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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:26 PM
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Do you consider yourself a "bush-hater"?
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 02:34 PM by MaineYooper
I did a search in the archives, and found a few old topics on this, but I'd like to see a fresh discussion of it. As the subject says, the question is:

Do you consider yourself to be a "Bush-hater"?

I ask because while I find the administration to be reprehensible and malfeasant in their policies, I try very hard to keep my criticisms on a professional level and base them on the policies and actions, rather than on either personality or style. I find that I don't like his mannerisms, but I'm a lifelong northerner, and I've spent most of my adult life in either university or research settings, so his combination of Texas swagger, and alleged (more on that later) "plain speak" offend me, but Bill Clinton's style also bothered me, so I'm willing to admit that this is my bias. My point is that I could tolerate Bush's presentation style if the policies and actions behind it weren't (in my opinion) so dangerous and wrong-headed.

This speaks volumes to the just released article (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1149389) in which Bush is now willing to admit that his words, or presentation style may have hurt our diplomatic efforts (duh!). This is highly reminiscent of his acceptance speech at the Repub convention this summer, in which some argued he used some self-effacing humor to poke fun at himself. The problem with this assessment is that if you go back and look at what he said, as with the current situation, the only errors he's willing to admit to are those of style. There's never a hint that any of his actions or policies (or those of his administration) are wrong; it's just that because he's "plain spoken (insert annoying chuckle here)", he doesn't do as well at communicating as he should. I'm afraid that I don't see this as self-effacing at all, and as I said above, as much as I find his style annoying, I could tolerate it if his policies weren't so frightening.

There is another, probably more serious, issue here, as well. (And one that was brought up in the past in other threads/posts) The right/conservative crowd (and by extension, their voices in the MSM) essentially are trying to minimize or discount our criticisms of this president and administration, by writing it off as "hatred." This reduces our complaints to irrational attacks, rather than valid criticisms/complaints. If it's just hatred, then there's no validity, and no reason to look closely to see if there is any substance to the criticism.

I guess for this reason, I'd recommend that we bend over backwards in our fights/arguments with the freeper (and associated) crowds to base the criticism on actions rather than style. I realize that it's difficult to do when the attacks coming at us are often vitriolic streams of bile, but there have always been (and continue to be) staggeringly vast reasons to criticize this president/administration on actions and policies without resorting to attacks on the man himself.

I'm interested to hear other comments/opinions.


(edited for some grammatical and style(!) changes)
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:27 PM
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1. I can't stand looking at him, listening to him, hearing about him ....
so what would that mean???? I really do not like this man and who and what he represents.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:32 PM
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12. Thanks for saving me the time writing about this fraud as a human. I HATE
his nonexistent guts.
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captainslack Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:27 PM
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2. I'll put it this way
I decided who I was voting for in 2004 right after Al Gore conceded the 2000 election.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:27 PM
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3. Bush hater checking in!
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gtp1976 Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:29 PM
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5. No, but...
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 02:29 PM by gtp1976
...I don't necessarily agree with his policies.

Edit: should have responded to the original. My mistake.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:32 PM
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13. Another Bush-hater! I think his "plain-spokenness" is a media creation
He's a babbling fucking idiot who is only skilled at talking about baseball.
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Meme Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:39 PM
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20. ditto
I hate him. The way he laughs makes me sick. There´s blood on his hands. He is a murderer. So I hate a murderer. I can live with that. Problem is he has kids, and a wife. I can´t figure out if that should make me hate him even more (because he is killing the kids, wives and husbands in a stupid war), or that makes him more human and just really really really stupid, so I should hate him less. But for now I´m just gonna stick with hating him.
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:28 PM
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4. YES YES OH YES!
Hate is not a strong enough word.
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bobweaver Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:29 PM
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6. Hate binds you emotionally to that which you hate, so say the Buddhists
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. yes but emotions are what distinguish us as humans
not ready to be a bodidharma yet.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:02 PM
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36. Actually, It's the Ability To HARNESS & CONTROL Our Emotions
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 03:02 PM by cryingshame
that make us "Human".
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 05:30 PM
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60. well, I am a carefully controlled hater then
quite human. :evilgrin:

Actually, hate has connotations of being out of control and irrational, so glib answers aside, I think "despise" is closer to what I can rationalize.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:30 PM
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7. While I agree with a lot of what you say
I hate George Bush's fucking guts.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:30 PM
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8. i'm not a hater, i think he is a terrible president
but i have no hate for him, disgust maybe, not hate.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:31 PM
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10. While I do not advocate 'hating' anyone
...I make an exception for all the rethugs in this administration on one basis...the war in Iraq. The callous disregard for human life disgusts me. 100,000 and counting Iraqis dead, 30 times the amount that were killed on 9/11 and these people just don't seem to care at all. Add to that the Americans who have died and it makes my blood boil.

