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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:34 PM
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Poll question: Do you want Howard as the Head of the DNC or the '08 candidate?
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:34 PM
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1. Pity he can't be both... n/t
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:38 PM
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3. I agree, but I'll settle for one or the other.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:41 PM
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4. He can do both
Even if he only serves two years of a four year term as DNC chair it will be great. No one can stop him from running in '08 if he wants to. He can simply quit the DNC at that time. Now I agree that many will accuse him of making a pledge he didn't complete. We know Howard and what he can do. Those two years will have been worth it and he can say, that was really four years worth of party rebuilding for any other person. Time for me to move on to the more pressing job.

Sonia
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:38 PM
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23. According to posts below he can't do both
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:37 PM
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2. Mr. Grassroots, he'll whip this puppy into fighting shape.
At that point,who knows, maybe he'll get the nomination.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:42 PM
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5. Nopers...
He would not be able to make a bid for the presidency. He has to be DNC Chair for four years per some kind of contract. Just look it up if you don't believe me.. :evilgrin:

This is a really tough poll for this reason. I really wish that he could do both though... Guess I would want him as Chair to get this damn party back into the arena.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:48 PM
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9. Hey Stand and Fight, I do believe you.
I like the idea of a real contract for politicians (although it doesn't get me my twofer wish for Dean). In the Republic of Venice, the richest, most tolerant European nation for the longest period, they had an iron-clad contract for their selected leader, the "Doge." It spelled out every type of conflict of interest and corruption that the council selecting him could imagine. They made the leader sign it and held him firmly to every single term. Wonder why they were so successful? That's one reason.

I believe, very strongly, that every political representative and major appointee should have to sign a similarly drawn agreement prior to service. The penalty for clear violation could be immediate removal from office. haha. You gave me an idea to hawk, Thanks.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:28 PM
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22. You're very welcome.
Thanks for your constructive response!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:44 PM
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6. Both
I voted for Candidate Dean but I want him for both.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:46 PM
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7. both....
I at least want him in the '08 primaries to provide an honest politician's point of view. I suspect that he might not subject himself to that again, but the nation is poorer for that.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:48 PM
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8. Although he'd be a good DNC chair, his efforts might best be with just DFA
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 08:50 PM by zulchzulu
I go to DFA meetings and participate with those efforts and I've noticed people who support Dean that would prefer him to be strictly with the DFA. Having that strategy also opens his chances up to run in 2008 without the usual story that would come from that dilemna.

It seems to me that the DNC chair is more of a fundraiser type person that will be wrestling with all types of DNC Big-tenters rather than someone like Dean who could focus on more quality controlled candidates via the DFA.

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Todd B Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:53 PM
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12. I agree.
I'd much rather see him stick with Democracy for America. I think that it is a much better organization that reaches out to us rather then pandering to the corporations like the DNC tends to do. Plus, if he were to stay on board with DFA, he can still run in '08 and build a stronger progressive, grassroots Democratic party with DFA.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:54 PM
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13. Welcome to DU, Todd. Interesting point you made there. :^)
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Todd B Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:01 PM
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18. Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome! :hi:

I mean, with DFA we get meet up groups, blog posts by Dean himself, plus a strategic plan for electing progressive candidates to office .
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:48 PM
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10. I voted for DNC chair
Not only are his skills better used to whip the party into shape, but you can bet that if he's DNC chair, our candidate won't be a repub lite.

If someone like him doesn't become the DNC chair, we have very little chance of seeing him as the presidential candidate anyhow. Do you think a tim roemer would let Dr. Dean become candidate?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:49 PM
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11. Not likely to be pres nominee, but vice pres maybe...it is a toss up since
this national party needs a bottom up revolution and dean is the man with the IDEAS for the job and a base of people who will become very active.

however he will not likely be the pres nominee anyway as we just had a northeasterner..... Tho Dean is not likely to cave so soon.

so he could be a veep nominee. certainly would be more effective than the kid edwards IMO.

so I vote for DNC chair.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/howarddean2008.htm
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:57 PM
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14. Question is Moot
At least, according to Howard himself who says he will NOT run in '08 unless the party gets fixed because if it doesn't he doesn't believe any Dem can win.

