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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:30 PM
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RANT: If Dean becomes DNC Chair, not only will I donate...
...I will take out a f***king monthly subscription!

I supported Kerry from the time he declared his candidacy. I was never a Deanite because I thought he'd get stomped in the general election. In hindsight, I believe I made a terrible mistake.

Dean is a Democrat who, more than any save Barbara Boxer, will stand up and tell the truth as he sees it. He's not perfect...but he may well be the very best our party has to offer.

Roemer, McAulliffe, and most of the others will only be more of the same corporate types who think it's only about raising cash and gathering addresses. They are great at getting dollars and losing votes, and they are completely out of touch with the people.

I'm tired of equivocation. The time to fight is now. I'm sending an email to the DNC. I'll post the text when it's complete.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:33 PM
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1. I want him to win. . .
. . .because he spent so much time being highly critical of the "establishment." I just hope he is perfect. . .because that is what he and his supporters expect of our leadership. If he wins and truly gets his way, puts his foot down and does it his way we will all be better off and well if he fails. . .its all the DLC's fault.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:36 PM
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2. He didn't stand up for Boxer and Conyers on Jan. 6, that's for sure.
Or for Jesse Jackson or anybody else. But he writes one hell of a pitch letter doesn't he?

p.s. I don't suppose he contacted you "personally"?
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:38 PM
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3. I emailed Harry Reid today and told him that without Dean we
have nothing. I heard that he and Pelosi were leaning towards the guy from Indiana who I think is a Repub working undercover. I have a feeling that the DNC is afraid of Dean and the change he will bring. If they go with someone other than Dean though I'm out. No more dollars from me.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:41 PM
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4. That is why I want Dean to win. . .
. . .I'm not sure if he is the best man for the job. I am leaning toward Wellington Webb, however I fear what will happen if Dean loses. There are so many supporters who believe in him and who are motivated. There is no scenerio in which he loses in which they will be happy. If Dean loses it won't be because there was a better candidate. It will be because the DNC has not balls, they are controlled by BushRoveGOP, they don't want to win.

Just let Dean win and lets get it over with.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:47 PM
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6. If Dean loses and another DLC'er heads the DNC, then the Democratic
Party will increasingly be in shambles and will most likely gradually fade into the ash heap of history.

What will replace it????

If we all don't address this problem NOW, we will have lost our country to the Repukes for conceivable decades to come. This country won't be recognizable to us by then.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:49 PM
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7. Dean is the only one who can win. . .
. . .if he doesn't we are doomed. Lord knows that Donny Fowler Guy is a Repuke and Wellington Webb, he is just as bad as Clarence Thomas, Condi and Armstrong Williams. Dean is the only who can win. . .LOL
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:28 PM
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30. Whatever else any anti-Dean people may think of Dean they have to
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 10:29 PM by Seabiscuit
admit he's not crooked. He says what he thinks. He lets you know in no uncertain terms where he stands. And he sticks with it. Sometimes stubbornly on the wrong issues (remember the pickup truck/confederate flag fiasco that pissed off Edwards during the debates? Dean later apologized, but not until the damage to his image was done).

He and Boxer are the only Dems right now who have my total respect.

I want Boxer in the Senate and Dean head of the DNC. That's a strong one-two punch.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:52 PM
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Dean isn't a member of the "establishment". They don't want him
in. He might even slip up and start telling the American people some truth about what is going on. We can't have that.

The Dr. is sometimes blunt, maybe even a bit wrong on some things. But, he's no damn crook. I'm convinced of that. I'll go with that.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:57 PM
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16. Er uh. . .once you take the reigns of the DNC you are the establishment
If Dean takes over and we do no better in 2006 and 2008 its on his shoulders and by that time. . .he will be the establishment.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:08 PM
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21. Establishments that are bold enough to take on new, creative
people are evolving in a better direction. Personally, I'm not sure why Dean would want the job, precisely for the reasons you are stating about the Establishment. Unless we can get a handle on the election fraud, we're all wasting our time.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:13 PM
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24. No...wait a minute
Dean is firmly entrenched in the "establishment" of the party. He may be a wee bit on the fringe, but he's still a solid Dem.

