Hillary's in

[Walt Starr]

You don't have to take it from us about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton 's desire to run for president. Her brothers, Hugh and Tony Rodham, say it's true. Friends tell us that the two are cheering Sis on and say she's making all the moves to get ready for the race--presuming she is re-elected by New Yorkers in 2006.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/050124/whispers/24whisplead.htm

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Although I have major problems with Hillary Clinton as president, if she were nominated I would probably still work my ass off for her just to prove to the reichwingnuts that what powers they were willing to give to the Busheviks they had better be willing to give to Hillary Clinton.

[liberal N proud]

1. She would get all my support from day 1 of her announcement

I think she is one dynamic lady.

My worry is the chauvinistic attitudes in the country combined with the he-man Clinton haters club on the right. Can we sell her enough to put them out of business.
She would have to come out swinging at those groups.

[Walt Starr]

2. I would work my ASS off against her in the primaries

She would probably lose the general election, IMO.

[Obviousman]

5. As much as I would love to see a woman president

Running Hillary in a general election is a HUGE risk.

[PartyMy6]

17. me too

I'd NEVER support Hilary Clinton!

[Southsideirish]

23. Oh Lord - that's all we need - sure road to defeat!!!

[meppie-meppie not]

53. I think she would too because I don't think your country is ready for a

woman as president.

[fob]

75. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy!

Walt, you worked your ASS off to expose bush* for what he is, a liar and a cheat. I just don't get writing off ANY Dem at this point let alone ALREADY deciding to work against them.

I'm sure you mean all the best for the party and definitely for our country, but your posts lately have caused me some worry. I am in a state of near-panic over these next 4 years too. I spend way too much time here because I feel lost without being right on top of the action. I feel like if I'm gone for too long I'll miss the one story that needs one more tidbit to bring the whole maladmin crashing down (although it's not as if I have any such info or contacts that would).

Take a break, take a breath, WE do and will NEED your skills along the way.

Full Disclosure: I voted for Al Sharpton in primaries so you KNOW I'm looking for an outsider/speaker-of-truth-to-power type, but as of now I see that as an eternity away.

[ProfessorPlum]

4. She hasn't come out swinging at much of anything

in the congress. Why should she change now? As far as I can tell, she has been a huge capitulator to Shrub.

[Mitt Chovick]

50. she has been a huge capitulator to Shrub.

Hagel has been more of a headache for Shrun than Shillary has been. Let's let Dean run again we need a serious Anti-Shrub voice. Or better yet Al Gore.

Gore 2008, let's elect him again.

[buddysmellgood]

65. Boxer not Clinton.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

70. Amen to that.

Karl Rove started building the Hillary Slaughterhouse in between calls to the Swift Boat Pricks.

It may not be fair...BUT...with all of the dirty tricks pulled during the two "presidencies" of George W. Bush, Hillary is NOT the person to bring it home for the Dems in 2008. Rove has already painted the bullseye on her back. Maybe some other time, but NOT 2008.

[brainshrub]

3. Oh God, no.

Let me check my list of incumbant Democrats who I will continue to support:

http://www.brainshrub.com/essaysfolder/true32.htm

Nope. Don't see her there.

I don't want to see Jeb in '08.

[Rose Siding]

6. Since it's placed right after a rpt about Mrs Beasley...

I'd take this with a shaker full of salt.

[AP]

8. Not only that, notice the RW tilt to that piece.

Beazly shits on the papers. They pick out the ones for her to shit on (no doubt the pages with Democratic or critical commentaries about the president) and she does exactly what Bush does with the papers -- treats them with no respect.

That piece was promoting a Republican mythology about Bush (ie, his "I don't care what the media critics say about me, I do what I know is right" attitude) which is funny to read in a, yes, NEWSPAPER.

You'd think that a newspaper would be interested in protecting a sense of it's own social value. But, no. I guess there are more important things to the MSM (like whether the Republican FCC will relax rules that prevent their ownership of too many media outlets?).

