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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:03 AM
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My letter in reply, to one John Kerry.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 12:15 AM by dave123williams
Dear John,

You're going to fight Rumsfeld with an e-petition? Great.

Where were you when Barbara Boxer was the only person in the Senate railing against voter disenfranchisement? Where were your convictions that day?

Your MLK day speech was a day late, and a dollar short.

You got the nomination because it was beleived you were 'electable'. Not because of what you believed in, not because you were riding an ideological wave in to the White House.

You didn't inspire anybody; and we gave you every opportunity.

The party is doomed to have people like you driving them through the
wilderness until someone stands up and starts loudly speaking truth to
power. Until you find it within yourself to do so, you've lost my vote.

Kindest regards,

David S. Williams




______________________________________________________________________


Dear David,

Earlier today, I voted in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee against the nomination of Dr. Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. This vote is an
expression of my determination that we hold the Bush administration accountable.

Dr. Rice is a principal architect, implementer, and defender of a series of Administration policies that have not made our country as secure as we
should be and have alienated much-needed allies in our common cause of winning the war against terrorism. Regrettably, I did not see in Dr. Rice's
testimony before our committee any acknowledgment of the need to change course or of a new vision for America's role in the world.

On Iraq, on North Korea, on Iran, to name just a few of the most critical challenges, it seems to be more of the same. I hope I am proven wrong. I hope
the course will change. And I hope that the Administration will recognize the strength of a foreign policy that has bipartisan support.

I am prepared to work with Dr. Rice and others in the Administration to try to reach agreement on policies that will truly strengthen our security and
restore America's credibility on the world stage. And I am confident colleagues on both sides of the aisle are prepared to do so as well.

But, we've got to remain firm in our insistence that those who create policies that don't work have the courage to admit their mistakes and the wisdom
to change course. Our johnkerry.com community has been expressing that determination in huge numbers.

Over 700,000 people have called on President Bush to fire Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense.

If you haven't signed the Rumsfeld petition, please do so immediately.

http://www.johnkerry.com/ReplaceRumsfeld

And, please forward the petition right now to friends and colleagues, urging them to join in this effort.

I know you share my strong convictions on the importance of holding the President and his Cabinet accountable. I pledge to you that I will not yield in
this effort. Let's keep working together. America's future is at stake.

Sincerely,

John Kerry
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:04 AM
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1. It's nice to see you're not bitter
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 06:26 AM
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48. lol
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:06 AM
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2. I think it's a great response.
Very well put.

:hi:
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:12 AM
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3. Well if that is how you feel. then great!
But I would take my name and my city and state off this letter. It is not a good idea to leave it on.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:14 AM
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:22 AM
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5. He made 'statements'?
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 12:24 AM by dave123williams
He failed to show up for the vote on the matter in the Senate. He was out of the country on a photo-op in Iraq. Evidently, that was more important to him than if the vote was, in any way, rigged. It was more important to him than standing for his principals, for his values.

Bitter? You've lost both houses of Congress, the White House (twice), and now Bush has four more years to stack the Bench. Your view of 'positivity', and mainstream Democratic thinking on how to play hardball, has put a deathmark on liberalism and perhaps on Democracy in this country.

Full of shit? I'm not the one trying to say Kerry isn't a LOSER.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #5
21. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:29 AM
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40. Oh, he makes a statement alright....

And that statement is "I've got your WMD RIGHT HERE." And those pants are NOT RIGGED.

I'm going to need to go in for a full investigation.



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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:31 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. WMDs you say?
It's a good thing I am a UN certified weapons inspector! Fortunately, I do not think this WMD will be difficult to find.

Let's go in!
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:33 AM
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42. I think...
...I will forgo my Haz-Mat suit this time.

They just get in the way.

Alright, citizen. Let's check this thing out from top to bottom.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:33 AM
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8. Hmm, what does that man lying on his back snoring do?
Let's see.

(click)

Ahh, much better.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I need to get off me arse and write my own letters. Happy, supportive, back-watching ones.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:06 AM
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15. I voted for Kerry & would have voted for ANY Dem. who won the nomination
but I find it troubling that he would not speak for himself...in your quotes 'having his legal team make several press releases through the time leading up to MLK's birthday.' I don't recall him ever speaking directly to the people, only his advisers and legal team.