Additionally, his tax cuts have destroyed the economy. Now, I personally benefited from the tax cuts, but I gave the money to charity. I don't know many republicans who did that.

I despise the way he wears his Christianity on his sleeve. I am also a devout Christian, and I don't think his actions are very Christ-like at all. He has no regard for anyone who isn't in the same tax bracket. The NCLB act is a complete fraud, and his raping and pillaging of the environment will be disastrous in the coming years.

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LwOrder4 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:31 PM
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11. I don't do
hate. Bad Karma.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:37 PM
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18. Agreed
Personal contempt? Absolutely.

Disgust with Administration policies? Oh, yeah.

Resentment at the blatant illegalities practiced by this Administration? Bet your ass.

But not hate. Aside from the Karmic payback, hate just takes way too much energy- and my energy can be put to better use.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #18
59. I think that qualifies as hate, I'm afraid

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. Same here
Hate poisons the soul.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
37. Agreed, Why Waste The Energy
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:33 PM
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14. I struggle with this.
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 02:33 PM by Pacifist Patriot
As a UU, I affirm and promote the inherent worth and value of every person.

As a minister, I try to set an example by internalizing and living that principle.

As a human being, I detest the man. Well actually, "fear him" would probably be a better verb phrase.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:34 PM
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15. understatement.
He is revolting.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:34 PM
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16. While we are at it, I hate about every republican politician and voter
Their politicians are schemers and their voters are either ignorant or selfish. They can all go to Hell.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:44 PM
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22. Ignorant or Selfish...reminds me of my dad's old saying...
If you're a republican you are either rich or stupid.

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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:32 PM
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69. your reply was the ....
first time i outright laughed in this discussion group. an intellectual friend of mine who grew up in west texas told me my problem was that i thought i could reason with everyone. referring to bush 1 he said the only way to treat these people is like cattle, take a board to their head. these are hateful people they have earned this hatred. their constituents are every bit as nasty. thanks for your honesty.
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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:35 PM
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17. I hate him.
But I do keep the criticisms to his policies,actions and lies.Although I make fun of the way he talks, oh I guess I call him an idiot quite often, but only with other Bush haters.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:43 PM
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21. I loathe the bastard....
Utterly.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:46 PM
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23. Not a simple question
I loathe the man with the heat of a thousand burning suns but it's because I hate his policies and the arrogance with which he (and his administration) is damaging this country. I find this man to be the most dangerous president the US has ever had and pray daily for something to come to light that will get him impeached and / or arrested.

However, I try to stay away from making it personal - I don't make fun of his gaffs but I find them horribly embarrassing as he represents our country, I won't participate in the assassination of character by innuendo and gossip mongering but I'd pay for someone to prove those rumors true if it helped get him out of office.

Unfortunately, some are going to boil that down to hatred of him anyway and there's been little I can do to change that attitude - much like those who support him, I feel, will worship him regardless of the destruction and havoc he wreaks on this world.

One thing I've noticed about debating with Freepers etc. is that they're really good at using what they're guilty of against you. They HATED Clinton, so we must hate shrub. They resort to name calling and character assassination because the facts don't support them but yell foul when we support our positions with facts. The Dems tried to discuss policy using facts this last election cycle and were met with "flip flop flip flop". So, while I generally live my life in a way that "rises above" this pettiness, reality is it's the world we live in regardless of how well we conduct ourselves.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:52 PM
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28. I'd hate him regardless of his political position
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 02:52 PM by Union Thug
He's a spoiled rotten, arrogant, mean spirited, little rich prick whose entire life has been paved for him by his elite family.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:46 PM
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24. I don't know Bush
I can't hate someone I do not know. What Bush presents to people on stage is different than what he presents to people in his personal life. It's like movie acting. You can detest and deplore a person's policies, but unless you know that person intimately, you are not in a position to pass judgment on the personal nature of that person.