I think that piece sort of undermines the credibility of the entire column.

And, if there were a story that Hillary were going to run for president that could be supported by facts that meet the criteria of responsible journalism, they wouldn't be reporting this story in the gossip column.

LIke the "Dog shit's on man's paper" story, the Hillary story is probably just designed to promote a mythology that will be used to encourage Republicans to donate to the party.

[Mutley]

11. i used to really like hillary...

but i agree with brainshrub here... we need to send a message to the democrats that we won't stand for the 'repub-lite' mentality and that we support only those who support us...

[PassingFair]

35. Isn't it just too DROLL...

that the pukes think we want her for prez?

[brainshrub]

38. I think more republicans want her to run than Democrats. (nt)

[KoKo]

7. I dunno, Walt. Sounds like an "item" placed by the RW to whip up

their troops. Lots of bad news hitting the Bushies lately, even if you have to "read between the lines. Think it's a PsyOps. You know how Hillary's name whips them up. :shrug:

[moggie12]

9. Why? Why? Why?

Why must Dems be their own worst enemies?? We've got so many other strong candidates: Why would we run Hillary??? Her "negatives" are out the wazoo, she brings back memories of the Monica scandal, her Byzantinely-bureaucratic health care plan set the effort back 30 years, and she's never really DONE anything (i.e., been a Governor, etc.) I wouldn't work for her if she got the nomination: Why bother?? She'd be lucky to get 30% of the popular vote. I'd spend all my time helping local Dem candidates try to overcome the surge of anti-Hillary fever that would swamp them.

[Gay Ranger]

15. 42% of the vote ...

is where she would top out at. Her negatives are way too high and no one galvanizes the right like Hillary. Her popularity in New York would mean nothing in the South or any of the red states.

[Alpharetta]

10. Her support for the Iraq War has doomed her

By 2007, her failure to stand with Senator Robert Byrd against the Iraq War Resolution will be her downfall.

[Walt Starr]

12. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't support her in the primaries

but if she were nominated, it would be delicious revenge to give Hillary Clinton the type of unchecked power that has been handed to an evil man like George Bush.

[ThorsHammer]

13. Who all did oppose the IWR?

[McCamy Taylor]

14. Dean!

[welshTerrier2]

20. oh no ... not again ...

Dean said we should give Saddam no more than 60 days to let the inspectors back in after which we should invade ... no proof of WMD, no imminent threat, no U.N. approval required ... just invade ...

these are the facts ... it's not anti-Dean ... it was Dean's position on the invasion ...

[Alpharetta]

19. IWR Senate Vote:

Democrats Yes

Baucus, Mont.; Bayh, Ind.; Biden, Del.; Breaux, La.; Cantwell, Wash.; Carnahan, Mo.; Carper, Del.; Cleland, Ga.; Clinton, N.Y.; Daschle, S.D.; Dodd, Conn.; Dorgan, N.D.; Edwards, N.C.; Feinstein, Calif.; Harkin, Iowa; Hollings, S.C.; Johnson, S.D.; Kerry, Mass.; Kohl, Wis.; Landrieu, La.; Lieberman, Conn.; Lincoln, Ark.; Miller, Ga.; Nelson, Fla.; Nelson, Neb.; Reid, Nev.; Rockefeller, W.Va.; Schumer, N.Y.; Torricelli, N.J.

Democrats No

Akaka, Hawaii; Bingaman, N.M.; Boxer, Calif; Byrd, W.Va.; Conrad, N.D.; Corzine, N.J.; Dayton, Minn.; Durbin, Ill.; Feingold, Wis; Graham, Fla.; Inouye, Hawaii; Kennedy, Mass.; Leahy, Vt.; Levin, Mich.; Mikulski, Md.; Murray, Wash.; Reed, R.I.; Sarbanes, Md.; Stabenow, Mich.; Wellstone, Minn.; Wyden, Ore.

