Just watch. We're being primed for an Iran invasion.

[chicagojoe]

[Skittles]

1. warmongering bastards

un-f***ing-believable.

[RobertSeattle]

2. Maybe an air attack, but we've got no troops for an invasion

Unless the might RW pundit corps enlists.

[Taxloss]

21. What if Iran invades Iraq in retaliation?

Iran isn't bothered that theren't aren't enough troops.

[theboss]

36. Then Iran will cease to exist

We have more than enough troops to destroy Iran. Just not enough to invade and occupy while maintaining control of Iraq.

If we would launch airstrikes on Iran, it would be on selected targets and Iran would probably have to take it (while really ramping up on State-sponsored terrorism).

[SweetLeftFoot]

40. Dunno

Iran hasn't been continually attacked and subjected to sanctions for the last 15 years. They have proper planes and a proper air defence network.

[Taxloss]

41. Quite.

A shattered country half as rich as Iran is giving the US a hell of a beating. You can bet that the Iranians are watching Iraq and learning lessons. To destroy Iran the US would have to deploy nukes and become the pariah of the world.

[MessiahRp]

42. Say they do that

and the Neocons get their way and march up to Tehran. Then with our lack of troops we can't stabilize the country...we have now created a huge country (with the combination of Iran and Iraq) to be an anti-American front for the rest of the world. Some said fighting terrorism was different because we're fighting an enemy without a home country of it's own.

We'd essentially be creating that home. With that kind of platform the terrorists could easily win back Afghanistan and maybe even create a rebellion in Saudi Arabia as well. Oh yeah and there are plenty of Pakistanis who would love to overthrow their government and join with their heroes in Al Qaeda.

How would Israel feel about that? We just kept butting into everything and eventually created a new Islamic Jihad Superpower who will easily crush Israel.

Then Bush can stake claim to ending the Middle East Peace Process that has gone on for decades (although not how anyone imagined it) and rewriting the map of the Middle East.

One hell of a Legacy Builder that guy is.

Rp

[Old and In the Way]

3. What are we going to invade with?

There's a good post below on what could be in store for the US Navy should we (or Israel) decide to attack Iran's nuclear infrastructure. It's a rather sobering assessment of the Sunburn cruise missle, a real shipkiller.

[GreenPartyVoter]

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[PurityOfEssence]

35. With the cross of Jesus, going on before...

Need you ask?

Onward.

No, we don't have the troops for an attack, but that doesn't mean we won't try to destroy their nuclear and missile programs.

I'm actually quite surprised by all of this obvious hoopla, I thought they'd be going for Syria first. For THAT, they've got an army; it's called the IDF. The Neocons drool at the prospect.

[imenja]

4. air strikes

The secret forces would be doing reconnaissance missions to get intelligence for air strikes. We cannot invade Iran. We don't have the troops do it.

[Telly Savalas]

25. In addition we'd be hearing a lot more about it.

It's not like it was any surprise when we invaded Iraq. The assholes in the Bush Administration had been beating the war drums daily for months.

[aquart]

5. Still wondering what we're invading with.

[quaoar]

12. That's easy

We launch cruise missiles at nuclear facilities all over Iran. Iran declares war and attacks us in either the Persian Gulf, Qatar, Kuwait or Iraq -- or even Afghanistan. Bush then goes on TV to say that we have been attacked by the Axis of Evil and demands a declaration of war. Congress gladly complies and orders a new draft. Voila! Instant invasion force.

[aquart]

38. Might be some cynicism in the population over that.

I mean, I can well believe that's Georgie's plan. But Georgie's plans often go awry.

[whirlygigspin]

6. reality break

Sorry to interrupt the drums of war, marching along on it's merry way, but did anyone bother to think how Iran would react to these imperial plans? They just might use the policy of pre-emption for it's own defensive purposes.

Now, if you're Iran, how do you stop invation plans?
maybe by pre-emtively attacking the enemy while it's bogged down in your neighbors yard, Before they can get to your own territory?