When you see Bush on screen and recoil in revulsion, what you're recoiling from is what he represents: His policies, not Bush the man. To say you hate him without really knowing him personally means you're simply projecting the man's public policies onto the man's private nature.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. I'd say his murderous, hateful policies
are a pretty good indicator of the kind of person he is.
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yinkaafrica Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:47 PM
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25. Hell yes! bush is the Anti-Christ on steroids
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pilgrimm Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:49 PM
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26. I hate the man
I hate his style, his character and I think there is a direct connection between them and the type of policies he pursues. With that being said, and with the exception of the occasional meltdown, I try to keep my hatred for the man to myself when I'm not with like minded people and try to focus on my disagreement with his policies.

On the other hand I have no problem with expressing my hatred for him when interacting with freeper types, they're just to far gone.
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:51 PM
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27. I don't hate the asshole
just feel disgusted and betrayed by him.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:53 PM
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29. "Hate" is a strong word
but it simply is not strong enough to express how I despise this evil man.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:54 PM
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31. I despise that trifling, feckless, mediocrity.
EOM
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:57 PM
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33. I despise this man more than any politician I can remember...
He is the epitome of everything with which I disagree. I do not plan to watch the Inauguration or the State of the Union speech. I have rediscovered the calming influence of music radio (and massage) in this time of extreme stress. Maybe I'll feel differently in two years when the next election comes up. Right now, I am tuned out to ANY political messages.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:14 PM
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41. That's pretty much how I feel.
Other than internet news, I can't stand to watch the nightly news or CNN, MSNBC, FAUX, etc.
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:09 AM
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80. "Despise" is the word I choose, also.
It has the connotation of being beneath contempt - so wretchedly horrible that the thing you despise is either not worth your time or is worth your full attention to sweep out of the way.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:56 PM
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32. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate that ignorant bastard more than words could ever express. I hate his looks,the way he acts,the way he mangles the English language,his phony laugh,his thirst for blood and killing people,his greed,his hunger for power,his phony "christianity" and using God for his personal gain,the way he LIES about everything,but most of all I hate that asswipe for his total contempt for poor people. If the rest of the repukes and the DINO's give him what he wants,there will be no more Social Security or any of the other programs that is a safety net for those who need help and have no other choice. I have never in my life seen a president so eager to destroy the very things that have been in place for decades that we have to depend on just to live.That is one bastard I hope burns in hell. If anyone deserves it,it's him. Phuck him and his trash that surrounds him. :grr:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #32
52. Excellent. -eom
:nuke:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:57 PM
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34. Hate's too strong for me to use personally....
...I tend to be more of this ---->:eyes:
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:57 PM
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35. Yes
He is the ONLY politician I have that visceral response to.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:06 PM
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38. I am a Bush-hater in the highest magnitude.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:08 PM
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39. Well, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire and there was no water.
:evilfrown:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:12 PM
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40. I DO!! ... Hate him for all he's done to hurt and embarass OUR country!!!
We will be cleaning up after this assclown (figuratively and literally), for generations.
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:16 PM
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42. I abhor the man...
I just disliked him until I realized last spring that his campaign stratagy was going to be to lie on the trail everyday.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:41 PM
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43. Well, when I hear him speak, I want to puke...is that hate?
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:54 PM
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44. Yep.
:thumbsup:
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:02 PM
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45. Yes. He is fighting an undeclared war on working Americans
I do hate him but he has earned every bit of it.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:03 PM
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46. Yes, I fucking hate, despise, abhor and detest that piece of excrement.
He is one of the most odious and repugnant people that I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing in my life. I really hope he gets what he deserves a thousandfold.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:05 PM
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47. Oh, hell yes!
I despise him.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:06 PM
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48. Not exactly hate -
that's not the right word. It's like a sixth sense or something; there are people who, without knowing personally, make the hair on my neck bristle; red flags go up. It's like that with Bush - I FEEL something inherently rotten within him - can't stand to look at him or hear him speak.
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Revillusion1 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:06 PM
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49. Absolutely...without question.
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JoshK Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:08 PM
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50. That would be putting it mildly. n/t
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:11 PM
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51. No. Hate is unreasoning.
I don't hate Shrub, but I consider
him to be a dangerous simpleton.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:22 PM
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53. No hate from me...
I will just never understand how he has been
able to fool so many people for so long.

I have been called a "Bush Hater" at other forums.
I figure they have to resort to that to justify
their own steadfast belief in this idiot. To see
him as he is and admit it, would be to admit their
own poor judgment, to say the least.
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angel54321 Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:35 PM
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55. Dont hate Bush but
only because I dont think he is the REAL one running the country. Cheney is the commander in chief calling the shots. :puke: Bush is being used as the puppet in charge. Come on, he's too dumb to be call the President, therefore I dont. When he's on the news, I turn the channel faster than you can blink.Tune him out. Feels good. Outta try it.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:30 PM
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54. Yes, and no qualms about it from me.
Bush has earned every bit of my hatred. Mostly for the war in Iraq and all the deaths and mutilation he is responsible for. That tops the list and the rest of the reasons follow close behind.

