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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:32 PM
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Wanted: A Dean Primer
I would like to do with Dean what I did with Kerry in June of 2004, that is, get aquainted.

I have a collection of articles, books and speeches that I read on my way from ABB to Kerry supporter.

I'm looking to put together the same thing, only for Dean. It appears to be time to give the guy a good looking over, since he just might be our next DNC head.

So, Dean-sters, can you post links to especially good articles about Dean, things you read that made you love the guy, titles for books that were especially illuminating for you, and the like. I'd surely appreciate it, and I'm sure others who don't know Dean very well would also be grateful.

Thanks in advance.
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:34 PM
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1. Here ya go!
Everything you need to know about Dean, in a nutshell:
http://www.sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/1668089.php
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:42 PM
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3. nm
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 05:43 PM by Goldeneye
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lookinforward Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:44 PM
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4. Centrist maybe, but progressives follow him.
But he excited the progressive base with his antiwar stance. Anyone willing to take that stand and step away from the "Republican Lite" version of the Democratic party is going in the right direction.

The fact that progressives follow him means that there is the opportunity for real change!

He is much much better than more of the same old same old within the Democratic party that think that moving to the right will win them friends.

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:25 AM
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62. Progressives like him for more than just his views on the war
I really wish that people would stop repeating this fallacy. The reason that progressives like Howard Dean is because he is actually interested in solving the problems of the country, and not just to consolidate power for him and his associates.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:45 PM
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5. Ummm...
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 05:48 PM by pstans
That article wasn't very positive. Dean was governor of Vermont for a long time, so it would be pretty easy to find someone who disagreed with him. This author seemed to do that.

I truly don't think that Dean is that liberal. Most of his policies are centrist. The article was written in SF, a very liberal city. Maybe the author of that article was mad that Dean was getting the so called "liberal" label when he didn't really deserve it.

What intriqued me about Dean was him saying that the people had the power to take back America from Corporations. That is the exact opposite of the Bu$h administration, where everything they do for corportations and against the American people.

I think all you need to know about Dean is that he is a fighter and will stand up for what he believes and he will let people know about it. Dean is someone who can bring about real change in America.
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:54 PM
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11. ummm
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 05:56 PM by eg101
You wrote:


That article wasn't very positive.


You are correct! So what?


Dean was governor of Vermont for a long time, so it would be pretty easy to find someone who disagreed with him. This author seemed to do that.


Well, I think the article is quite a bit more than just whether the authro agrees with Dean or not. You might notice a scad of footnotes at the bottom of that article. It's not about opinion, but about what Dean was and is.


I truly don't think that Dean is that liberal.


I am going to nominate your reply here for DU understatement of the year. ANd I think your chances are excellent!


Most of his policies are centrist.


Yep! He is right in the center of the rightwing, when it comes to economics.



The article was written in SF, a very liberal city.


No. The author lived in Vermont when he wrote it.


Maybe the author of that article was mad that Dean was getting the so called "liberal" label when he didn't really deserve it.


I would not be surprised at all. BTW, did you see all the footnotes at the bottom?


I think all you need to know about Dean is that he is a fighter and will stand up for what he believes and he will let people know about it.



Yes! And this article shows you what Dean really believes in. And yes I think dean WILL fight--he will fight for Big Corporations and rich people all over the world, so that they can keep more of their money and have to pay less in taxes to take care of poor older people. THat's Howard Dean for ya! A real fighter!


What intriqued me about Dean was him saying that the people had the power to take back America from Corporations.


Yeah! Wasn't that special!? And don't you love how dean can "change his message"? I just love that!

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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:11 PM
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16. Umm...
Who did you support in the primaries then or did you vote for Bu$h?
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:14 PM
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19. I do not support any politician
Politicians are opportunists. If you want them to do something or act a certain way, you need to create daylight for them to run to. Like a football running back!

Don't support politicians--that is a dead end. Instead, band together with progressives and cause a shift in political consciousness, and then you will have tons of politicians scrambling to run to the daylight you created....