He's got some great ideas for fixing the party, too --

Monday, December 06, 2004
Major Speech Wednesday
http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/005625.html
Democracy for America Executive Director, Tom McMahon, sent this email to DFA supporters this morning.

Governor Dean will lay out a vision for the future of the Democratic Party this Wednesday at 12 p.m. Eastern in Washington, D.C.

He will outline not just a direction for our party, but a concrete destination: a party built from the ground up.

That means a party powered by millions of small donors, not millionaires. It means a party that speaks plainly and commits to concrete outcomes that affect real people. And it means a party that competes in every single race, for every single vote, in all fifty states.

You can watch live video of the speech on Wednesday morning at the Democracy for America web site:

www.democracyforamerica.com

Be sure to join us for the live webcast on Wednesday at 12 p.m. Eastern. Thank you.

Tom McMahon
Executive Director
Democracy for America


P.S. -- Since I last wrote to you, about the need to protect every vote in the Washington Governor's race, over 15,000 small donations poured in to put the Washington Democratic Party over the top -- they raised enough money to pay for a full hand count and ensure that every vote counts.

Democratic candidate Christine Gregoire's campaign manager wrote a personal thank-you to the Democracy for America community. Read his letter and all the latest news at the blog: www.blogforamerica.com
Posted by Tom McMahon at 11:49 AM

SPEECH ------------------------------------------------
Published on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 by CommonDreams.org


The Future of the Democratic Party
by Howard Dean
Remarks made by Governor Howard Dean on the Future of the Democratic Party.
Given at The George Washington University on December 8, 2004
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1208-38.htm

Thank you for that introduction. It's a pleasure to be here.

Let me tell you what my plan for this Party is:

We're going to win in Mississippi
...and Alabama
...and Idaho
...and South Carolina.

Four years ago, the President won 49 percent of the vote. The Republican Party treated it like it was a mandate, and we let them get away with it.

Fifty one percent is not a mandate either. And this time we're not going to let them get away with it.

Our challenge today is not to re-hash what has happened, but to look forward, to make the Democratic Party a 50-state party again, and, most importantly, to win.

To win the White House and a majority in Congress, yes. But also to do the real work that will make these victories possible -- to put Democratic ideas and Democratic candidates in every office -- whether it be Secretary of State, supervisor of elections, county commissioner or school board member.

Here in Washington, it seems that after every losing election, there's a consensus reached among decision-makers in the Democratic Party is that the way to win is to be more like Republicans.

I suppose you could call that philosophy: if you didn't beat 'em, join them.

I'm not one for making predictions -- but if we accept that philosophy this time around, another Democrat will be standing here in four years giving this same speech. we cannot win by being "Republican-lite." We've tried it; it doesn't work.

The question is not whether we move left or right. It's not about our direction. What we need to start focusing on... is the destination.

There are some practical elements to the destination.

The destination of the Democratic Party requires that it be financially viable, able to raise money not only from big donors but small contributors, not only through dinners and telephone solicitations and direct mail, but also through the Internet and person-to-person outreach.

The destination of the Democratic Party means making it a party that can communicate with its supporters and with all Americans. Politics is at its best when we create and inspire a sense of community. The tools that were pioneered in my campaign -- like blogs, and meetups, and streaming video -- are just a start. We must use all of the power and potential of technology as part of an aggressive outreach to meet and include voters, to work with the state parties, and to influence media coverage.

The most practical destination is winning elective office. And we must do that at every level of government. The way we will rebuild the Democratic Party is not from consultants down, but from the ground up.

We have some successes to build on. We raised more money than the RNC, and we did so by attracting thousands of new small donors. This is the first time in my memory that the DNC is not coming out of a national campaign in debt. We trained tens of thousands of new activists. We put together the most sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation our Party has ever had. We registered millions of new voters, including a record number of minority and young voters. And we saw those new voters overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

Now we need to build on our successes while transforming the Democratic Party into a grassroots organization that can win in 50 states.

I have seen all the doomsday predictions that the Democratic Party could shrink to become a regional Party. A Party of the Northeast and the Pacific Northwest.

We cannot be a Party that seeks the presidency by running an 18-state campaign. We cannot be a party that cedes a single state, a single District, a single precinct, nor should we cede a single voter.

As many of the candidates supported by my organization Democracy for America showed -- people in places that we've too long ignored are hungry for an alternative; they're hungry for new ideas and new candidates, and they're willing to elect Democrats.

