John Kerry Announces new PAC /Voting Rights & 2008 Run for Presidency!

[KoKo]

Kerry PAC to Focus on Voter Disenfranchisement
Tuesday 18 January 2005 @ 01:53


The Boston Globe notes in tomorrow’s edition that the new Kerry PAC formed after the election will be focusing on voter disenfranchisement and more. Last Wednesday I reported here on LUTD, that some recent changes had been made to the Kerry website.

From the tomorrow’s Boston Globe:

Without offering details, Kerry aides said yesterday that the senator plans to file legislation to correct some of the election problems that occurred in 2000 and 2004. Aides also said that a political action committee he started after the election -- a committee that could lay the groundwork for a second presidential campaign in 2008 -- would also be dedicated to preventing disenfranchisement.

After the disputed vote in Florida in 2000, Congress approved the Help America Vote Act of 2002 and authorized $4 billion so that states could create central computerized voter lists and update voting systems by 2006. But many states have not yet made improvements, and two federal agencies are planning inquiries to look into problems that plagued both old and new systems last November.

From JohnKerry.com:

With your support, johnkerry.com is fighting for a national standard for federal elections that has both transparency and accountability in our voting system. It's unacceptable in the United States that people still don't have full confidence in the integrity of the voting process. I ask you to join me in this cause -- and in working to make our voices heard on the most critical issues of 2005.

I understand the strength, commitment, and passion that are at the core of what we built together -- and I am determined to make our collective energy and organization a force to be reckoned with in the weeks and months ahead. Let's roll up our sleeves and get back to work for our country.

http://truthout.org/fyi/

[Leilani]

1. I think he wants more money

EOM

[marcologico]

14. Only guy rattling his tin cup is Mr Dean Witter and he never STOPS!! n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

2. I don't think he's announced a 2008 candidacy

It's a little early for that.

[kerrygoddess]

3. Will Pitt linked that from LUTD

Kerry PAC to Focus on Voter Disenfranchisement
17 January 2005

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=241

[robbedvoter]

4. Uh, as a senator doing anything about Diebold? because as a candidate

I am filling teacup after teacup with the results of his work so far. What's next? Bill Frist a PETA PAC?

[NVMojo]

5. In the words of the Mighty Bosstones: I get knocked down, I get back up

again ....Go, Kerry, we gotta keep fighting the bastards ...not each other!

[New Earth]

13. that's not Mighty mighty bosstones!

that's Chumbawamba!!!! :P

[Mabus]

6. Why not push for legislation

rather than a PAC? :shrug:

Any attempts by his PAC to do something will be fodder for the VRWC.

on edit: Shouldn't the DNC be doing something?!?

[kerrygoddess]

7. He is planning to introduce legislation

Do people around here read?

[Mabus]

8. Yes we do

and we appreciate links and information over snotty replies.

on edit: WHEN. Cough it up. What will it entail. What do you know about it now? I'm tired of this "Kerry will" stuff, I want action.

[kerrygoddess]

9. Not sure about protocol

Not sure about protocol for announcing new legislation, but it would seem they need to get through the nominations hearing for all the new cabinet members before the Senate and House members start to introduce new legislation.

He's only been back from his trip to the Middle East for a couple of days, so I would assume he needs to study the reports from Conyers and determine what he thinks is the best course of action. Others are also planning to introduce legislation.

This is from Kerry's Senate website:

"As I have committed, in the coming months I will present a national proposal to ensure transparency and accountability in our voting process. I plan to use the information gathered by Representative Conyers in his report, and information from other investigations underway, to guide my legislation. It will be one of my top agenda items. I ask the Republican leadership, and all those concerned about voting rights, to join this effort so that we act on reform this year."

"I will continue to strongly support the efforts of the civil rights and voting rights groups across the country that continue to investigate what happened in 2004 and how we can ensure it will never happen again."

http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/cfm/record.cfm?id=230432

[Mabus]

10. The problem is

will the GOP allow the legislation to make it to the floor? Probably not, that's why it should be the DNC.

