck yes. Finally about 5500 got it and stood up for the innocent folks in Iraq and refused to be a part in shrub's illegal war.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/09/wus09.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/01/09/ixportal.html

[ohioliberal]

1. I'm with you!

[kiraboo]

2. He's going to be called a coward

and while I'm not sure that's the right word, something like it is possibly appropriate. Who's to say what really caused him to desert? Don't get me wrong... I support the deserters because their increasing number underscores the meaningless of this badly-planned war. But I'm not ready to believe that somebody who went through basic training didn't realize why he was learning how to use his firearms.

[dkofos]

4. You can call him what he is

A Conscientious Objector

[3days]

5. It's all well and good to learn how to use firearms

To defend your country against an apparent threat. Not to start a preemptive and illegal war against someone who hasn't attacked us or wasn't about to.

[IronLionZion]

6. fighting to defend your country

and what Bush is doing are completely opposite things.

[acmavm]

9. Sometimes it takes more courage to take a stand on humanity, decency,

and integrity than it takes to shoot a bullet or drop a bomb on innocent civilians or people fighting to take their country back.

[dkofos]

3. I would stand with them also

This is an illegal war.
You have the right to refuse to fight.

[Downtown Hound]

7. Yeah

The whole support the troops craze is really just a scare tactic to make people afraid to speak out. If we really did support the troops, they wouldn't be over there dying and getting maimed. There's a difference between supporting the troops and blaming them for the fact that there's a war. I don't blame them, but I do fault the ones that go to it with religious gusto or the ones that commit atrocities.

What are the deserters getting if they refuse to go, something like six months or a year in jail? What's that compared to not dying or killing innocent human beings? Not much, if you ask me. I'd do a year in a heartbeat if that meant I didn't have to kill people that have never done me any wrong.

[riverwalker]

8. Agree, and include Specialist Darby

the whistle blowing soldier of Abu Ghraib. He saw what was going on and said "I knew it was wrong and had to do something". He KNEW it was wrong. Not, "well, I thought it was weird, but we had orders, and who am I to stop it?". Not, "I didn't like it but everyone was doing it". Not, "I could get in trouble if I object." Or any other number of gutless rationalizations we in this country are known for. This young man simply felt "I KNEW it was WRONG and had to do something."
That's what a hero does.