Hating Bush is next to sainthood compared to the things he's done.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:37 PM
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56. No n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:39 PM
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57. YES I HATE THAT SICK F***
He stole the elections, trashed the economy, started an illegal war, is getting our soldiers and Iraqi civilians KILLED FOR NOTHING; he is trying to trash America's future - WHAT'S NOT TO HATE????????
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:49 PM
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58. I can't really say I hate anyone
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 04:50 PM by FlaGranny
in this world. What I feel for the "president" is an extreme contempt - for him as a person and for everything he believes in.

I really don't believe I have ever felt hatred for anyone. My usual reaction to a dispicable person is revulsion.

I believe hatred is a self-consuming emotion - harms the hater but not the hated. Since I have never felt self-consumed by emotion, I don't think I have ever experienced it (edit: except possibly fleetingly).
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 05:40 PM
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61. I pretty much hate everything about him, in fact, I can't think of a
single thing about him that I don't hate. Guess that makes me a bush** hater. I don't have a problem with that.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 05:49 PM
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62. I TRY NEVER TO USE THAT WORD
But I severely dislike him AND his policies. It's his arrogance that turns me off! And I can barely stand to see him walk!

I think he perfected that "cock of a walk" to support his ARROGANCE!

Policies aside, which I rarely can comprehend, I don't really find him very engaging. And I have never been able to see why others think he to be so personable. I haven't seen that side.

Remember the debates?? Nothing too likeable there. That's why I call him El-Smirkle-Roy or Boy King!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 05:57 PM
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63. I CANT stand the man
Hate is a harsh word, but I've never felt this way about another president.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 06:09 PM
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64. For me, the word 'loathe' is not strong enough
And that loathing is backed up by the harm that man and his administration have done to this country and to the world. It only begins at war crimes, torture, and the wholesale slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people.

And the thing I hate most about him? He made me ashamed to be an American.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 07:00 PM
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65. Can't stand to look at or listen to him
I don't hate him, because I don't know him. That said he has not done anything I agree with the last 4 years. I think he is a spoiled rotten brat, personality wise. He is the worst president in my lifetime. But hate him, no.
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HeatherG. Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:06 PM
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66. Sometimes I Feel Sparks of Hate
Most of the time I just feel repulsed by him. When I first saw him on tv I felt immediately that he had a strong sense of entitlement about him. He is too confident. He acts the way someone would if they had been given everything they wanted all of their life. I find him somewhat physically repulsive too. His eyes are too close together, and he has a neanderthal brow. He swaggers like he thinks he is hot. I have stopped listening to him now for the most part. I just mute the volume on the tv when he comes on. I wouldn't mind if the idiot was happy or not the rest of his life as long as he was no longer president. That is why I don't think my feelings truly classify as hate.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:22 PM
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67. Hate is a strong word....all I can say is that he has a "unique" effect...
on me. Despite my loathing of Nixon, Reagan, Qualye, Gingrich, only our current fearful leader inspires such a visceral negative response - can't listen to him, can't watch him. Maybe total disgust is better than hate as a descriptor..
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pdxmike Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:29 PM
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68. I guess I should be concerned abot karma and all that
And I know I should be "above hate" and all that.


But I truly despise these nuts. I hate the enableing media. I hate the Demos that are willing to be complicit in the rape of our country. God help me, but I feel that our country is truly nuts.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:39 PM
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70. I hate his policies
I don't him well enough to hate him,
but I have a feeling if I did know him well enough, I'd hate him.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:39 PM
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71. I wouldn't piss on Dubya if he was on fire...
I hate his face, his voice, his stupid swagger, his bullshit, his ignorance, his lies, his Vice President, his National Security Advisor...

I hate Bush more than I have ever hated anyone in my whole life. I never knew that I was capable of this much hate.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:43 PM
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72. some say george bush is beneath contempt. i say he's on top of the pile
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 11:44 PM by kodi
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ComingTogether Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:49 PM
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73. I hate most everything he has done
but I have to see myself in him.....maybe just a small small bit
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:54 PM
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74. Ain't no time to hate
barely time to wait....'till 08!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:42 AM
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75. Let it be discounted as hatred, conspiracy therory or anything else, but
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 12:43 AM by rumpel
* and his camp has done so much damage, caused so much suffering, around the globe, only offered phoney help when it was a good photo op for his own propaganda, I think we have to send him back to be reassembled as a soul.
These people are like maggotts, seeking out the dying, unknowing and weak for their own personal benefit.