Too bad he waited so long. Should have done something after 2000.

[kerrygoddess]

11. The DNC can not pass new laws!

They tried to do something after 2000 - the Help America Vote Act. It was not properly funded. There is far more support now and more voices added to the mix.

This stuff is not going to happen overnight. Sorry.

[Mabus]

12. Duh!

But they can help set the direction of the party. They can push it as a bipartisan issue.

The repukes keep saying we have no issues. Let's make it one. Heck even repukes got turned from the polls this time and they didn't like it. There are questions of impropriety from the whole spectrum of the voting electorate. Wouldn't it be better to have it as an issue (disenfranchisement, electronic voting, etc.) as a party rather than one individual?

Why did he wait 75 days before saying that this was something that MLK would have spoken up about? What has Kerry done during his tenure in the Senate on this issue? Where has he been up til now? Again, where was he after 2000?

HAVA did more damage than good.

[kerrygoddess]

15. Duh!

Yes, the DNC can help set the direction of the party... that's up to the DNC and the new chair of the DNC.

One would assume that Kerry waited to have concrete evidence that there was fraud. Without it complaining was a moot point. But I am sure you have heard this all before... not as if it is not repeated here daily by those who understand.

[Mabus]

16. There was concrete evidence of fraud after 2000

I do understand. Voter fraud should have been issue for some time. It has been for many of us. It was a big deal to the students at FAMU, it was a big deal for people in Dade County and others all over Florida. What was Kerry's reaction: He told me and many others who were upset with voter fraud to quit crying in our teacups.

So, how far do you think Kerry is going to get with this legislation. How soon do you think he will do something (ANYTHING)? He's talks ab good game, I'm just not impressed with his follow-up.

Is he going to give this issue as much study as he did the Iraqi resolution before he vote FOR it? Because if he does, we are truly screwed.


on edit:
By David Podvin

“Stop crying in your teacups. It isn’t going to change. Get over it.”

That was the response of John Kerry to a liberal who condemned the theft of the presidency by George W. Bush. If the sentiment sounds familiar, that’s because it isn’t original. Kerry borrowed his words from America’s vapid conservative posse for whom chanting the phrase “Get over it” constitutes a dazzling display of wit.

Plagiarizing witticisms from Ann Coulter is not an endearing trait for a potential Democratic presidential nominee. It is one thing for liberals who are still incensed about the stolen election to be treated contemptuously by right wing banshees – it is an entirely different matter to incur such disdain from a man who seeks to be our champion.

But it is not unusual for Kerry to parrot the Republicans or be dismissive of liberal concerns. When members of the Congressional Black Caucus approached the senator for his support in challenging the Jim Crow tactics that subverted the 2000 presidential election, he told them to go away. http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/040124_StopCrying.htm

I guess he's been studying this problem for four years now. During the times he wasn't telling US to get over it.

[kerrygoddess]

17. I don't have issues with Kerry

I don't have issues with Kerry... but evidently you do.

Sorry about that... not interested in partaking in the Kerry bashing any longer.

[Mabus]

19. Or you just can't defend his record.

Not bashing. Just asking the question "where has he been on this issue?" Sorry you can't come up with anything to defend him.

[kerrygoddess]

28. Sorry... I have a business to run

I don't have all day to squabble over what Kerry does or does not do. If I can do the research, so can you. There's plenty of stuff on the internet... try Google... do some reading... I'm informed because I choose to be.

And frankly like I said there is nothing I could tell you that has not been posted all over DU by myself and others... so give it a rest.

[Name removed]

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[kerrygoddess]

67. Your tacky snide remarks are uncalled for

"Sorry, I realise the hour is late you must get back out and get back to "your business" (whatever business it is that takes you out in the streets at this late hour)."

I happen to be a self-employed, only parent and I work at home (24/7 as most self-employed people do). Insinuating that my work takes me "out in the streets at this late hour" is rude and uncalled for.

[marcologico]

29. Did you read his Jan. 5 email? Did you call Hastert and Frist? Let me

guess, no and no?