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:18 PM
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
29. one of the most liberal states in the union elected him 5 times
people who supported him in the primaries are all over the board.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:46 PM
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7. LOL Indymedia has about as much cred as
their far right counterparts. IM smeared Dean, Clark and Kerry with glee, and they quote mine in the sleaziest way. I couldn't make it though the whole piece, but it was chock full of half truths, and no I'm not going to go through it point by point. I've done that ad nausem. I will say that as a Vermont liberal I voted without hesitation for Dean 5 times. Did I agree with him on every issue? Hell no, but I knew he was a man of his word, and I could generally rely on him to listen to his constituents. And most liberals in Vermont did exactly as I did- they voted for him time after time.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:52 PM
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9. Sounds like Counterpunch
They got a few good licks in too on Dean and Kerry.
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:54 PM
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10. That's not what I would call an unbiased primer
I did research on him in the primaries and I certainly found more straight-forward, factual accounts that that particular article.

I'm sure one of the Dean people will post something to counter that article, but basically what I discovered is he was a centrist who had decided the DLC had gone too far right on some ideas, which sparked a war between him and the DLC. He seemed to have gotten the loyalty of the more liberal wing of the party in the primaries by saying the obvious on the Iraq war and also by signing a civil union law. Then he was labeled a far-lefty, which was never consistent with his record. I would say he's a fiscal conservative and social moderate to liberal.

I also view him as a pragmatic centrist who is willing to say an idea is not working well or has gone too far, such as the free trade idea. If I find any of the articles I read back then, I will come back and post a link or two.
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:07 PM
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15. pragmatic centrist == gonna have them proles workin' from sunup ta sundown
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 06:10 PM by eg101
Them there plantation owners were pragmatic centrists,too....

But them commie-nists over thar in France and Sweden with that thar "universal healthcare" and that there "tuition-free college," and their 37-hour work weeks and their 5 weeks vacation, they aint pragmatic, and they aint centrists. They's just commie-nists. They gotta get their minds right, and their deficits higher and their top tax rates lower, and get their retirement age much higher, just like Howard Dean sez....ya gotta be PRAGMATIC!
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:13 PM
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18. not exactly factual or unbiased, again
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 06:14 PM by BlueInRed
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:16 PM
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20. what were there, about 30 footnotes in that article?
Scholarly!
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:25 PM
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23. I stated what basic positions I found
in contrast to you. I see NOTHING even remotely factual in that response. And if you want the proof, go to the NYT article, which I mentioned in another post was one of the articles I read. Plenty of facts in there.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:16 PM
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48. ann coulter uses footnotes, too
the presence of footnotes alone does not indicate quality or accuracy.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:13 PM
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17. I think your analysis of him is good.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:24 PM
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56. Fiscal conservative, Social progressive is how he describes himself
I personally don't think there's anything "centrist" about him other than the Fact that he wants to balance budgets and sets about doing just that, IN THE SERVICE OF BETTER THINGS POSSIBLE ONCE THEY'RE BALANCED.

In Vermont, he covered over 90% of the population with healthcare once those budgets were balanced. That's pretty damned progressive/liberal.

Civil unions -- VT was the first state in the country -- that's prety progressive. And don't EVEN bother with the garbage about him being forced into it. The truth of the matter is twofold: (a) they COULD have gone the route of changing the state constitution to avoid that and (b) he did it when he was at 35% in the polls facing re-election in a few months and defended it to the hilt and still does, even tho he had to wear a bullet-proof vest to do it!

I could go on. He's plenty liberal/progressive if you ask me. But in fact he's actually much more than that: he's someone who can synergize positions and people: take conflicting ideas and meld them. Guns is a perfect example, IMO. He completely defuses that as a wedge issue (which is BADLY needed where Repugs are concerned) by simply saying it's a matter of pragmatism. Leave things as they are federally, and let the states do what else they might need. Wow. Imagine TAKING GUNS OFF THE TABLE as an issue! Hellllloooooo, West Virginia! Helllooooo, Colorado (and numerous other states)!! But most of all, it's just supremely COMMONSENSICAL. People all over the country can recognize honest-to-goodness commonsense about issues, and Dean's a master at delivering that.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:14 AM
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42. Notice the source.....

To find a source to attack Dean for not being far enough left... they have to go to the "International Socialist Review".





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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:16 PM
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55. That article was originally from Counterpunch.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:11 PM
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60. Frankly I trust Cockburn and DV a helluva lot more than CNN and NYT, even
though I don't always agree with their slant. Better left-slanted facts than right-slanted propaganda I mean news.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:17 PM
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65. So you like this Cockburn article where he calls Kerry a war criminal?
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07292004.html

And what about this lovely article?
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn02112004.html

Do you really trust this author?

