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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:41 PM
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How far are Republicans willing to go with Bush ?
Since Dubya doesn't have to run for re-election, there are few electoral consequences for him personally in regards to his ideas and policy decisions. However, most of the Repub Congressmen and Senators will want to run for re-election. They are the ones to suffer the consequences if there is any sort of backlash. That is in the back of most of their minds. How far do they go with this joker? How will they know if they have gone too far?

Certainly Social Secuirty is one of those issues that most must feel like it is a gamble for them, if not for the Boy Emperor. How much are they willing to sacrifice?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:42 PM
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1. They're in bed with him, so all the way seems likely
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unibill13 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:47 PM
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4. don't mess with SS
if they have any sense of self preservation they will get off the social security bandwagon. This along with any attempt to harm Medicare, is that the right one? Fooling with the elderly could destroy the republicans. Everyone knows the elderly vote and most of them aren't thinking way down the line.....
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:48 PM
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5. Welcome to DU. I agree it's the third rail, but the dadburned Repubs spin
their plans and make them sound SO good to people who just aren't thinking.

*Siiigh*

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:25 PM
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14. Hi unibill13!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 07:08 PM
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19. Bush already has outlined his strategy for deceiving and manipulating
the public about his plan for changing Social Security.
Social Security Push to Tap the GOP Faithful
Campaign's Tactics Will Drive Appeal

By Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, January 14, 2005; Page A06

President Bush plans to reactivate his reelection campaign's network of donors and activists to build pressure on lawmakers to allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in the stock market, according to Republican strategists.

White House allies are launching a market-research project to figure out how to sell the plan in the most comprehensible and appealing way, and Republican marketing and public-relations gurus are building teams of consultants to promote it, the strategists said.

The campaign will use Bush's campaign-honed techniques of mass repetition, never deviating from the script and using the politics of fear to build support -- contending that a Social Security financial crisis is imminent when even Republican figures show it is decades away.

Bush aides said that in addition to mobilizing the Republican faithful and tapping the power of business, they plan to target minority voters who have not been able to afford to save and might be open to the argument that the president's plan would turn them into investors. The campaign will also court younger voters, including many Democrats, who would potentially benefit the most from the change.

. . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7797-200...


Note that Bushfuck the Liar and his minions now are so arrogant that they are openly boasting of intending to use "the politics of fear" to manipulate the public.

By the way, the article describes the democratic party as
"scrambling to organize in the face of a multimillion-dollar juggernaut, have yet to settle on any particular counterargument but said they believe Bush's rollout of the idea has been rocky and new details will give them more ammunition."


So while the republican party already has a well developed strategy and is doing market research and building teams of consultants to promote Bush's plan, the democratic party have yet to develop a strategy. Democrats need to make a much greater effort if they are to have any effect at all on Bush's plan. Democrats need at least a preliminary strategy which can be implemented immediately even if the entire strategy can not be developed until later.

At a minimum, Democrats should be educating the public about the actual facts concerning the financial condition of the Social Security program. An astonishing number of people, especially younger people, think that the Social Security program, if left unchanged, will be unable to pay any benefits at all in the future. Democrats need to correct that misimpression. Democrats also should be talking about the fact that the republicans have announced that they intend to use misinformation, campaign style rallies and tactics, and the "politics of fear" to persuade people to support Bush's plan.

Democrats also should be doing some market research, including some focus group research which includes both people who support Bush's plan and people who oppose it. Because Bush is keeping the details of his plan secret, democrats should be polling Bush followers and other supporters of private accounts to learn more about the expectations of those people so that the criticisms of the plan can be tailored to weaken support for Bush's plan. They also should be preparing to talk about the information concerning the performance of the federal government employee Thrift Savings Plan. Many of Bush's followers think that his plan will allow thenm to get rich. Democrats need to be prepared to crush those expectations when Bush finally reveals the details of his secret plan.