[robbedvoter]

56. Hastert and Frist? Geez, they were about to reform the electoral system

and because I failed to call they changed their mind! I feel so guilty! Ashamed! Dirty!

[cestpaspossible]

85. I'm glad you take such pride in your failure to act.

If we can only find millions more like you, so outraged that they decide to do nothing, we will manage to achieve just that.

[RunningFromCongress]

79. 2000 and 2004 don't' even compare to each other

2000 was a post-vote hide/seek/rush thing to stop the legit votes from being counted. 2004 the legit votes were never "cast"

2000 was simple, clean cut.

2004 was a large-scale operation in tampering w/ machines, lock downs, etc..

in 2000 all it would have taken was another few days of counting the physical ballots at hand. 2004 there was nothing to count, scandals like this take years to get to the bottom of, yes YEARS. The only thing Kerry could have done on November 3rd aside from conceding was to BEG that a whistle blower come forward. Because that's what it was going to take to stop Bush from being sworn in tomorrow.

So why not let him do work from where he can get it done? By pushing for and coming up with legitimate voting rights and STANDARDIZED national elections Kerry will have done more for the country & his supporters than he ever would have been able to do by "Fighting harder" (as the Kerry-bashers would say) or "Challenging the electors".

Thank you.

[robbedvoter]

55. 2000 huh? You must be one of them teacup cryers then.

We don't care about 2000, 2004 is over. PAC is for 2008, see?

[Mabus]

58. Oh...finally. It all becomes clear.

And yes, I am a teacup cryer AND I haven't gotten over it. Not only that I am proud of it.
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1506207&mesg_id=1506323
and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1505839&mesg_id=1506177

I protested the election in 2000 both in my own small town and in Kansas City. I protested with the people that I met while working on campaigns in Missouri in 2000. My fellow teacup cryers.

I cried so much that I decided to do something about it. I got together with friends and started registering voters. I held house parties for local and national candidates. I campaigned in my neighboring swing state, did door to door canvessing there and helped/hosted several MoveOn events (from the bake sale to showing "Going Upriver"). I also travelled to Iowa several times. Right before the election I helped coordinate volunteers at both the local level (for the Democratic party) and the national level (helped put people in contact with the local organizers heading towards swing states).

I kept crying even after 9/11 when a lot of other people stopped. I got verbally abused for wearing my homemade "President Moe Bush" t-shirt in my red state. I kept my "Don't blame me. I voted for Gore" bumpersticker on my car after 9/11 when other Dems folded and refused to criticize Bush or his policies.

I could go on. But the bottom line is, I'm a teacup cryer and I pretty damned proud of it. And I'll keep on crying and working against this regime every chance I get. I'll keep asking questions when it isn't a popular thing to do. I'm a member of the Democratic party and I will cry long and loud whenever I want to.

:cry:

[ClarkUSA]

18. Amen, Mabus!

What exactly is this PAC's plan of action? Because if the strategy is anything like what I've seen from Kerry since Nov. 3, color me skeptical.

Or is this just another way to get $$$$ that will end up along with the $20 million plus he is already saving for 2008?

[Mabus]

20. Thank you

I'm wondering the same thing too. Especially with his reaction (quit crying in your teacups and get over it) when there was clear evidence of voter fraud in 2000.

Why pull the attention to his PAC rather than making it a non-partisan issue?

[ClarkUSA]

21. PR stunt / damage control / hoping the grassroots will jump up & down,

rain money down on him and say, "Lawdy, lawdy...Kerry gonna save us! Better late than never!"

This PAC is as useless a vehicle as his much-ballyhooed recount fund. The only way to enact election reform is either through Congress or through state legislatures. Period.

What's the plan behind this PAC? Huh? Huh?

[marcologico]

22. And what the flying freak has Deano done? Absolutely nothing but cash in,

that's what. "Send me money so your vote will count." And you do!!