Personally, I think Cockburn is a hack and his publication a rag of the worst sort.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:21 PM
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66. Yes, I trust Cockburn's facts, but I don't always buy his conclusions. n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:30 PM
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67. So you think something like this is fine?
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn02112004.html

In his first term Kerry ventured onto some interesting and politically perilous terrain, with hearings into the scandal-ridden CIA-linked bank BCCI, and into the arms-for-cocaine contra scandals in Central America. In the end he lost his nerve and the hearings ultimately floundered to an inconclusive close. It was the last spark of vigor in a senatorial career of singular blandness and timidity.

Already in the 1980s this supposed Massachusetts liberal (always an oversold species) supported the Gramm-Rudman deficit reduction act, a dagger in the heart of social programs. Kerry later renewed his commitment to the war on the poor by backing Clinton’s successful onslaught on aid to poor mothers and their children and more recently still, voting for the Bush tax cuts. In the Clinton years Kerry positioned himself as one questioning the efficacy of affirmative action.

When the Reagan administration launched the full might of US power against the island of Grenada (population, 80,000) in 1983 Kerry criticized this imperial excursion. These days, with his medals out of the closet, he says “I basically was supportive. I never publicly opposed it.”



With the first Gulf war at the start of the 1990s Kerry changed positions so rapidly his staff grew dizzy with the effort of keeping up with their boss’s gyrations. He finally voted against authorizing the war, but almost immediately issued a press release supporting the invasion. The 2003 war finds Kerry voting with the Bush administration, only to cast himself in the early primary season as an opponent.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:35 PM
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68. Typical Cockburn, yawn. Anybody tell you about critical reading? n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:39 PM
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69. Sure, I'm being critical. What about you?
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 06:45 PM by NYCGirl
Your choice of literature seems to me to be extremely uncritical.

You say you trust him on the facts. I think that Cockburn's grasp of "the facts" is extremely tenuous, at best.

Edited to correct html code.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:43 PM
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71. Cockburn puts his anti-everybody spin on all golden calves, so what? n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. Keep spinning.
:tinfoilhat:
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:55 PM
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74. Look, you've got to reach your own conclusions. You can't believe every
thing you read, particularly as it applies to political campaigns, but some sources are better than others. I know what to expect from Cockburn so I can sift the facts from the spin, and his facts are generally more accurate than anything in MSM.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:43 PM
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70. deleted dupe message
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 06:44 PM by NYCGirl

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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:44 PM
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72. Heard you the first time. n/t
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:38 PM
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2. what a great idea!
Here's a New York Time piece that gives you the basics of Dean's positions:

http://www.nytimes.com/top/news/washington/campaign2004/candidates/howarddean/

and of course www.democracyforamerica.com probably has a lot of information as well.

I'll search for more interesting things for you to read too. Is there subject in particular you would like to have more info on? Such as his work as Gov. of Vermont or his medical practice that he shared with his wife? Or just the basic run down of his positions, etc?
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:56 PM
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13. Thanks
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 06:43 PM by BlueInRed
that had a link to one of the articles I read.

The profile I read was at http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/28/politics/campaigns/28DEAN.html . (You have to click it from the main Dean profile page or it asks you to pay to read it. If you click from the main page, it's free.)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:43 PM
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25. Probably more human interest
Stuff about him and his wife and his practice would probably be good. When I researched Kerry, the stuff that really helped me get to know him were the profile pieces. I think I have enough position sources now (all bookmarked -- thanks guys). Now a bit more about Dean the man, his background and such would be in order.

I might even open up a Democrat section on my Kerry forum and put the Dean stuff there. People should know about the guy if he's going to be high-profile.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:52 PM
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26. Here's a nice photo gallery:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:36 PM
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49. Hey, that was fun!
Thanks, NYCGirl!
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:40 PM
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52. Those are awesome
Thanks!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:06 PM
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28. And two great articles about him:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:45 PM
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6. Bill O'Reilly just called him an SOB. Oops forgot the neat snip.
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 05:50 PM by madfloridian
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/bill_oreilly_calls_howard_dean_an_sob.php

O’REILLY: “Again, I think you guys are missin’ the big picture here. Let me put it another way, Mary Anne. Howard Dean has alienated many people.” O’Reilly gestures towards himself and after a pause, continues: “Me, alright! Because he’s an obnoxious SOB. With all due respect, he is. He’s obnoxious. Now if he gets the DNC Chair, Dean doesn’t like me. Now, I’m willin’ to listen to him. He’s welcome on the program but I don’t like him. Alright! And I’m skeptical of him and that’s not good, Mary Anne, because I’m a guy with an open mind. I’m not anti-Democrat, as you know, but, if he gets it, I guuuh - ya’ know - Howard Dean! That can’t help! There’s a lot - there’s not a lot of guys like me. But there are enough, there are enough people, who are not gonna like this, that think a new, more neutral guy would help the party.”