Republicans Yes

Allard, Colo.; Allen, Va.; Bennett, Utah; Bond, Mo.; Brownback, Kan.; Bunning, Ky.; Burns, Mont.; Campbell, Colo.; Cochran, Miss.; Collins, Maine; Craig, Idaho; Crapo, Idaho; DeWine, Ohio; Domenici, N.M.; Ensign, Nev.; Enzi, Wyo.; Fitzgerald, Ill.; Frist, Tenn.; Gramm, Texas; Grassley, Iowa; Gregg, N.H.; Hagel, Neb.; Hatch, Utah; Helms, N.C.; Hutchinson, Ark.; Hutchison, Texas; Inhofe, Okla.; Kyl, Ariz.; Lott, Miss.; Lugar, Ind.; McCain, Ariz.; McConnell, Ky.; Murkowski, Alaska; Nickles, Okla.; Roberts, Kan.; Santorum, Pa.; Sessions, Ala.; Shelby, Ala.; Smith, N.H.; Smith, Ore.; Snowe, Maine; Specter, Pa.; Stevens, Alaska; Thomas, Wyo.; Thompson, Tenn.; Thurmond, S.C.; Voinovich, Ohio; Warner, Va.

Republicans No

Chafee, R.I.;

Others No

Jeffords, Vt.

[AuntiBush]

22. Thank you Sen. Mikulski

I am so proud of my representative, Sen. Mikulski of MD! Yi-pee! She voted "no!" But, we knew that over here.

[ThorsHammer]

25. Thank you, that was the one I was looking for (nt)

[momisold]

16. Hillary is WAY TOO polarizing.

I don't know who the nominee in '08 will be, but I think it has to be someone that doesn't IMMEDIATELY make the Repubs rally. I think they would raise so much money to oppose her. The fight against Kerry built through the election season, it took a while for the mud to start flying. Repubs would be so instantly united against Hillary.

[IndianaGreen]

33. Screw Republicans!

Who cares how "polarizing" Hillary happens to be, as if Bush wasn't polarizing enough? The only ones that would lose sleep over Hillary are the Republican scum.

Bring it on, Hillary!

PS: This does not mean that I agree with Hillary on the issues, only that I think that a tough woman will do better against the GOP that some of the timid men we had running in the past.

[momisold]

36. I didn't say I care what the Repubs think.

I meant Hillary would energize "the base" like few other candidates.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. More DLC prowar pablum.

Hillary shouldn't even be a senator, let alone president.

[AuntiBush]

21. I love her!

Not so long ago, I just didn't like her. But, after seeing her stand-up in the Senate for Sen. Boxer, I seen the power-punch in her eyes, and heard her like never before. She's 1 mad lady, and who can blame her.

If I see GORE/RODHAM CLINTON 2008, I believe we'll get back to business again.. oh, and win!

[quinnox]

24. She's my first pick

Part of it is because I know how much the right wingers hate her and it would be very sweet if she managed to win!

[FrenchieCat]

26. This is

propaganda dissiminated by the Republicans. They have been pushing Hillary onto the Dems since before November 2, 2004. They want her...and they are telling us that we want her.

The Republican Noise Machine is doing what it does best......telling Dems what to do....again.

I love Hillary....but being first lady is not the experience required to become CIC. Senator Clinton is doing right by New York....and thus, is where she should remain!

Happy MLK Day!

[Walt Starr]

27. If it was anybody but Hillary, I wouldn't even consider donating time and

money.

But I just keep thinking of the dleicious irony of Hillary having all of the power they so willingly handed over to Bush.

Sweet swert irony it would be!

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. Wouldn't a candidate with a more realistic chance of winning

be better than going with one who's slim chances offer delicious, but highly unlikely, irony?

[Walt Starr]

37. Well, yeah

That's why I would definitely work hard to see her defeated in the primaries!

But if she won the nomination, I'd work hard to get her elected simply because of the delicious irony if she actually won!