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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:45 PM
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2. I've wondered this myself.
Bush is in it for the big payoff. He's got a bundle to give his pals in fees, inflated stock prices, manipulation potential with the Social Security private account scam. He doesn't really care what happens to the Republican Party. I hope they drive over the cliff with him. All he has to do is keep advancing this and they're screwed. Recent polls show the elderly about 70-30 opposed to this. Even Republican stacked AARP did a real quick turn around on this.

Bush doesn't care! Why should he, he's delivered the goods. Big bonus for the whole cartel.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:47 PM
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3. How far? Did you see Thelma and Louise? That far, only...
all of us are riding along with him.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:56 PM
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6. I don't know. Our state hose monkey, Ted Stevens, is wailing
about not having the votes for ANWAR and for the budget crap he wants. They are bracing, the repigs, for an opposition. If he says it, count on it.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 03:38 PM
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15. Hose Monkey, Rogue Valley
I like that. It has a nice ring and certainly fits. Ironic how they were saying that the only way to get ANWR through was to elect Lisa .... now that she's won, they're backing off. Lies, lies and more lies.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 09:58 PM
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7. The GOP is like the Mafia - Bush is only a small part.
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 10:01 PM by TwentyFive
The Bush crime family is only following orders that have been decided within the GOP Mafia. Hillary called it the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. She was very accurate.

I don't think any of us knows who controls this Mafia syndicate. I doubt there is one 'Godfather' at the helm - it is probably a cabal of thinkers and organizers.

So, to answer your question, Bush is only front man for the syndicate. The Mafia has given him the ideas to push. If the ideas fail, Bush will go down with them...and the syndicate will develop new ideas.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 10:19 PM
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8. As they say,
"Sixty million lemmings can't be wrong." :-)
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 10:57 PM
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9. Those who rode in on his coattails owe him a lot,
and would benefit from his campaigning for them in the future. I'm thinking of the ones who won relatively close victories in red states - Mel Martinez being a good example. Republicans who won by huge margins in red states can probably manage without major Bush support, and Republicans who won in blue states obviously outperformed him.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:08 PM
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11. Unless, of course he ends up on trial for war crimes and treason.
If the pressure grows more and more, it may occur.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 10:58 PM
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10. I'd like to make a list of the Olympia Snows, the Lincoln Chaffes
Is it Chaffes?

Anyway,

I'd like to know what moderate republicans are still out there. And now Bush ass kissers like Pataki, but the ones who have in some way, no matter how minuscule, stood up the the necons.

Snow
Chaffe
Todd Whitman
Powell
McCain
Hagel?

Most important, which ones are pro choice and pro gay. Which ones have shown some inkling for respecting separation of church and state.
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 05:25 PM
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17. Hmmm, thinking....
Maybe John Warner of VA? I think he took steps to prevent Ollie North from winning a VA Senate seat a few years ago. Also, I think he intervened in a primary race to knock-out a RW nut-job who wanted to be Governor.

I wouldn't put a ? next to Hagel. He supported McCain in '00 Rep primary and has spoken out about Bush's stupidity in Iraq.

There are others, but I can't remember their names.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:09 PM
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12. They'd better back off on privatizing Social Security.

They may be able to con a bunch of young GOPunks into thinking they'll be better off "investing their own money" but the rest of us are older and wiser.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:20 PM
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13. Did you watch the run up to the election? I suspect that they are....
willing to go so far up his ass that they will all start pouring out of his mouth.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 04:56 PM
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16. they'll go to armageddon with the little bushturd
most of them can't wait for it
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 06:44 PM
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18. Bush's followers are devout and rabid.
They will unleash their torrents of hatred on their own elected republican office holders if those office holders dare oppose any Bush proposal (except the guest worker program).
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 08:58 PM
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20. Sing along: "When somebody loves you, it's no good unless he loves you ...
ALL THE WAY!!!"

Ug. He fuck the poor. Ug. He cut my taxes. Ug. Me love'm Georgie man.

Force the fight about Social Security, and we'll have a very good chance of taking back the House in '06.

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