Later he said: “

I think we need to choose someone else, don't you?

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:50 PM
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8. makes me like Dean even more...
I don't understand why O'Reilly says Dean is "vindictive"??? What is that from? Especially coming from a guy who counter sued the woman he was sexually harassing?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:56 PM
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12. I know. The irony is overwhelming.
:hi:
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:30 AM
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45. I believe he said that
O'Reilly is such a dumbfuck. He projects on everyone!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:07 AM
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38. lol
"I think we need to choose someone else, don't you?"

And lets just let Bill choose him for us!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:38 PM
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50. Dean doesn't bow at the alter of
bo! That's a big plus in his favor!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:07 PM
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14. Here's his syndicated weekly articles:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:19 PM
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21. Read Dean's book, You Have The Power
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 06:50 PM by NoPasaran
It will not only tell you where Dean stands, but also explain how he thinks the Democratic Party ended up where it is now.

And I'll also recommend Joe Trippi's book The Revolution Will Not Be Televised[/i}. Yeah, I know that a lot of Deaniacs now consider Trippi a traitor and of course Trippi isn't shy about pointing out what a genius he is, but I think it's worth reading for his insights into politics in the internet era.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:20 PM
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22. Here's what he thinks we should do:
The Future of the Democratic Party

By Gov. Howard Dean, M.D.
This is one in a series of weekly syndicated columns written by Governor Howard Dean.

Since Election Day, there has been a lot of predictable moaning and groaning about the future of the Democratic Party. Particularly predictable are the suggestions that we need to be more like Republicans in order to win. Democrats need to learn by our previous mistakes—we have tried being "Republican-lite" and it does not work. It is a mistake to run away from the things we believe and I think we can win in the so-called Republican states by being real Democrats.

We have to realize that there are no red states and no blue states, just American states. I believe the country is still more in sync with Democratic values than Republican values. Our task is to remind ourselves and the American people of the hallmark issues that distinguish Democrats from Republicans.

For example, Democrats historically tackle economic issues with bold, common sense policies. Our last Democratic president created 22 million new jobs in this country. In the last four years, George W. Bush oversaw the loss of over 1.5 million. Democrats balance budgets, Republicans do not. Democrats consistently try to pass legislation that would provide some kind of affordable health care, Republicans do not. Democrats believe we ought to raise the minimum wage to help the average worker keep up with the cost of living, Republicans do not. Democrats believe corporations have too much power over our daily lives; Republicans do not—and to prove it, they have given away billions of dollars of our tax money to the biggest corporations in the world over the last four years.

On each of these issues, the majority of the American people are with Democrats not Republicans. Democrats have the right beliefs to win; we just execute a poor public relations plan. And, despite the enormous improvement in our ground game, the Republicans executed a more effective strategy. Republicans are far more successful because they work in a more unified, disciplined way with local supporters, especially with their base. They also avoid the Democrats chronic pitfall of listening to pundits from inside the Beltway.

I truly believe that Democrats can return to national dominance. But, we must not be afraid to compete in every race, in every district and in every state. We can start rebuilding the Democratic Party from the bottom up. Through my organization, Democracy for America, we have already started that process. This past election cycle, we endorsed over 100 candidates, at all levels of government—from school board to U.S. Senate and we contributed to almost 750 candidates around the country.

These candidates helped return Democrats to the majority in the Vermont, North Carolina, Oregon and Colorado State Houses; as well as the Senate in Oregon, Washington and Colorado. These candidates included more women than men, 25% were African American and there were members of nearly every other minority group, including American Indians. Nearly ten percent of the victors were from the gay and lesbian community, which included wins in places like Idaho and Missouri. And, 15 of the candidates we endorsed that won never ran for office before.

Democrats can win by simply being Democrats. Reinventing ourselves as Republicans is the death knell of our party. We need to get back to basics and start listening to people from outside Washington. Only then can we save the greatest nation on the face of the earth from the twin Republican perils of enormous deficits and constant misadventures abroad.


I agree with him completely.