[ClarkUSA]

24. Dean has been endorsed by Congressman John Conyers for DNC Chair

as someone who has shown an "extraordinary commitment" to the principle of
voter disenfranchisement. And Conyers should know, right? Also, BBV Bev Harris personally showed Dean how to hack into a Diebold machine. So he knows.

http://www.johnconyers.com/vertical/Sites/%7BEF00C507-612C-4BA3-84C0-446C97F7E413%7D/uploads/%7B129465FC-89BB-40F6-8365-DB3D130BBADB%7D.PDF

This has nothing to do with Dean, by the way. Non-sequitor, but glad to inform!

[marcologico]

25. So? Conyers is sponsoring legislation to allow Arnold to run for pres.

I don't hold that against him, either.

[AntiCoup2K4]

26. You know those DLC interns....

They can't post wwithout bashing Dean. It's the only reason they're here, after all.

[Mabus]

48. But remember, don't ask any questions about Kerry

or you'll be accused of bashing.

It effectively cuts off all discourse of what went wrong.

[Mabus]

30. Pssst. He's running for DNC chair, so he can change things

Not starting a PAC about voter fraud. At least Dean's honest about his motivations.

on edit: isn't it a GOP tactic to change the subject rather than answer the questions posed?

[kerrygoddess]

31. Why didn't Dean speak up about Voter fraud?

Oh and FYI, Democracy for America is a PAC!

[Mabus]

35. I thought you went away to your business in the streets

Yes, DFA is a PAC. So what?

What makes you think I care about Dean? I'm not going to defend him. This thread is about Kerry. Why don't you come up with some answers to the questions about what Kerry has done up until now for voter fraud?

[marcologico]

37. DFA is a PAC? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[Mabus]

40. That's what the research queen kerrygoddess says.

i'm sure it's true. she probably googled it.

on edit: she wouldn't say something unless it was absolutely true. Which is why she can't come up with the answers on Kerry.

[kerrygoddess]

53. You Betcha!

It's a Political Action Committee

"Contributions to the Democracy for America federal account are subject to the prohibitions and limitations of the Federal Election Campaign Act. That law prohibits federal contributions from corporations, labor unions, and foreign nationals who are not admitted for permanent residence. All contributions must be made from personal funds and may not be reimbursed by any other person. Contributions are not tax deductible for federal income tax purposes." - https://secure.democracyforamerica.com/modules/contribution/contribute.php

""Dean opened his Democracy for America PAC on April 1 and raised almost $1.3 million in the second quarter—half of it coming in amounts of less than $200, the same sort of small-dollar donations that fueled Dean's insurgent primary campaign."
—Roll Call, September 16, 2004" - http://www.democracyforamerica.com/media.php

[NYCGirl]

57. You forgot to include this information:

• One of the two new Democratic United States senators was a "Dean Dozen" candidate - Barack Obama (D-Ill.). Obama and the other new Democratic senator, Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), received contributions from DFA.

• One "Dean Dozen" candidate won her race for Congress, Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) and DFA contributed to five of the fourteen incoming freshman Democratic Members of Congress.

Some of the notable non-federal success stories include:

• Two new Democratic governors are "Dean Dozen" candidates: John Lynch (D-NH) and Brian Schweitzer (D-Mont.)

• Two "Dean Dozen" candidates won their mayoral race: Peter Corroon was elected as mayor of Salt Lake County, Utah and Tom Potter was elected as mayor of Portland, Ore.

• 15 of the Dean Dozen candidates that won never ran for office before.

• Democracy for America contributed more than $600,000 to 634 candidates for non-federal office. 319 of those candidates won -- a 50% win-loss record.

• "Dean Dozen" candidates were elected to state legislatures in 16 states. Candidates for legislature who received Democracy for America contributions, but were not part of the "Dean Dozen," were elected in an additional 12 states.

• Democracy for America played a large role in regaining several legislative chambers for the Democrats, including: the Colorado House and Senate, the North Carolina House, the Oregon Senate, the Vermont House and the Washington Senate. DFA also helped secure a tie in the Iowa Senate.

