Nuremburg

[JDPriestly]

We just finished watching the 2000 movie, Nuremburg. It's very relevant. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. If you saw it before 9/11 and Iraq, you might want to watch it again.

[theresistance]

1. The Nazis were convicted of basically the sames things

that the Bush administration has done. For example the first three counts at Nuremberg: 1) Conspiracy to wage aggressive war; 2) A crime against peace: the planning, preparation, initiation and waging of a war of aggression; 3) War crimes

[JDPriestly]

3. Of course, Guantanamo

is not at all comparable to the NAZI concentration camps, but it is a step, albeit a small one, in that direction. Inmates do not have the advice of counsel, they are not told of what precise crime they are accused, etc.

[Tigress DEM]

5. OK, minus the showers that kill...but bigger than a small step...

From: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0106-26.htm

Take, for example, this account, offered by an unnamed F.B.I. counterterrorism official reporting in August, more than three months after the Abu Ghraib images appeared, on what he saw during a visit to Guantánamo:

"On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more...When I asked the M.P.'s what was going on, I was told that interrogators from the day prior had ordered this treatment, and the detainee was not to be moved. On another occasion...the detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his own hair out throughout the night...."

[Tigress DEM]

4. Didn't see the movie, but...

I think Naomi Klein made a good case for War Crimes

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1204-05.htm

Good site too.

[bipolarity1]

2. "I was just following orders" defense didn't

work for the Nazi's either.