Julie
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:19 PM
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24. Here's a very informative link:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:52 PM
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27. This speech sums up Howard Dean .
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 10:53 PM by janx
It is one that he made as he ran for president, but the same principles apply to our country today, perhaps more than ever.

http://www.4president.org/speeches/howarddean2004announcement.htm

The Great American Restoration

Governor Howard Dean

June 23, 2003

Today I announce that I am running for President of the United States of America. I speak not only for my candidacy. I speak for a new American century and a new generation of Americans -- both young people and the young at heart. We seek the great restoration of American values and the restoration of our nation's traditional purpose in the world.

This is a campaign to unite and empower people everywhere.

It is a call to every American, regardless of party, to join together in common purpose and for the common good to save and restore all that it means to be an American.

Over a year ago I began to travel the country in the usual way one does when seeking the Presidency.

I believed that, by running for President, I could raise the issues of health care for every American and the need to focus on early childhood development. I wanted to bring those issues to the forefront of the national debate. And I wanted to balance the budget to bring financial stability and jobs back to America.

Most importantly, I have wanted my party to stand up for what we believe in again.

But something changed along the way as I listened to Americans around this country. On my first trip to Iowa I heard people speak of a profound fear and distrust of multi-national corporations. From New Hampshire to Texas I met Americans doubting the words of our leaders and our government in Washington. Every where I go people are asking fundamental questions: Who can we trust? Is the media reporting the truth? What is happening to our country?

The Americans I have met love their country. They believe deeply in its promise, our values and our principles. But they know something is wrong and they want to take action. They want to do something to right our path. But they feel Washington isn't listening. And as individuals, they lack the power to change the course those in Washington have put us on.

What they know is that somehow 7 trillion dollars of our country's wealth disappeared. Nearly 1 in 10 retired people have had to return to the workforce because they have lost their pensions. Young people are returning to live at home after graduating because they cannot find work.

Companies are leaving the country to avoid paying taxes, or to avoid paying people livable wages. And corporations are doing this with the support of the government and a political process in Washington that they rent -- if not own.

This was the fear that James Madison and Thomas Jefferson spoke of -- the fear that economic power would one day try to seize political power.

Theodore Roosevelt said it best, "Every special interest is entitled to justice full, fair and complete....but not one is entitled to a vote in Congress, to a voice on the bench or to representation in any public office."

Today, our nation is in crisis. At home, this crisis manifests itself in this President's destruction of the idea of community. This President pushes forward an agenda and policies which divide us. He advocates economic polices which beggar the middle class and raise property taxes so that income taxes may be cut for those who ran Enron.

He divides us by race by using the word quota, which appeals to the worst in us by instilling fear that people of color might take our jobs or our places in the nation's best universities. He divides us by gender by attacking a woman's right to make her own health care decisions. And even by attacking young women's right to have the same athletic opportunities that young men do. He divides us by sexual orientation by supporting senators who have slandered gay Americans, and he appeals once again to the worst instincts within us, instead of that which is good in all Americans.

The tax cuts that are the radicals' weapon are not about tax cuts for working people. They are not even about tax cuts for millionaires. Instead, the tax cuts are designed to destroy Social Security, Medicare, our public schools and our public services through starvation and privatization.

Our President and too many in Washington are giving away our future so that we pass to our children not a flickering flame of freedom but the chain of insurmountable debt.

No parent would do this and America must not do this.

And so for me the long journey of a Presidential campaign has begun with the people I have met affecting me far more than any affect I may have had on them. And because of that, the reasons why I seek the Presidency have changed.

This campaign is about more than issue differences on health care, tax cuts, national security, jobs, the environment and our economy. It is about something as important as our children. It's about who we are as Americans.

Here are the words of John Winthrop: "We shall be as one. We must delight in each other, make other's conditions our own; rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together, always living before our eyes our Commission and Community in our work."

It is that ideal, the ideal of the American community, that we seek to restore.

An America where it is not enough for me to want health care for my family but the obligation, and responsibility of every one of us as American citizens to insure that each one of us has health care for our families.

An America where it is not enough for me to want good public schools and a better life for my children but an obligation, and a responsibility as citizens to insure that every child in America may go to a good public school and have the opportunity of a better life.

An America where it is not enough to protect my rights under the law but where it is a duty and an obligation for each of us as Americans to make sure every American is equal under the law.

An America where it is not enough to proclaim the words freedom, self-government, and democracy, but where it is a duty and a responsibility to participate together in common purpose with the sacrifice required of each of us to give those words meaning.