Since we started Dean for America last March, we raised over $5 million, mostly from small donors. That money was given to 748 candidates in 46 states and at every level of government.

We helped a Democratic governor get elected in Montana and a Democratic mayor get elected in Salt Lake County, Utah.

We helped Lori Saldana in San Diego. Lori, a Latina grassroots environmental organizer was outspent in both the primary and the general, won a seat on the state assembly.

We also helped Anita Kelly become the first African-American woman elected to her circuit court in Montgomery Alabama.

Fifteen of the candidates who we helped win last month never ran for elective office before.

And in Texas, a little known candidate who had been written off completely ran the first competitive race against Tom Delay in over a decade.

There are no red states or blue states, just American states. And if we can compete at all levels and in the most conservative parts of the country, we can win ... at any level and anywhere.

People will vote for Democratic candidates in Texas, and Alabama, and Utah if we knock on their door, introduce ourselves, and tell them what we believe.

There is another destination beyond strong finances, outreach, and campaigns.

That destination is a better, stronger, smarter, safer, healthier America.

An America where we don't turn our back on our own people.

That's the America we can only build with conviction.

When some people say we should change direction, in essence they are arguing that our basic or guiding principles can be altered or modified.

They can't.

On issue after issue, we are where the majority of the American people are.

What I want to know is at what point did it become a radical notion to stand up for what we believe?

Over fifty years ago, Harry Truman said, "We are not going to get anywhere by trimming or appeasing. And we don't need to try it."

Yet here we are still making the same mistakes.

Let me tell you something: there's only one thing Republican power brokers want more than for us to lurch to the left -- and that's for us to lurch to the right.

What they fear most is that we may really begin fighting for what we believe -- the fiscally responsible, socially progressive values for which Democrats have always stood and fought.

I'll give this to Republicans. They know the America they want. They want a government so small that, in the words of one prominent Republican, it can be drowned in a bathtub.

They want a government that runs big deficits, but is small enough to fit into your bedroom.

They want a government that is of, by, and for their special interest friends.

They want a government that preaches compassion but practices division.

They want wealth rewarded over work.

And they are willing to use any means to get there.

In going from record surpluses to record deficits, the Republican Party has relinquished the mantle of fiscal responsibility.

And now they're talking about borrowing another $2 trillion to take benefits away from our Senior Citizens.

In going from record job creation to record job loss, they have abandoned the mantle of economic responsibility.

In cutting health care, education, and community policing programs... and in failing to invest in America's inner cities, or distressed rural communities... they certainly have no desire to even claim the mantle of social responsibility.

In their refusal to embrace real electoral reform or conduct the business in government in the light of day, they are hardly the model of civic responsibility.

In their willingness to change the rules so that their indicted leaders can stay in power, they have even given up any claim on personal responsibility.

And in starting an international conflict based on misleading information, I believe they have abdicated America's moral responsibility, as well.

There is a Party of fiscal responsibility... economic responsibility.... social responsibility... civic responsibility... personal responsibility... and moral responsibility.

It's the Democratic Party.

We need to be able to say strongly, firmly, and proudly what we believe.

Because we are what we believe.

And we believe every person in America should have access to affordable health care. It is wrong that we remain the only industrialized nation in the world that does not assure health care for all of its citizens.

We believe the path to a better future goes directly through our public schools. I have nothing against private schools, parochial schools and home schooling. Parents with the means and inclination should choose whatever they believe is best for their children. But those choices must never come at the expense of what has been -- and must always be -- the great equalizer in our society -- public education.

We believe that if you put in a lifetime of work, you have earned a retirement of dignity -- not one that is put at risk by your government or unethical business practices.

The first time our nation balanced its budget, it was Andrew Jackson, father of the Democratic Party, who did it. The last time our nation balanced its budget, it was Bill Clinton who did it. I did it every year as Governor. Democrats believe in fiscal responsibility and we're the only ones who have delivered it.

We believe that every single American has a voice and that it should be heard in the halls of power everyday. And it most certainly must be heard on Election Day. Democracies around the world look to us as a model. How can we be worthy of their aspirations when we have done enough to guarantee accurate elections for our own citizens.

