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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 11:38 AM
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Poll question: More credibility: Seymour Hersh or Pentagon?
Whom do YOU believe?
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 11:39 AM
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1. Hersch, of course, but Rummy is more entertaining
So who do you think the media is going to pay attention to?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 11:43 AM
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2. Like entertainment value matters to them.
The media has a stock portfolio to look after. War = business.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 11:54 AM
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3. military credibility?
that's even more far fetched than military intelligence. :evilgrin:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:01 PM
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4. Seymour Hersch has a proven track record
My Lai, Abu gharib, among some of the most well known.

He always makes sure he has the evidence right before he publishes.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:13 PM
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5. So does the Pentagon. They're proven liars.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:06 PM
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6. DOD response
Statement from Pentagon Spokesman Lawrence DiRita on Latest Seymour Hersh Article

The Iranian regime’s apparent nuclear ambitions and its demonstrated support for terrorist organizations is a global challenge that deserves much more serious treatment than Seymour Hersh provides in the New Yorker article titled “The Coming Wars.”



Mr. Hersh’s article is so riddled with errors of fundamental fact that the credibility of his entire piece is destroyed.



Mr. Hersh’s source(s) feed him with rumor, innuendo, and assertions about meetings that never happened, programs that do not exist, and statements by officials that were never made.



A sampling from this article alone includes:



* The post-election meeting he describes between the Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff did not happen.



* The only civilians in the chain-of-command are the President and the Secretary of Defense, despite Mr. Hersh’s confident assertion that the chain of command now includes two Department policy officials. His assertion is outrageous, and constitutionally specious.



* Arrangements Mr. Hersh alleges between Under Secretary Douglas Feith and Israel, government or non-government, do not exist. Here, Mr. Hersh is building on links created by the soft bigotry of some conspiracy theorists. This reflects poorly on Mr. Hersh and the New Yorker.



* Mr. Hersh cannot even keep track of his own wanderings. At one point in his article, he makes the outlandish assertion that the military operations he describes are so secret that the operations are being kept secret even from U.S. military Combatant Commanders. Mr. Hersh later states, though, that the locus of this super-secret activity is at the U.S. Central Command headquarters, evidently without the knowledge of the commander if Mr. Hersh is to be believed.



By his own admission, Mr. Hersh evidently is working on an “alternative history” novel. He is well along in that work, given the high quality of “alternative present” that he has developed in several recent articles.



Mr. Hersh’s preference for single, anonymous, unofficial sources for his most fantastic claims makes it difficult to parse his discussion of Defense Department operations.



Finally, the views and policies Mr. Hersh ascribes to Secretary Rumsfeld, Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, Under Secretary Feith, and other Department of Defense officials do not reflect their public or private comments or administration policy.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050117-1987.html
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:10 PM
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7. DOD Response: discredit
deny and disavow.

Some response. :eyes:


That's taking a page right from the neocon playbook.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:11 PM
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8. How about: a car salesman or Pentagon?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 03:22 PM
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9. Hersh has repeatedly proven his credibility
The Pentagon (esp. under Bush) has repeatedly shown is ineptitude.


Hersh, on The Daily Show last year said he was genuinely afraid of Bush being re-elected.
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Debs Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:01 PM
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10. OK
Who voted for the Pentagon? It was a joke, right?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:25 PM
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11. Hersh is a well respected professional!
The pentagon has become a joke! Informed Americans know where the credibility lies.
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