If September 11, 2001 taught America anything it is that we are stronger when we are beholden to each other as a national community, and weaker when we act only as individuals. That tragedy gave us an enormous opportunity to focus not only on our common peril, but also on our common dreams. The peril remains, but the dreams must be resurrected -- and they will be in a new American century.

President Kennedy challenged us to "pass the torch to a new generation of Americans." And so, we must issue that challenge again.

So too must we restore the deepest belief of our people that each generation has a responsibility to pass to our children a nation and a world that is better and stronger than the one that was passed to us.

As we experience the crisis of community at home, we are witnessing the effort to repudiate 225 years of American consensus on what our nation's place should be in the world.

Since the time of Thomas Paine and John Adams, our founders implored that we were not to be the new Rome. We are not to conquer and suppress other nations to submit to our will. We were to inspire them.

The idea of America using its power solely for its own ends is not consistent with the idealistic moral force the world has known for over two centuries.

We must rejoin the world community. America is far stronger as the moral and military leader of the world than we will ever be by relying solely on military power. We destroyed repressive communist regimes without firing a shot, not simply by having a strong military, but because we had a better ideal to show the world.

Every American President must and will take up arms in the defense of our nation. It is a solemn oath that cannot -- and will not -- be compromised.

But there is a fundamental difference between the defense of our nation and the doctrine of preemptive war espoused by this administration. The President's group of narrow-minded ideological advisors are undermining our nation's greatness in the world. They have embraced a form of unilateralism that is even more dangerous than isolationism.

This administration has shown disdain for allies, treaties, and international organizations alike.

In doing so they would throw aside our nation's role as the inspirational leader of the world the beacon of hope and justice in the interests of humankind. And instead, they would present our face to the world as a dominant power prepared to push aside any nation with which we do not agree.

Our foreign and military policies must be about America leading the world, not America against the world.

So how did we come to this point?

How is it that our leaders have abandoned our communities and repudiated our idealism and principles?

When confronted with a dedicated band of right wing ideologues, too many Americans have stopped participating, stopped voting, and stopped believing that they can change America.

And we in politics have not given our people a reason to vote or a reason to participate. We have slavishly spewed sound bites, copying each other while saying little. We raise millions of dollars and each year make lofty promises, while every year the struggles of ordinary Americans increase and fewer Americans vote. Our politicians, many of them good people, have been paralyzed by their fear of losing office. Our leaders have developed a vocabulary which has become meaningless to the American people.

There is no greater example of this than a self-described conservative Republican president who creates the greatest deficits in history of America. Or a President who boasts of a Clear Skies Initiative which allows far more pollution into our air. Or a President who co-opts from an advocacy organization the phrase "No Child Left Behind," while paying for irresponsible tax cuts by cutting children's health care.

Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

The history of our nation is clear: At every turn when there has been an imbalance of power, the truth questioned, or our beliefs and values distorted, the change required to restore our nation has always come from the bottom up from our people.

And so, while the President raises $4 million more tonight to maintain his agenda, we will not be silent.

He calls his biggest fundraisers Rangers and Pioneers.

But today, we stand together with thousands in Burlington, Vermont and tens of thousands more, standing with us right now in every state in this nation. And we call ourselves, simply, Americans.

And we stand today in common purpose to take our country back.

I am a doctor and I was proud to be Governor of Vermont:

where we balanced our budgets
where we made sure that nearly every child in our state had health care coverage
where we are stewards of our land and natural resources
where, on the first Tuesday of March every year, Vermonters gather to make decisions on matters vital to our communities
where we hold these truths to be self evident: that all are created equal and are endowed with the inalienable rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness
And, where we, like all Americans, love our country and want to see her flag stand for freedom and justice for all. That flag is not the property of the either party, it belongs to all of us.
It is from this place that the rest of the journey of this campaign continues. We will ask the American people to participate again in our common future. I ask all Americans, regardless of party, to meet with me across the nation to come together in common cause to forge a new American century. Help us in this quest to return greatness, and return high moral purpose to the United States of America.

The great lie spoken by politicians on platforms like this is the cry of "elect me and I will solve all your problems."

The truth is the future of our nation rests in your hands, and not in mine.

Abraham Lincoln said that government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from this earth.

But this President has forgotten ordinary people.

You have the power to reclaim our nation's destiny.

You have the power to rid Washington of the politics of money.

You have the power to make right as important as might.

You have the power to give Americans a reason to vote again.

You have the power to restore our nation to fiscal sanity and bring jobs back to our people.

You have the power to fulfill Harry Truman's dream and bring health insurance to every American.