There is no other potential candidate that far to the right in the Democratic Party I would even consider voting for, let alone donate money to and campaign for! Hell, there are some not quite as rightwing as Hillary I would definitely vote third party over, but Hillary would get my support in the GE simply because I would do everything possible to insure she gained all the power the Freepers worked so hard to give Bush.

[Pepperbelly]

41. like Kerry? nt

[cheezus]

28. Hillary furious upon hearing both Kerry, Gore considering 2008 bid

reportedly overhead screaming upon receiving the news, "God Dammit! It's MY turn to lose!"

/ah, Conan. Makes me laugh

[Mabel Dodge]

29. I'm tired of having nothing but white men as "my" president....

I want to see a woman in the White House sometime before I die and Hillary has my vote. No time will be a good time for the 1st woman to run for President, it will be very tough for her. We might as well do it now while we have someone who is as well qualified and as powerful as Hillary.

[meppie-meppie not]

54. what about McKinney? she's doesn't capitulate and she's like a pit bull

when it comes to staying on the issues.

[tkmorris]

66. I don't think too many would agree, but

That would certainly be the most memorable campaign season in history.

[CWebster]

67. For women who just want to see a women in the whitehouse

Will Condoleeza Rice do? She is not only a woman, she if African American.

The fact that Hillary is a woman is not good enough if the road to power is about carrying water for the good ol'boys club.

[many a good man]

30. I'd love to see it if only for one reason:

just to see all the right-wing nut jobs go all apoplectic over her...it'd be a real barrel of laughs!

[saltpoint]

31. If Hillary is nominated, what are folks' thoughts on --

-- her running mate?

[hughee99]

32. I would be surprised to see her lose the primary...

She has serious "negatives" not just nationally, but within our party itself (IWR, DLC, etc). I would not be surprised at all if someone else were to beat her in the primaries but she is a smart lady though, and if she doesn't believe that she can win easily, I don't think she'll run at all. If she does really want to run though, she may have to start attacking other potential candidates well before the primaries even begin, and I wonder if this will also have a negative effect on our perception of her.

[Leilani]

39. If she runs,

she will suck up all money & media, & the other Dems will be in trouble.

I don't think she can win the General Election, & I won't support her.

[Cookie wookie]

40. I would not support a Hillary Clinton run for the presidency.

She does not represent my values nor the best interests of the American people, IMO.

[GOPBasher]

42. If she's the nominee, I'll support her 100%, but she will NOT be

my choice in the primary.

[MrSlayer]

43. This would spell landslide for the Republicans.

I am adamantly opposed to Hillary running, there is nothing good that could come out of it for us. She would be torn apart and spit out in the media and destroyed in a landslide. The Neo-Cons are salivating over this possibility, we must not give them another gift. I would probably vote Green if she gets the Dem nomination.

[deminflorida]

44. I think we all know what happened last time we supported....

someone who voted for the Iraq War. Wes Clark would kill her during the primaries. She would have a hard time getting off the ground in Iowa. The knockout punch would come during South Carolina, Tennessee, and Oklahoma.

If Clark can start out in Iowa this time, and hang in through the third Primary, nobody is going to stop him. Him or Warner, red-states will fall like dominoes.

Iraq looks to be such a disaster, nobody will be able to overcome this issue during debates. Gore and Dean would stand a chance. Gore probably has a better chance in Iowa than Hillary.

[lancdem]

45. We'll have to see

I still have my doubts, for a number of reasons.

[Comicstripper]

46. HILLARY FOR VP (think about it):

Hillary knows the GOP wants her to run. If she's smart (and she is), she'll take the vice-presidential slot. It'll be perfect. The Republicans will spend their time fuming over her, and our presidential nominee will remain relatively unscathed. But the public won't care about Hillary, just like they didn't care when the GOP attacked Edwards. She'll be the bait, and she can take it, and the Dems could spin it as sexism.

[meppie-meppie not]

55. I think you're absolutely right! n/t

[LittleClarkie]

47. I will be on the bandwagon only if she gets the nom

Won't be happy, but I'll have her damn back. Only if she gets the nom, though.