The main reason I support getting Dean in as DNC Chair is to give the party a shot of truth, a harder edge. We've played nice. It doesn't work with these creeps. The RNC wants only one thing, and that is to be the one and only political party. That cannot happen.

Webb's a great guy, and I won't shed a tear if he gets the nod. However, I still think Dean would stand out far more and has a better chance of getting the attention of the majority that still believes in core Democratic values.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:54 PM
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33. Now is the time to go to
www.democracyforamerica.com

and make a donation. Be sure that the DNC knows about it!


Also, hit this petition, and leave your comments. It will be sent to the voting members of the DNC:

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/deanfordnc
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:43 PM
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5. Try dnclisteninghear@aol.com - I went to a "DNC Listening Event"
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 09:45 PM by calimary
yesterday (Saturday) wherein local members of the DNC (L.A.-based) were on a panel taking public comment from people about the upcoming election of a new chairperson. That's the email address they gave out for anyone who wanted to add comments. People who see my posts here on DU know me to be a rawther proud liberal, and mad as hell about what's happened to our country, the bush takeover, AND with our UBER-DERELICT MEDIA!!!! Well, imagine about 350 other people who were their own versions of that angry. Some were even MORE angry. Some were QUITE eloquent. There were more speakers than there was time. I was one of many who didn't get to speak. But many did, and they were pretty damned clear - GET TOUGH WITH THE rEPUBLI-CONS, NO MORE PUSSY-ISM, PRO CHOICE, NO MORE ELECTION FRAUD, NO CAVING ON SOCIAL SECURITY, NO MORE APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LIBERAL, NO MORE PANDERING, NO MORE COWARDICE, NO MORE BENDING OVER, and about 95 percent of 'em were staunchly pro-Dean.

I'm looking at the "Dean for America" sticker I took home as one of my souvenirs from that event. It's stuck to the top of my computer screen. And it reminds me that I was correct the first time. I, too, switched over to supporting Kerry (and support him, I DID. Til it HURT!) after Dean failed in the primaries. I was correct the first time.

Oh, and BTW, Spiffarino, speaker after speaker after speaker after speaker said almost EXACTLY what you said, up top. You are NOT alone in your angst and disgust, by ANY means.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:52 PM
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11. Here is a write-up on that event.
http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/005810.html

SNIP..."Most of the attendees who spoke mentioned supporting Governor Dean for Chair. The few that didn't still espoused his platform and his policies—the policies upon which DFA was founded, and the policies that form the basis of his campaign for DNC Chair. In an inspired move by Pam Cooke, green and red cards were handed out to the standing-room only crowd in a 600-seat house so speakers would not be interrupted by applause. Audience members waved the green card if they agreed with a speaker's point, the red card if they did not. Every time Governor Dean was mentioned as potential chair, the DNC members looked out upon a waving sea of green."

SNIP.."Ben Rockwell spoke eloquently and passionately about the need for our party to stand up for every citizen—not only focusing on race or color, but those with disabilities as well. Ben is confined to a wheelchair and took the train from Long Beach just to have an opportunity to address the members. Volunteer Bob Silver (of the SoCal Grassroots) approached the microphone and began with, "God Bless George Bush," at which point people in the audience raised their red cards—Bob replied, "There they are! I spent all this time handing those red cards out, I was beginning to think people had lost them!"



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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:01 PM
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18. I remember that moment. It got a BIG laugh.
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 10:02 PM by calimary
He said he wanted to make sure nobody had fallen asleep, because up til then (and throughout the rest of the afternoon) everything anyone said evoked lots of waving green cards held on high.

They'd handed out green and red index cards so that we in the audience could have a way to communicate approval (green) or disapproval (red) with whatever the speaker of the moment was saying, the better (presumably) to gauge audience reaction and enthusiasm in a way that wouldn't burn up time. Every speaker was allowed only two minutes, and they were rawther rigid about it.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:56 PM
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15. One of the beauties of
yesterdays event was that, speaker after speaker, said the same basic thing about the issues you posted, and we did not coordinate the effort...it's how people nationwide feel.

The panel seemed to get the message, I just hope it transmits to the other DNC voters.