Attacking Iran is pure stupidity, what the hell is this administration thinking?

[jabberwocky00777]

11. Israel may preempt with an airstrike against Iran nuclear sites.

Israel may preempt with an airstrike against Iran nuclear sites. American troops would serve as the buffer.

[newyawker99]

23. Hi Jabberwocky00777!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[radfringe]

7. this time the "LIE" won't be

generalized WMD threats -- they will be shaking the big NUKE in our faces...

Few questions:

-- Don't forget Syria, will this be part of the Iran Invasion? Or will the bushies leave Syria to Israel?

-- More countries are pulling out of Iraq -- how many will "re-join" the coalition of the willing in order to invade Iran?

-- Friends of mine seem to think Iran Invasion will take place this year. Although we are currently being primed for an Iran Invasion -- I don't think it will happen until 2006, just before the mid-term election season starts up so the bushies can use it to paint those opposing invading Iran as being "unpatriotic" -- what do you think?

[chicagojoe]

22. Sounds like something the Bushbots might pull

[Oversea Visitor]

8. So what happen when

Iran take that as a open declaration of war?
You nuke Iran??
The Americans troop in Iraq will come under attack by the Iranian army. What are you going to do then?

[Mike Niendorff]

9. The routine gets easier to spot each time, doesn't it.

Laying out a path of least resistance so they can herd us toward another pre-selected destination.


MDN

[Bhaisahab]

10. Yes, and its going to come from the east

from afghanistan, pakistan and the arabian sea.

edit: i dunno which fuck said this, but one of the neo cons said long ago (i paraphrase)- everybody can go to baghdad, real men go to tehran.

[KayLaw]

13. I guess they're just following what they wrote in PNAC

I just feel baffled by the sense of unreality. If I wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper and said, Well, first I'm going to rob the bank, then the Piggly Wiggly, then I'm going to take over the Mayor's house...Could I really expect everyone to sit like character's in some childish fantasy and let it happen?

They spelled out in PNAC exactly what they've done and intend to do, beginning with a Pearl Harbor-like attack and an attack on Iraq, and culminating with China. I'm not telling any secrets, they wrote the damn thing and signed their names. It's all over the internet and newspapers, and , from what I've heard, TV. The whole thing is pretty bizarre.

[Donailin]

14. Unreality is right

I just can't believe it either. Truly, Bush is off the deep end. I mean, just insane. Attacking three Muslim/Arab countries in less than five years?

But the arab people will ove us for it?

A comment was made on C-Span yesterday and it went like this. "In the ten thousand years of history in Mesopatamia, democracy has never been a form of government. We might want to reflect on why that is."

[spanone]

16. I can smell it in the air. Start the buzz.

We're talking endless war here people, endless war.

[xpat]

39. Silver lining?

There just might be a silver lining to an Iran invasion. It could be the straw that breaks the Evil Empire's back.

We don't have the troops to do it, and airstrikes alone won't accomplish squat.

1) Our erstwhile allies could pull the plug on the dollar, which is just waiting for a crisis to melt like yesterday's snow.

2) The goofballs in Washington could try to bring back mass conscription, which could unleash a public "reaction" that would make the Vietnam-era stuff pale by comparison.

If we are lucky, our fearless leader could just unleash domestic revolutionary forces sufficient to cleanse our government of corporate corruption.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

17. War posturing is diplomatic ploy to get Iran to negotiate to avoid attach.

The neo-cons may be crazy and ideologically driven but they are not completely stupid. They know that the reality of a utilizing a military option against Iran is undermined by a likely resultant disaster either militarily or politically and therefore they will do everything to avoid another Iraqi type debacle. Threaten Iran with the big stick and then entice with the carrot through a diplomatic settlement is the their transparent approach to resolving this “crisis.”.

[TexasLawyer]

32. That's what a lot of us thought

would happen in Iraq. Attacking that country was absolute madness-- and everyone with half a brain knew it. But Bushco went ahead and invaded anyway. The neocons are unconcerned with the cost, in blood and treasur,e of these wars. Besides they've got Daddy's "political capital" to spend.