I'd rather Feingold or Kerry.

[OnionPatch]

48. I wouldn't vote for her in the primaries

(especially not if Clark runs) but if she won I'd support her 100% I would support an orangutan in opposition to the current crop of evil GOP in power now.

I sometimes worry that a Hillary nomination would be too divisive for the country but the truth is that they will hate with a passion anyone we nominate, so there's no real reason to worry about how riled up the right will get.

[genius]

49. She doesn't get my vote in the primaries.

[savistocate]

52. CanNOT see her building a majority of support.

Absolutely what they'd love to see.

Amazing anyone can realistically see her winning.

[Generic Other]

51. She's the GOP's dream. They only hope Dems are that dumb...

They want to fight the Clinton wars again. They want to mount vicious "Klintoon" attacks again. They won't even have to make up new stuff. It will be "Whitewater Swiftvets in Monica's Blue Dress" all over again. Please, spare me.

[KnowerOfLogic]

59. Uh huh, and we let repugs pick our last nominee, and that turned

out real well.

[nevergiveup]

56. She is a terrible speaker........

speaks in a monotone....can you imagine her acceptance speech at the convention?.....everyone would take a nap. With the possible exception of Mass, I can't think of a state she would win. She certainly would not carry Illinois.

[KnowerOfLogic]

57. No way. I will not vote for anyone who supported *'s war.

And no half-ass, hair-splitting, "nuanced" excuses are going get them off the hook.

[Hippo_Tron]

58. One plus about Hillary, Carville will run her campaign

I'll vote for her if nobody better is running.

[Darkhawk32]

60. It's going to be a loaded primary...

Kerry

Gore

Clinton

Dean

Clark

whoa...

[MADem]

63. Gore?

I thought he said he was DONE. He seems to be having too much fun being a private citizen...he's more "himself" than I've ever seen him when he was in public life.

[Darkhawk32]

71. Tipper was interviewed and she said Al is "strongly considering" it...n/t

[MADem]

73. Wow, interesting....

Think he means it, or is it a device to stay in the mix?????

[Catherine Vincent]

61. I really think she should become vice president before becoming president.

But maybe she has to throw her hat in the ring and then eventually drop out, and the nominated would hopefully pick her as his running mate. I'd be satisfied with that.

[Bouncy Ball]

62. I'd rather see Boxer run.

She voted against the IWR. She's a fighter. She doesn't have the baggage Hillary does.

I have nothing against Hillary personally, nothing at all. In fact, as a person, I like her quite a bit.

But no, please God no.

(I suspect strongly this story is BS and she will not be running in 08.)

[demwing]

64. I hope she runs

For obviously she will either win, and then we'll only have to hear about her reelection for one season, or she'll lose, and then we'll never have to hear about her running again.

Personally, I think she has only slightly more of a chance of ever living in the Whitehouse than does Slow-Joe Lieberman.

[latteromden]

68. Yeeeeeah right. I'll pass on that, thankyouverymuch. Ugh.

[MrScorpio]

69. Two words

Bad Idea.

[Larkspur]

72. Hillary will not get my support, money, or vote

I'll vote Green if any pro-Iraq war and pro-Israel-apartheid Dem is the nominee. Hillary is both.

If she wears a blue dress during her presumed Prez bid, the Reichwing Media will constantly compare her to Monica and that is what her election run will come down to.

[Sleepless In NY]

74. Boxer not Hillary, most definitely not Hillary

If I was Hillary I wouldn't be so sure of another win as Senator let alone president. I have watched her & Schumer stand by and let bush literally rape NY since 9/11. I don't know the last time I have felt as proud to be a democrat as I have been this month of Senator Barbara Boxer. Boxer, besides having the guts to stand over election irregularities, has held Rice's feet to the fire today, something I have never seen my 2 senators do, I'm sorry to say. Go Senator Boxer! You're Awesome!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

76. i'm a NYer and i voted for hillary..but i would rather have Sen. Boxer run