• "Dean Dozen" candidates were elected to the bench in Alabama and Georgia.

• "Dean Dozen" candidates also won races for soil & water commission, supervisor of elections, township clerk, county commission and constable.

"The Dean Dozen candidates and the hundreds of other candidates that Democracy for America supported are the future of the Democratic Party," said Dean. "Win or lose, these fiscally responsible, socially progressive citizens fought to take our country back and helped spread the message that to change America, Democrats must compete everywhere."

Dean attended press conferences, fundraisers and campaign rallies, which helped established name recognition and raised campaign funds for 50 candidates in 26 states. Many of DFA's enthusiastic supporters volunteered and financially supported these candidates as well.

DFA raised over $5 million since its inception in March 2004 and donated money to 748 candidates throughout the country - in 46 states and at every level of government.

DFA will continue to endorse and support candidates and train campaign workers and volunteers in 2005 and beyond.

[kerrygoddess]

63. Right... and DFA is not a PAC!

Thanks. I did miss that.

How did they do that if they are not a PAC? Any of the wise guys here got an answer?

[NYCGirl]

66. I never said they weren't. Being a PAC in itself is not a problem.

It's what they do that could be. And what DFA does is good for the Democratic Party.

[kerrygoddess]

68. I did not say you did

I thanked you for posted further information that I missed...

My comments about DFA not being a PAC were directed towards those who said they were not.

What Kerry has begun to do with his new PAC is also good for the Democratic Party...

A petition for healthcare for all children; a request for donations for phone cards for the troops raising nearly $700,000 for the USO in one day; a request to calls Frist & Hastert the day before the electoral certification, which shuts down their phone and fax lines and email server; and yesterday a petition to call for Rumsfeld's resignation. These things are all good for the party.

[Cheswick2.0]

52. He has been addressing the BBV problem for months

Has Kerry... and DFA is not a pac, it is an organization of people.

[marcologico]

32. baloney, he's running for DNC to finagle himself into the '08 race since

he knows he doesn't stand a chance in any primary. Sneaky Dean, infomercial king. Who is he kidding?

[ClarkUSA]

36. OK, I'll bite.

How will Dean skip the primaries and "fineagle himself into the '08 race"?

Let me guess... Gore will run, Dean will make sure the Party machinery and his supporters back Gore, Gore gets the nomination, Gore names Dean as his "surprise" choice for VP and Dean accepts, leaving the DNC in the capable hands of Martin Frost or whoever.

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[Mabus]

38. At least he's doing something

he's willing to put himself and his views out there. He doesn't sit around, wet his finger and wait to see which way the wind is blowing.

[marcologico]

42. Yeah, sending 100% policy-free pitch letters. Your idiot pals post them

so I've read a few. Sneaky Dean, infomercial king. He IS the king!

[Mabus]

45. What pal of mine has posted anything?

:shrug:

Sounds like you have issues with Dean. Go start your own thread. This one is about Kerry and his upcoming announcement that his PAC is going to do something about voter fraud.

I want to know what he has done up until this time on the issue of voter fraud. So far all I'm getting is lip service from two of you. Neither of you is able to come up with anything.

[marcologico]

47. He asked you to write to Hastert and Frist. Did you?

[Mabus]

51. No I didn't

BFD. What has that got to do with his doing nothing, except to tell us, after clear evidence of voting fraud, to quit crying in our teacups and move on.

Let's see. On January 2, I realized I was in the first stage of a miscarriage. On January 5 I was in the doctor's office getting a check-up and a D&C. Afterwards I was pretty doped up. So, no. I didn't write. I've had a few other things on my mind.

on edit: no did I call.

[ClarkUSA]

34. LOL!

Mabus, I like your logic AND humor. :thumbsup:

[Mabus]

27. LOL, but true

Yea what is the plan?

I'm just tired of this "stop the Kerry bashing" stuff that's pretty prevelant around here. The current myth is that if anything is said that isn't "rah rah Kerry" then we're bashing. What happened to asking honest questions? Or is discourse over issues, that helped cost him the election, off base now.