Can you show me where 'he' actually spoke in public about this subject and to those who voted for him about election fraud?

A legal team speaking for you is not what I feel a real leader would do. Reminds me of *'s advisor's, press people, et al speaking for him.

Yes, I voted for him and campaigned for him, but after he conceded, I don't recall ever hearing him speak out about these matters.

I am not a Kerry basher per se, but I do have trouble with people who don't stand up and speak to the people directly.

I sat on the fence during the primaries, altho I was leaning toward Clark when he dropped out and Kerry was the presumptive nominee. After that, I was K/E all the way.

Today (I wasn't able to watch last night's confirmation hearings) I was once again impressed by the man. He and Boxer were the only 2 people who had the guts to 'put their money where their mouth is'. Does that excuse his silence to the people? I'd have to say yes, since he is now back to the job he has held for so many years... a respectable US Senator.

I heard so many on the committee say they had 'concerns' about Rice's credibility, but when push came to shove, they voted for her.........Kudos to the 2 who didn't and one of them was Kerry. The other is Boxer (my former Senator, since I lived in CA for years and voted for her twice).

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #4
49. "I dare you to show me where on DU
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 06:40 AM by JNelson6563
anybody said Kerry is perfect."

Oh, nobody's gone quite that far but what you have written is the most common substitute. Name-calling personal attacks in place of reasoned discussion with a Kerry-critic.

Could you be more predictable dear little bot?

Julie
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:28 AM
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6. Well, would you be happier if he had voted for Condi?
Just askin.

:shrug:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:32 AM
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7. file 13
:cry:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. Hang in there hun
The timing of these posts is always so weird. Right after a good and/or positive action, someone comes up with one of these. Not saying anything, except it always makes me feel like someone has decided to plug his ears and eyes and just not get it.

I suspect that certain people will never get over this behavior, not matter what the man does. I'm not looking for everyone to be a supporter, but it would be nice to see the breast beating slow down. Surely their bumpy bits are quite concave by now.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:35 AM
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9. It's obvious to me
You care more about your own whining, conflated self-pity than about actually working toward any practical liberal goals. Kerry was one of two senators today who voted against Condi. Not good enough for your self-righteous, holier-than-thou standards? Tough shit. Does he have to publicly flog himself before you "forgive" him? Not that it matters; he doesn't need your forgiveness or your approval.

If he bothers you that much, then here's a thought: quit paying attention to him. Quit writing letters to him. Ignore him, get off your ass, stop whining, and work for change. And quit bothering the rest of us with your infantile blubbering that accomplishes nothing constructive.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:45 AM
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24. HOLY SHIT YES.
May I add "overinflated sense of entitlement" to your description? It's so prevalent with the bashers. I personally think Kerry deserves a good ol' BJ for all his efforts.

I think I'll write him a letter to that effect.
Care to join me?
:evilgrin:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #24
31. Oh of course
After, senate business and dismantling recalcitrant Bushbots is a HARD day's work!

He deserves a little relaxation after that, methinks :P
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:09 AM
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34. Let me do my snake trick.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 04:09 AM by Vektor
:wow:

Ok. Let's do this.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:16 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. You'll need it
Maybe we should tag team him?
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:22 AM
Response to Reply #35
38. Do you want...
the branch, or the coconuts?
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:33 AM
Response to Reply #38
43. I'm a treehugger
So you are more than welcome to the fruit.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:35 AM
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44. I'll take it.
I love the coconut milk!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:37 AM
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10. So he finally does something right, and you berate him for it.
You obviously haven't studied much psychology.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:10 AM
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12. Speak for yourself
Speak for yourself when you say John Kerry didn't inspire anyone. It's not about anyone speaking loudly it's about making the right points when they speak. We all saw what good Dean's scream did.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 06:12 AM
Response to Reply #12
47. The election was Kerry's to lose, and he didn't dissappoint...

How incompetent would you have to be to lose to what the neo-conservatives have wrought in the last four years?

Kerry...blew...it...he couldn't win against a guy who lied to get us in to a defecit financed war, while giving every rich guy in America a tax-break.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:34 AM
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13. penny wise, pound foolish
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 01:39 AM by Lexingtonian
On deciding where the problem with the Party lies, I'm gonna go with "David Williams" representing it here rather than "John Kerry".