Things are going to be changing....real soon.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:50 PM
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8. guys, Dean is "Steve" Forbes with an internet operation. Don't get your
hopes up is all I'm saying.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:51 PM
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10. You are evil. . .Dean is God! Dean is God!
Everyone else bad, Dean is God!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:53 PM
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12. Yes, indeed.
.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:54 PM
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14. I drank a glass of KOOL AID this afternoon. . .
. . .LOL
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Sir! You are drunk!
And I find that highly commendable.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:21 PM
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27. Actually, I am not. . .I was being sarcastic. . .
. . .LOL
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:27 PM
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29. Really??
Wow! So was I!! LOLOLOLOL :eyes:
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:53 PM
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13. LMAO. If only it were true n/t
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:51 PM
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9. FORGET THE DNC -- Here's what to do instead
Find out who your state delegates are (they include all your Dem elected people at state and federal levels) and write them about your opinion about Dean.

And oh, btw. Pssst! Yes, you were wrong about Dean. But I forgive you 'cause you wrote a pretty stirring post and seem to get it about him now. Finally. :evilgrin:
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:58 PM
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17. A toast to you AND the original poster.
:toast:

I wish we could get others to see the light.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:02 PM
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19. My letter:
From a financial contributor to the DNC and a Kerry volunteer

As much as I hate to say this, I am done giving money to the DNC and Democrats unless and until there is a radical shift in posture by this party.

I have been a registered Dem since I turned 18 and I have voted in every election save one - state and local included - that I was eligible to vote in. Yet I am now seriously considering giving up and registering as an unaffiliated independent.

My once-beloved party has lost its voice. Now it seems to stand for nothing more than winning a few elections and maintaining the status quo. Far from being an oppostion party, Democrats have largely stood still as George W. Bush and his cronies have run roughshod over our most deeply-held and precious ideals.

As Americans, we are no longer the "good guys." We are now a pariah nation that is known not for standing for the rule of law, but for flouting it. And, while Bush may have pulled the trigger, you - the DNC - gave him the gun. And now, in the face of the disenfranchisement of thousands, the bizarre anomalies of electronic voting, and all the other obvious anomalies exposed in the November election, you continue to equivocate, conciliate, and move further to the right.

There must be a dramatic change of heart at the top. We didn't lose the last election because people believed Bush was doing a good job. Americans aren't that stupid! No, we lost the last election because we couldn't convince the American people that we were any different.

Howard Dean may be our one great shot at becoming a party that will motivate people to belong to it. The Democratic leadership has lost its voice, but in Dean we may yet find it. I don't pretend he is Superman and he is not without his flaws, but he is real and dynamic and he is precisely the kind of shock the DNC needs to revive its sagging image.

Please. If you value the future of the Democratic party, please make a powerful statement.

Thanks,
*******
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:04 PM
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20. Spiff, nice letter.
To follow up on Eloriel's suggestion, you might send it to those DNC members listed in your state at this link:

http://drafthoward.com/index.php?id=19

Find your state on the drop-down menu. You'll be able to get their names and addresses that way.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:08 PM
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22. We will win seats in the next election (2006) with him leading the DNC.
2008 will be great.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:10 PM
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23. Not sure about Dean
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 10:10 PM by Stop_the_War
Barbara Boxer would do a much better job. Just my opinion.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:14 PM
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25. We can't lose her seat in the Senate
She's far too valuable where she is.

Otherwise...:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:24 PM
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28. Boxer knows this - she's staying right where she is for another 6 years.
Thank heaven for little Boxers.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:29 PM
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31. Thank heaven there were two women
...who would speak up for the rest of us.

Like I said, Howard ain't perfect. He didn't stand up with Boxer (in spirit anyway, since he's not in Congress). He is, however, the best one in the running for Chair.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:34 PM
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32. A close ditto
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 10:35 PM by Tinoire
NOT that I regret having supported Kucinich but I DO feel that supporting Dean back then would have been a good choice too.

If Dean becomes DNC Chair, my support is not only behind him but he will have my unequivocal support if he sticks it to them and runs for President in 2008 despite all the pressure they've been putting on him not to.

Dean is worth his weight in gold and we need more people like him who are not afraid to tell it like it is and can unite activists.

I think Dean is a very good centrist for us because he's a centrist with no neo-con or neo-liberal baggage who listens to his supporters and grows with them.


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