We believe in a strong and secure America... And we believe we will be stronger by having a moral foreign policy.

We need to embrace real political reform -- because only real reform will pry government from the grasp of the special interests who have made a mockery of reform and progress for far too long.

The pundits have said that this election was decided on the issue of moral values. I don't believe that. It is a moral value to provide health care. It is a moral value to educate our young people. The sense of community that comes from full participation in our Democracy is a moral value. Honesty is a moral value.

If this election had been decided on moral values, Democrats would have won.

It is time for the Democratic Party to start framing the debate.

We have to learn to punch our way off the ropes.

We have to set the agenda.

We should not hesitate to call for reform -- reform in elections, reform in health care and education, reforms that promote ethical business practices. And, yes, we need to talk about some internal reform in the Democratic Party as well, and I'll be discussing that more specifically in the days ahead.

Reform is the hallmark of a strong Democratic Party.

Those who stand in the way of reform cannot be the focus of our attention for only four months out of every four years.

Reform is a daily battle.

And we must pursue those reforms with conviction -- every day, at all levels, in 50 states.

A little while back, at a fundraiser, a woman came up to me. She identified herself as an evangelical Christian from Texas. I asked her what you are all wondering -- why was she supporting me. She said there were two reasons. The first was that she had a child who had poly-cystic kidney disease, and what that illness made it impossible for their family to get health care.

The second thing she said was, "The other reason we're with you is because evangelical Christians are people of deep conviction, and you're a person of deep conviction. I may not agree with you on everything, but what we want more than anything else from our government is that when something happens to our family or something happens to our country -- it's that the people in office have deep conviction."

We are what we believe. And the American people know it.

And I believe that over the next two... four... ten years...

Election by election...

State by state...

Precinct by precinct...

Door by door...

Vote by vote...

We're going to lift our Party up...

And we're going to take this country back for the people who built it.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:57 PM
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15. I didn't support him for pres this past year, but would in '08..
.he was proven right on so many counts. I would support him with much enthusiasm for president in '08. But would also like to see him as head of DNC.
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:58 PM
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16. Transforming the party structure is the most important
to overall recovery of our democratic process right now. I think Dean can do that like no other. We have the ability to win nationwide easily with the right party structure and a more common sense, straight-forward message and I think he can bring that to pass. I don't know that about any of the other candidates.

For example, Martin Frost used to be my rep until Bush/Rove booted him out with redistricting. I think he's a great guy, really hates Bush and would do a great job at the DNC in normal times. But these are not normal times. We need someone who believes the party needs a massive change in structure, fundraising and attention to local parties, not just tweaking. Howard seems to the right man at the right time for the DNC.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:02 PM
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19. I agree. And we need him NOW. That's a big difference
for me.

I don't think we can afford to wait three years for his influence.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:19 PM
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20. Yes, I think I would like to see him as DNC chief first
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 08:59 PM
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17. I desperately dream of a Dean White House...
...but the Democratic party has become pathetic, and before we can get a Howard Dean in the White House or even as a nominee, we need a Howard Dean as the head of the party.
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Buck_Fush Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:26 PM
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21. I vote 4 the very capable Dean in any capacity he is willing to serve n/t
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:51 PM
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24. 100% Agreement Over Here!
08 is too long to wait for his taking over the reigns and turning our team around.
Let Howard worry about the presidency later, if he wants it.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:12 PM
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25. Without Dean in charge of the DNC.....
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 10:14 PM by lojasmo
We will lose in 2006 and 2008. BANK ON IT.

That being said, I'd like Dean or someone like him as the candidate in 2008.

God help us, not another senator.

Please give us somebody who hasn't been busy licking Bush's boots to remain "electable"
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:17 PM
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26. Fixing this Party will take more than just one awesome candidate in '08
we need incredible candidates from all over running for every available office. we need the grassroots, out of the box type style that Dean provides...not just for the WH, but for the entire country. He gets people doing things they never thought possible...anything from writing letters to strangers in Iowa to holding monthly meetings to running for local offices. Dean got the bodies moving. The DNC needs that.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:21 AM
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27. i voted for 08 candidate but i, too, will take him in any capacity.
the situation looks so dire and we need a real fighter in there.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:24 AM
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28. Has he said definitely whether he will run for DNC chair?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 03:55 AM by imenja
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