I don't think it is playing into the hands of the GOP to ask questions. I went out and campaigned for Kerry/Edwards. I did houseparties, I helped raise money, I did everything I could. I did my bit. I fell in line and worked my ass off. It worked locally, a majority of Democratic candidates won in my county in a red state. Why? Because there were a lot of questions and our local candidates didn't duck. They had rapid response to questions. They didn't go study them for months and then come back with the idea to start a PAC. (In this instance a PAC to do something he was approached to do back in 2000).

Why can't I ask questions? I'm beginning to feel like a basketball player who's playing in a game with bad officiating. I know the calls are bad but I can't comment on them or I get sanctioned for speaking out.

How is our party supposed to get better if we can't talk about what's wrong?

[ClarkUSA]

41. Amen AGAIN, Mabus!

I hear you! Truth to power, baby.

:smoke:

[Mabus]

46. What's going on?

Glad to know someone else isn't afraid of asking questions.

It's the old GOP stuff that's going on. Keep yelling at those that don't agree with you. Don't answer their questions, just keep piling the shit on and when that doesn't work, change the subject.

[ClarkUSA]

59. "What's going on?" is right...

"It's the old GOP stuff that's going on. Keep yelling at those that don't agree with you. Don't answer their questions, just keep piling the shit on and when that doesn't work, change the subject."

Thank you, Mabus, for elevating this thread to another level.

Nice to meet you,too.

:toast:

[Mabus]

60. Same here.

Thanks. It's just for the first four years I was told to keep quiet. As you can tell that's not for me.

Now I'm being told to play nice and to quit asking questions. It ain't going to happen.

I guess I'm just not your typical liberal. I don't like being lied to. I don't like these GOP tactics being perpetrated by other Dems.

Thank you for helping me realize I'm not alone. See you around. :toast:

[SmileMaker]

23. the few times I've been interviewed by the press, I've been misquoted

I have doubts when I read these vague statements from aides about Kerry's plans for '08.

[Clarkie1]

44. Glad he's "introducing legislation" but I'll never vote for him

[Bake]

49. No bashing, but Kerry rolled over. He's toast, as far as I'm concerned.

n/t

Bake

[Dinger]

54. Ditto dbaker

Rolled over. Right now is too little too late. Only way Kerry'd get my vote in 2008 would be if jebbie was nominee (He will be) and Kerry was again the alternative

[leesa]

50. Don't bother, John. You had your chance, you blew it.

[quinnox]

61. Kerry Kerry Kerry

I am now more than ever convinced he is gonna give it another go!

The only real competition out there for him I think is Hillary Clinton, but not sure if she will run.

[cestpaspossible]

83. I'm willing to bet Edwards will run as well.

Kerry v Edwards v ? v ? in the primaries....

[NightOwwl]

62. Kerry is using the bodies of thousands of disenfranchised voters

as stepping stones to a 2008 Presidential run.

[dansolo]

64. How many votes will he miss over the next four years?

The Republicans were justified in criticising Kerry's dismal voting record over the past two years. Kerry should be spending his time now making up for his absenses during his campaign. He seems to forget that he is still being paid by the taxpayers to be a Senator, not a Presidential candidate.

[IndianaGreen]

65. Why Kerry when we have Boxer?

We are beyond introducing legislation which quickly disappears into the memory hole. Kerry could have challenged the Ohio electors, but he chose the cautious route. You don't win wars by being cautious, and we are indeed at war!

Nice for Kerry to make this gesture, but that's all it is, a gesture from someone that has been in the Beltway a bit too long.

[cindyw]

69. This thread is dishonest. Kerry is not announcing a 2008 run.

Obviously I'm right on the effect of the title because people are responding to the original post as if Kerry has announced.