You have the power to give us a foreign policy consistent with American values again.

You have the power to take back the Democratic Party.

You have the power to take our country back.

And we have the power to take the White House back in 2004.

June 23, 2003

Source: Howard Dean for President Web Site

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:09 PM
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59. Thanks, Janx! That is my favorite speech, altho
I rther like what he's saying these days about what he'd do with the Party as Chair.

I'm really glad to have a link again.

For those who may not be familiar with this speech or Dean, there's one important fact you need to keep in mind (and it applies to this speech and AFAIK everything Dean ever says): It's not mere campaign rhetoric; he MEANS it, every word.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:14 PM
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61. Yes--I didn't mean to haul us back to that place, but the speech
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 10:15 PM by janx
itself is so indicative of what DFA is ultimately about that I had to post it. And it's such a beautiful speech. In my adult life, I have never seen/heard any political speech as fine as the Restoration speech.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:25 PM
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31. Go to DFA
www.democracyforamerica.com

There is all kinds of archieved information there.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:27 PM
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32. Hail and Hello LittleClarkie,
Dean was the first candidate this cycle to win my heart. My uncle and my cousin live in Vermont. Cousin Sarah's children get great day care and health care thanks to Dean's programs.
Also he somewhat of a folk hero for many in GLBT community for allowing civil unions in all. As a bi woman, I am eternally grateful to him. Read the below link to find out why he approved civil unions and why the Religious Right can't stand him.
http://www.americandaily.com/article/956
This is his record as governor. It's impressive.
http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/The_Dean_Dossier.htm
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:40 PM
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51. Thanks for this elshiva!
Getting to know more about Dean, myself, on this thread!
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:06 PM
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58. You're welcome, zidzi
I love that Dean quote in your message.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:07 PM
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64. Howdy hi, elshiva
Thanks for the links!

I don't know diddly about Dean, so I'm keeping an open mind. Maybe I will end up loving him too.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:28 PM
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33. "Meet Howard Dean: Just Another Republican in Democrat's Clothing"
The Man from Vermont is Not Green (He's Not Even a Liberal)

by MICHAEL COLBY
CounterPunch
February 22, 2003

For Vermonters who have seen Howard Dean up close and personal for the last eleven years as our governor, there's something darkly comical about watching the national media refer to him as the "liberal" in the race for the Democratic nomination for president.

With few exceptions in the 11-plus years he held the state's top job, Dean was a conservative Democrat at best. And many in Vermont, particularly environmentalists, see Dean as just another Republican in Democrat's clothing.

(snip)

Dean became Vermont's accidental governor in 1991 after Governor Richard Snelling died of a heart attack while swimming in his pool. Dean, the lieutenant governor at the time, took the state's political reins and immediately followed through with his promise not to offend the Snelling Republicans who occupied the executive branch. And Dean carried on with his right-leaning centrism for the next eleven, long years.

rest of article: http://www.counterpunch.org/colby02222003.html
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:35 PM
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34. I have "issues" with Counterpunch after seeing what they said about Kerry
I think they are anti-Dem in general. Did they have a good thing to say about ANY of our candidates?

I get the feeling they were Nader-leaning.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:39 PM
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35. Good point. They Kerry-bash big time. But this is just background. n/t
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:49 PM
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36. try this: "the Progressive Anti-War Candidate? The laughter rings
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:00 AM
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37. A whole bunch of good stuff: "Business As Usual, Starring HOWARD DEAN"
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MontecitoDem Donating Member (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:07 AM
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39. Are you trying to be helpful?
This was an interesing thread and it would be great if it could stay positive, since virtually the rest of DU is scrapping at each other right now. Not that alternative views of Dean aren't welcome, but citing counterpunch is not helpful.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:09 AM
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40. Using John as a touchstone once again, I'm going to have credibility probs
with that site too.

They've got that "purity" thing happening. I fear if they distort Kerry, they're gonna distort Dean. I'll read it, and add it to my bookmarks, but I'll be believing them about as much as I'd believe "Unfit for Command."
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:28 AM
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44. SSDD.... Take note of the tactic...


Step 1 Distort a premise about Dean:

Example: take the fact "Dean says he is against the Iraq war" and distort it into "Dean says he is anti-war"

Step 2 Disprove your own distortion:

Example: Ha Dean isn't anti-war because he supported the Iraq war in 91.

Step 3 Spin step 2 as uncovering a lie by Dean:

Dean is lying because he's not really anti-war.