Yes, i hate them, but as a buddhist, I am going to chant for their happiness. (enlightenment)
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:46 AM
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76. btw, this enlightenment appear not to be able to come for hundreds of
lifetime of suffering, Cause & Effect.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:48 AM
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77. Yes
I'm not gonna lie.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 02:28 AM
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78. Weird.
I hated Nixon then as much as I hate the chimp now. But the chimp is so much more of a little punk. It's kind of like like he's almost beneath contempt.

Gyre
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Bride of Cthulhu Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 02:56 AM
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79. extreme bush hater checking in
n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:14 AM
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81. I hate ALL republicans- not just Bush
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 03:16 AM by depakid
It's gotten to the point where if ANYONE chooses to be a Republican, it's evidence of a serious character flaw and a complete lack of basic human morality.

Republicans- all of them- have no integrity, no honor, no respect for laws or traditions, they are ALL fundamentally dishonest if not downright corrupt, they are willing to sell out their parents and their children- undermine science and education- crash the economy- degrade the environment- and tirelessly promote suffering here and abroad- all to line their own overflowing pockets or further their bigotry.

So you bet I hate them- each and every one of them- every bit as much as I hate Nazi's.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:15 AM
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82. Look up "Richard Sanborn" and ask me the same question.
Please.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:27 AM
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83. Yep, sorry, hate is the word
I can count on one hand the number of people I've met in life who I've hated "on sight". Bush** was one of them, back during his first campaign in 2000. I forced myself to put that aside and listen to what he had to say. For that reason alone my vote went to Gore: I didn't agree with Bush**'s views. Since then, he's confirmed my gut instinct about him a hundred times over. What more can I say?
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 04:55 AM
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84. Absolutely! nt
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 04:59 AM
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85. I don't get it
I definitely hate him, but why do you equate hate with matters of style?

I don't hate him for his freedoms.
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 05:21 AM
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86. You'd like to see a fresh discussion on this?????
For everyone taking the bait and jumping in to boat, start thinking things through before you post.

A week before the parade, who do you think they are looking at? Where do you think they are looking?
Since DU made MSM as CT central, not just another forum anymore.

I know you guys are smarter than that. Mod's please remove this thread.
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:59 AM
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89. your point is taken
I underestimated the number of short responses that would hit my post. My post was not meant as a troll, but I really wanted to see what would come out, and was actually hopeful that there would be more longer and detailed posts.

I can say that I "hate" the actions of this administration and president. More than that I think that they're mind-bogglingly stupid and the wrong way to go running our country.

But at the same time, I'm trying to figure out how to distinguish my distaste and contempt for the man and his persona (which, to respond to an earlier post, is why I focused on matters of style and presentation) from problems with the actions that have been taken. I personally get rather annoyed when people try to assign motivations to my actions without knowing me- for instance, my criticisms have resulted in my being labeled "America hater," or "Bush-hater" So in return, I'm trying to focus on the tangible things (actions and consequences) rather than the intangible (motivations).

I realize it may be a fine semantic line to tread, but I'm trying to keep my criticisms (which are nearly all-encompassing) on the level of "here is the policy and here is what it's consequences are, and they are bad" instead of "Bush must hate poor people because he did this"

As I said above, I don't think I hate W, but I don't respect him at nearly any level. Based on his actions, words, and policies, I think he's either not very smart, or probably worse, intellectually very lazy (I vacillate on this, but am currently more inclined to believe intellectually lazy.) I also believe that his re-election campaign was driven by lies and misrepresentations at nearly every level.

I apologize if this thread becomes fodder for trolls and lurkers- it really was an attempt to open up a discussion. I have family members that I don't believe are stupid who support W, and I'm trying to find ways to discuss it with them, and the argument of "...these/you people just hate the president" has come up more than once, so I was trying to get a feeling for it.


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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:30 PM
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94. Hate is an emotion, and emotions are neither negative nor positive.
It's what we do with them -- and what we allow them to do to ourselves -- that matters.

Compare it to pain, which is just your body telling you that something's wrong. That's what hate is: It's the primal part of our minds telling us that something is dangerous. It's then up to us to apply our intellects and evaluate this primal urge and put it in proper perspective.