[kerrygoddess]

71. It's quoted from the Boston Globe

"From the tomorrow’s (yesterday now)Boston Globe:

Without offering details, Kerry aides said yesterday that the senator plans to file legislation to correct some of the election problems that occurred in 2000 and 2004. Aides also said that a political action committee he started after the election -- a committee that could lay the groundwork for a second presidential campaign in 2008 -- would also be dedicated to preventing disenfranchisement."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/01/18/kerry_alleges_voters_were_suppressed?pg=2

[cindyw]

73. The grammar of the quote suggests that the aides said

"Aides also said that a political action committee he started after the election would also be dedicated to preventing disenfranchisement."

The -- -- usually denotes an aside added by the author of the article. I would be interested in evidence to the contrary.

[kerrygoddess]

74. Kerry himself in interviews

Kerry himself in interviews has not ruled out running again.

I originally wrote the blog piece for LUTD, using this title "Kerry PAC to Focus on Voter Disenfranchisement" - http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=1/17/2005.

Will Pitt posted my piece on his Blog, verbatim with the same title and credit to my blog - http://www.truthout.org/fyi/

KoKo01 posted this thread canging the title to "John Kerry Announces new PAC /Voting Rights & 2008 Run for Presidency!"

When I wrote this I chose NOT to focus on that aspect of the quote from the Boston Globe.

[cindyw]

75. Right, the title of the original post suggests that "John Kerry announces.

Run in 2008." There may be indications that he intends to run, but John Kerry did not announce that he will be running as the title suggests, by a poster I might remind who trashed Kerry all day and only sought to have people trash Kerry and tell him no running in 08.

[kerrygoddess]

78. Sadly

I think we both know that some people just don't get that trashing Kerry hurts the party that we so badly need to heal.

[cestpaspossible]

82. The title of the thread is false.

The thread title says Kerry announced a 2008 Presidential run. That is factually incorrect.

[0007]

76. I agree!

I've yet to hear that promised apology if Kerry voted 'NO' for Condi's confirmation.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

70. Kerry has my support and loyalty for all that he needs...always!

[AzDar]

72. Screw disenfranchisement...The F**ckin' machines gotta go!!! eom

[Redleg]

77. The responses once again show that Kerry can do no right for some of you.

EOM

[ClarkUSA]

81. Sucker, anyone? This is nothing. Pure politics. No plan.

Tell me how this is anything but an ATM machine for him. He cannot do a damn thing via a PAC to enact legislation.

He's doing damage control, the same as his vote against Rice. What did it cost him to do that? Nothing. No bad press. No "sore loser." Wow, he's a hero now!

[Redleg]

86. If that's what you want to believe.

As I said, people will infer the worst of intentions in Senator Kerry.

[Hidden Stillness]

80. How Will it be Solved?

This thread got kind of off-track, but the original message is very important. This is a total nightmare--how will these voting illegalities ever get addressed, when the criminals who violated the law are still there, when their group owns the media so all these issues are presented falsely or censored, when they programmed the computers that count the vote so you don't even know if you voted them out and there is no one independant to do the count, when there are no laws covering this and their group votes down any investigation of it....This is a total, goddamned nightmare. I hope Kerry will discover some kind of way to deal with this; otherwise, how will it ever be solved? How will a total oppressor ever be removed?

It really was shocking to discover, after the final 2000 count, when it was proved once and for all that Gore had won, that there is no provision that just allowed the little maggot to be removed from office, and Gore installed as the rightful President. With all the checks and balances covering situations, why is there nothing covering this possibility?

I hope this cause will not be highjacked and become a mere "let's get rid of punch cards" campaign. I come from a (Midwestern) state that uses punch cards for many areas; Kerry and Democrats won my city, and Kerry and Democrats won my state. That isn't the problem; if anything, computers are worse than all other systems, which of course, is why they use them. I hope Kerry, and others, can find a way of getting our rights, that will not depend on their Republican Party or their Supreme Court for votes, or it will never happen

[Jacobin]

84. Geeze

I can hardly wait. :eyes:

We need new blood. Give Dean a shot, and won't the old line Dems please get the fuck out of the way and let him give it a try instead of torpedoing him?