My response to this response is "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." It will take a minor beating with the Clue Stick to clear up all the implicit fallacies to this OP. But suffice it to say: voters voted for Republicans on November 2 because of perceived Democratic selfrighteousness on foreign policy, perceived Democratic ideas of entitlement based in inadequate ideology, and to a smaller degree perceived Democratic fudging on domestic social policy. Notice how this has everything to do with the sense of the Party, heavily flavored by the Dean contingent's behavior, and Kerry is quite a bit less responsible for the appearances of these things than alleged.

Notice also that Kerry is expending himself in reestablishing Democratic credibility in foreign affairs, is leaving the internal ideological fight well enough alone, and isn't wasting any time on domestic social policy (which is out of his hands).

And that's about the most restrained possible response I can give you. Train your guns on getting other Democrats in line and working for the good of the whole, Kerry is part of the solution and not part of the problem now.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:07 AM
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16. Blaming Kerry entirely for the loss means not having to look in the mirror
and ask oneself what part one also played in that loss. Must be comforting to put all the responsibility and blame on someone else. And how very Bush-like. Mistakes? Me?

At least when Kerry made campaign mistakes, he changed course and corrected.

If others in our party are too willing to place the blame on Kerry without reserving some of it for ourselves, then we will learn nothing from this election, except to think that if we just pick someone new, it will all be better.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 07:52 AM
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:44 AM
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14. Too bad he's one of our most vocal critics of the * gang
he's doing a lot of good and you want to complain?

I'm very proud of what he's doing in the Senate.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:10 AM
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17. I liked what he said in his "man in exile" video
He was one of the few even talking fight right then. That same week Clinton came out all conciliatory, and Kerry talked of fighting the Bush agenda and not going away. Now it seems many of the Dems feel this way. I hope they keep it up.

Bless them if they're going to filibuster Condi. That should be purdy to watch.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:45 AM
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18. Call the waaaaaaaaahmbulance, this one's critical!
When the objection to the Ohio electors was raised, Kerry was in the Middle East gathering information that he put to very good use in the Condi Rice hearings today and yesterday. I have no problem with people thinking that was a wrong choice, but c'mon -- it's not like that was the ONLY important thing going on in the world at the time, and he was sure as hell not on a nice mellow vacation!

And saying he didn't inspire <i>anybody</i>....well, if you really believe that, you need to get out more.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:03 AM
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19. Wow, it's volatile. 1 am CT, and people argue, AND
have opinions. I adore my lib friends. You all rock!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:14 AM
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20. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. You love him, I love you.
It's as simple as that. I Love Mr. Kerry!!! and angrydem!
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:51 AM
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28. I love him too.
Enough to eat. :-)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:54 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Wow. I'm speechless!
Here's another ??: E.T.E. We could have a contest with that!
OK, Vec, EnoughToEat, ETE! Get it now?
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:58 AM
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30. Heh heh...
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 04:01 AM by Vektor
...will this be like a hot dog eating contest?
:evilgrin:

And yes, I like that. We have a new DU acronym.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:05 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. Regular hot dogs? Or footlongs?
I'd love to participate in this contest. :evilgrin:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:08 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. Brace yourself.
I have a STRONG FEELING we're dealing with footlongs here.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:17 AM
Response to Reply #33
36. Oooh!
It takes a special bun to fit those!

Good thing I come prepared.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:23 AM
Response to Reply #36
39. I always
try to come prepared.

Well, prepared or not, with Kerry at the helm, you are at least guaranteed to come.

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:35 AM
Response to Reply #39
45. Especially if he's bringing the footlong hot dog
It'll be an earth-shattering good time.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. I'll take mine...
...WITH RELISH.
How many calories do you suppose are in that thing?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:40 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. I love your posts angrydemocrat!
They are on point and:

:yourock:
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:46 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Thanks but here is the man that rocks the house
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 04:19 AM by angrydemocrat
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. Oops
bad link.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:51 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. Do you work for Yahoo? Cause, I'm not feeling t, or seeing it. nt
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:21 AM
Response to Reply #27
37. Finally! I got it fixed
Sometimes they just don't want to work LMAO!
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