I'm past thinking that this government is going to do things in a way that is smart, legal or moral. That's why I'm very nervous about Iran (and Syria, and Venezuela, and North Korea, and ....).

[leesa]

18. I think they may think this is a good way to get the draft going

Of course, it is massively foolish, but logical thought is not their forte. When will America wake up?

[DemBones DemBones]

19. We're being primed for privatizing Social Security, too,

and we must fight this. If Congress continues capitulating to these people, they'll continue their war-mongering, they'll drastically cut the safety net for our elderly and disabled (and orphans!), and they'll either reinstitute a universal draft OR military enlistment will increase because people are strapped for money. Career choices for too many people will be reduced to two areas: the military or low-paying service sector jobs.

With reduced Social Security to count on for retirement, military retirement benefits will look far more attractive. We already see this "economic draft" and they may hope to avoid a universal draft by just such economic means. They could implement a draft for medical and other special skills people with less popular resistance than a universal draft. When they come for the doctors, how many will speak up? People will rationalize it: our soldiers need medical care and doctors aren't enlisting (those selfish bastards!) so they must be drafted. Oh, they need computer programmers, too? Well, OK, just so they don't draft me/ my son.

Young people need to realize they must fight as hard to preserve Social Security as to oppose the draft. All these issues tie together. And, in the end, it's the younger people who'll suffer the most. Those of us past fifty won't be drafted and Social Security will probably be there for us.

[theboss]

20. With what?

We don't have enough troops to occupy Iraq.

I could see airstrikes though.

[Geek_Girl]

28. They'll be a draft

Before we send in ground troops. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a draft within the next 2 years.

[buddysmellgood]

37. Yep, but first, a terror attack arranged with Iranian finger prints.

[TexasLawyer]

24. The Iranians are all ready for us

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1504255&mesg_id=1504255

[JDPriestly]

26. This gets personal.

The daughter of one of my close friends married an Iranian. She is not a dissident. She was not born in Iran.

I don't want to see war in Iran, but I believe there are a lot of dissidents in Iran. They would welcome democratic institutions, and we should encourage them to change their country. I don't think war is the way to achieve democracy in Iran. An American presence would probably set back the progress toward democracy because of the stigma attached to us because of the Shah. Even Iranians who support democracy might have trouble trusting our intentions because of the Shah's conduct.

[truth2power]

27. I don't believe the US has been interested

in promoting democracy anywhere in the world, ever. Capitalism? yes. Democracy? no.

[jbane]

31. bullseye....

You have nailed them. They want capitalism not democracy.

[TheDonkey]

29. Sounds like Venuzuala might be on the short list of wars

in teh 2nd term

[Sparkly]

30. This administration doesn't know how to do anything but deploy troops

They don't know how to do any sort of strategy, diplomacy, pressure, persuasion, nothing -- they only know the "quick and easy" (for THEM) way of ordering troops in.

There are no military solutions to these things. There are times when force is necessary, but not as a substitute for engagement on diplomatic levels!! As General Clark said about Iraq, we can't win this through the military alone. He's also said there's not an open dialogue on Iran and Syria -- in other words, there's discussion going on behind the scenes. And he's not seeing the "engaged diplomacy" necessary to avoid military force.

In other words, this adminstration doesn't know what it's doing. It's so incompetent it's dangerous.

[Neverarepublican]

33. They want Iran

to attack us somewhere, be it in Iraq or wherever, which will be the basis for the draft.
All this talk of invasion is a bait. If Iran takes the bait and attacks the US, then when we attack back the American people will accept the draft more easily. If Iraq doesn't take the bait, I think Israel will make the first move. Anyway you write it, there is another war brewing. What a bunch of assholes.

[Guns Aximbo]

34. Syria First

Then Iran. Then we can waite for the real shit to hit the fan. Sudi Arabia will fall to the Terrorists and then we're in for a real fest.

oil will go through the roof.