There you have it... slinging bulls#!t is 3 easy steps.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:44 PM
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53. Very well, stated! I could see right through
the previous link that was all up in arms because of the Dean "anti-war" thing but you layed out so it's easy to understand how they smear someone.

And I wonder why they do that? What's in it for them to sling bullshit that way?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:10 AM
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41. this thing is still floating around???
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:21 AM
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43. Considering Dean didn't define himself that way, it's sort of a moot point
I do think we have enough in the negative category now actually. As someone said, I started this as a positive toward getting to know the man who may be our next DNC chair, not to refight the primary battles.

I'll look at the other side of the coin, but I'm not pleased that the thread is starting to turn these sorts of articles. Not my intention at all.

And Counter Punch makes my teeth itch.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:31 AM
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46. Yes, apparently.
Who knows why?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:55 PM
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47. Okay, I have a new section on my Kerry Message Board for Dean
under "Democratic Back Watch"

Titled, appropriately enough, A Dean Primer.

I will slowly start putting in the articles you guys gave me links to. Thanks.

Maybe I'll add a Boxer section too. Hmm. This is starting to have possibilities.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:54 PM
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63. I wanted to add that at the moment, the free board I have set up
allows guests to post without joining.

Until people stop behaving themselves of course. Then that fact may change.

Thought I'd highlight that fact for those who hate the hassle of signing up.

So if you find more Dean articles and this thread is dropped off the board, then feel free to post them at my site (link in my sig and also in my profile.)

Another warning: I'm not transfering the negative links, and I don't want them in the Dean Primer section. Post them in General Discussion if you really feel the need. I want the primer to be a positive experience.

When I investigated Kerry in June, it wasn't negative stuff I was looking for there either. I needed to "de-ABB" myself. I want this one section to be the same kind of experience. Criticism is one thing, but alot of stuff from Counterpunch and some of the other sites are just bashing, imho, and I don't want it. Not to stifle free speech or anything, that's just how I feel.

I think my next project will be either Clark or Boxer.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:58 PM
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54. Here's some links I found,
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:32 PM
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57. A couple of actually decent articles on Dean and his war stance.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2086440/
The Worldview of Howard Dean
SNIP.."War and unilateralism: Dean caught fire in the 2004 presidential race based on his opposition to the Iraq war. But in July 2003, he cautioned that he had "told the peace people not to fall in love with me." He claims to have supported every U.S. military intervention after Vietnam and before Iraq. In August 2002, he said he would support a unilateral invasion of Iraq if President Bush could "show that there's evidence has either atomic or biological weapons and can deliver." Dean ended up opposing the war on the grounds that Bush 1) should have worked through the United Nations to disarm Iraq (or to depose Saddam, if Iraq failed to comply with inspections); 2) should have given more consideration to the concerns of U.S. allies; and 3) never should have claimed that Iraq presented an imminent biological or nuclear threat to the United States.

After the war, Dean said, "I am not a pacifist. I believe there are times when pre-emptive force is justified, but there has to be an immediate threat, and there just wasn't in this case."

However, when U.S. forces killed Saddam Hussein's sons, Dean remarked, "It's a victory for the Iraqi people ... but it doesn't have any effect on whether we should or shouldn't have had a war. … I think in general the ends do not justify the means."

Defense spending: On June 22, 2003, after rival candidate Dennis Kucinich proposed cuts in military programs, Dean replied, "I don't agree with Dennis about cutting the Pentagon budget when we're in the middle of difficulty with terror attacks."

Here is the statement everyone quotes but only in part.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/30/ftn/main523726.shtml

SCHIEFFER:.."Governor, you are unabashedly seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, out already raising money for that.

You have said at this point that the president has not yet made the case for war, and that nothing so far has justified a unilateral strike into Iraq.

But Iraq now says, over the weekend, that it will not accept tougher rules for inspection. Doesn't that make the case now for the administration?

GOV. HOWARD DEAN, D-VT: Not quite yet. There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies. The question is, is he an immediate threat? The president has not yet made the case for that.

I think it may very well be, particularly with the news that we've had over the weekend; that we are going to end up in Iraq. But I think it's got to be gone about in a very different way. It really is important to involve our allies, to bring other people into the coalition, to get a decent resolution out of the U.N. Security Council.

And if Saddam persists in thumbing his nose at the inspectors, we are clearly going to have to do something about it. But I'm not convinced yet and the president has not yet made the case, nor has he ever said, this is an immediate threat....."

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