If we respond to that prompt by becoming politically active, by springing to the defense of our ideals, by fighting to preserve our families, communities and nation... well, then hatred has been put to a productive use.

It's natural to hate, that's why we evolved the capacity. I don't think anyone should be made to feel apologetic for hating Bush.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:14 PM
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99. What on earth are you talking about?
Now we have to be ashamed of hating Bush? What's next?

The guy is rotten. I hate him. If the MSM is reading, they can quote me.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:01 AM
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87. No, I reserve my hate for very few people and things
I strongly strongly disagree with him, think he's the worst President we've had since Reagan, Hoover, or ever and wish he would be out of office as soon as possible for America's sake.
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Ms_Mary Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:32 AM
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88. I don't hate. I can't say anything positive about him, though.
I can't think of one single good thing he has done as president. I can't think of one single reason why he should have been re-elected. I can't name anything positive he's done.
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:16 PM
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93. that's a good assessment
Your response is the sort that I was hoping to see, and is in pretty good agreement with my views. I really don't see much of any positive effect that this administration has had in four years, but hating him is a waste of my energies, and more to my original point, I don't think espousing hatred of him does any good in a pubic forum.

I know that * provokes very strong responses in many people, but I really believe it's in our best interest from a persuasion point of view to discuss it in as dispassionate terms as possible. Cold analytical assessment of failures is very effective at pointing out the massive incompetency that has been shown.
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 11:13 AM
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90. Absofuckinglutely
I can't stand to watch him on TV, see pictures of him, or listen to his voice. He can't be out of office too soon for me - preferably in jail.
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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 12:26 PM
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91. I don't hate the man
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 12:53 PM by Dees
but here is what I will say. I believe in my heart he is a drunken, coked up, lying, devious, diabolical, AWOL/deserting, cowardly, diseased, phony, lazy, failing, morbid, gross, inept, ignorant, classless, perverted, homophobic, hypocritical piece of stinking decaying garbage. But hate? Nah
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 01:03 PM
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92. THEY HATED CLINTON WITH A PASSION!
And how did they ultimately "shame" him? By resorting to PERSONAL attacks! Repubs just spew, spew, spew their hatred everywhere. It's frustrating! "vitriolic streams of bile..." WOW! Great line!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 02:01 PM
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95. I don't hate him, just his guts.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:08 PM
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96. I think I should avoid..
saying what the Christian right often says - to hate the actions, not the person. George Bush, unlike my house cleaner, doesn't seem to be a good person with a serious personality flaw. So while I don't like to use the word hate, I do detest him with all my being!
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franmarz Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:18 PM
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97. About the question--Bush Hater--
There is no reason for me to hate someone that I know only by publicity. He seems to be a person with not too much IQ over the average, but he has supporters, and many of them are people with power. There is nothing that the average person can do about the tainted election, or some of the new laws being put into place, so the only thing to do is wait, for a new opportunity to elect a new president, if we still have that right in 4 more years. He is certainly safe in his position right now, as no one would like to see Cheney step up to the office. Lets all hope for the best.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 10:00 PM
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98. I consider myself to be a Bush hater...
you can tell by my collection of political books that I extremely dislike G.W. Bush, Neo-cons, and Republicans...Heck with titles such as "The Bush-Hater's Handbook", "The I Hate Republicans Reader" and "The Bush Survival Bible" of course I dislike like them. Plus at sight of those who are members of Bush&Co.(especially Bush and Rove)I make rude comments and get a weird feeling for the need to beat the crap out of them.
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:18 AM
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100. Sometimes, I think I hate Bush....
but you know what? The jerk isn't worth hating. Hating Bush would take too much effort on my part. It would eat me all up inside and wouldn't affect him one bit.

Even if I did hate Bush, I'm still the type of person who just cares more about people being better off. So, if Bush comes up with something that I like, I'll support it.

Don't you all dare call me a freeper for saying that. Even Kerry went along with Bush on things he liked (most more often than I ever would).
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:42 AM
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101. I hate all Fascists & in this case the Jack boots fit...
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 12:43 AM
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102. No. I consider myself a freedom-lover.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:06 AM
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103. I can be objective most of the time, but Bush has taught me to "hate" him.
I've never despised any President so viscerally, not even Nixon. And I really wanted to rip Nixon's heart out.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 01:09 AM
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104. YES, bigtime. SBVT is what did it for me. n/t
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