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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:09 PM
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will we have POTUS talking of cutting/running - but with different verbs?
How soon after 1/20 will we have POTUS talking of cutting/running - but with different verbs!

Stratfor.com http://www.stratfor.info/Story.neo?storyId=241687 pessimistic analysis suggests the U.S. should withdraw its troops to the periphery and allow national processes, i.e., a civil war, to take place. Stratfor claims that every single attempt by the U.S. to rebuild an institution of government or security has been thwarted by insurgents, and since there is no appetite to send an additional 100,000 troops to the country, the status quo will not lead to a safer/freer country.

All of which leads to the NYT's Sanger/Schmitt article below


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/politics/10policy.html?hp&ex=1105419600&en=e461bbde941d55d3&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Hot Topic: How U.S. Might Disengage in Iraq
By DAVID E. SANGER and ERIC SCHMITT

ASHINGTON, Jan. 9 - Three weeks before the election in Iraq, conversation has started bubbling up in Congress, in the Pentagon and some days even in the White House about when and how American forces might begin to disengage in Iraq.

So far it is mostly talk, not planning. The only thing resembling a formal map to the exit door is a series of Pentagon contingency plans for events after the Jan. 30 elections. But a senior administration official warned over the weekend against reading too much into that, saying "the Pentagon has plans for everything," from the outbreak of war in Korea to relief missions in Africa.

The rumblings about disengagement have grown distinctly louder as members of Congress return from their districts after the winter recess, and as military officers try to game out how Sunni Arabs and Shiites might react to the election results. The annual drafting of the budget is a reminder that the American presence in Iraq is costing nearly $4.5 billion a month and putting huge strains on the military. And White House officials contemplate the political costs of a second term possibly dominated by a nightly accounting of continuing casualties.

By all accounts, President Bush has not joined the conversation about disengagement so far, though a few senior members of his national security team have. <snip>

Gen. Tommy R. Franks, who commanded the invasion of Iraq, said on the NBC News program "Today" on Dec. 9: "One has to think about the numbers. I think we will be engaged with our military in Iraq for, perhaps, 3, 5, perhaps 10 years."

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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:11 PM
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1. Is civil war pretty much guaranteed if we pull out?
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:16 PM
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3. I think civil war is guaranteed ...
pass the beer nuts.

The difference is whether the AWOL chimp decides to leave our soldiers in the middle of it to die.

We need to get the FUCK out of Iraq now.

Cheers
Drifter
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:15 PM
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2. WillPitt Had A Bit On His Blog RE: Junior Not Allowing Any Bad News
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 01:15 PM by cryingshame
to reach his ears.

So the short answer is NO.

The long answer is also NO.

I hear they're putting together Death Squads, maybe that will work.

:cry:


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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:20 PM
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4. I Think We'll Always Have To Guard The Oil Infrastructure
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b... Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:21 PM
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5. well if he did...
...it would be another broken campaign promise.

oh, sorry, he's a man that keeps his word and delivers on it.

i can very easily see him declaring victory and getting out soon after the elections. if the news then dies down and iraq stops making front page news, then it will be a success in his mond, and he'll tell you all about how great a job they did.

on the other hand,
i can very well see this taking forever. are we going to just leave without a permanent military presence in the mid-east? i have a hard time believing that.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:38 PM
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6. He will declare victory and use a bogus threat to reposition our troops.
Please. Like he's not predictable after these last 4 years.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:48 PM
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7. Exactly! We'll set up a base in the south and try to control ...
the southern oil fields. I think they're hoping the Turks will take over the north and leave the rest of the country to be divided by Syria and Iran.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:51 PM
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8. Rums & Cheney are probably negotiatiing w/ Syria & Iran now
in order to decide which gets Iraq & which gets invaded...
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:51 PM
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9. But ... but ... what about the oil?
Who will look after the oil, protect it, nurture it, give it the love it needs?
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