***** CSPAN2 COVERING ANTI-BUSH PROTEST *****

[paineinthearse]

:grouphug:

[paineinthearse]

1. Brian Becker, ANSWER national coordinator

[Desertrose]

2. thx for the heads up n/t

[ally_sc]

4. thanks..guess i will have to retrack that...abt the tv n/t

[liberalnurse]

3. Thanks.....

Now that is more like it! Where is John Kleeb???????

[WahooJunkie]

5. Anyone care to give us a little play-by-play?

Just for those of us at work....

[rockedthevoteinMA]

31. Will Pitt is blogging from it on

http://truthout.org/fyi/

[progressiveBadger]

6. Awesome

I wish I was there.

[rodeodance]

8. Lots of camerapersons--crowd seems a bit scattered and small?

What is your take on the crowd?

[hang a left]

14. That is my take.

Not as big as I imagined it would be.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

33. here

Marchers coming
Thursday 20 January 2005 @ 10:54
My mistake. The small crowd here is waiting for two separate columns of marchers to arrive from different parts of the city. The air is filled with the sound of sirens.

http://truthout.org/fyi/

[progressiveBadger]

19. Seems small

but you can't ever tell. I haven't seen any pan shots, just closeups on the speakers.
We need a nice pan shot of some of the protests!

[Cheswick2.0]

7. how many people are there?

[tyedyeto]

10. Not many right now.

Becker said many are waiting in line to get thru checkpoints.

[blue neen]

16. Becker says he expects thousands or tens of thousands by

2:00 this afternoon.

[paineinthearse]

9. Dan Wilson, Ntwk Solidarity w/ People in the Phillipines

[rodeodance]

12. crowd looks small to me--lots of pockets of open space

[rodeodance]

18. he said the chant "US out of the Phillipines--US out of Iraq"

[paineinthearse]

11. ANSWER J20 video

http://answer.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ANS_J20video

[rodeodance]

13. said buses coming in yet from out of town--have to fo thru checkpoints

[rodeodance]

15. SFSCME NY dist. President-Brenda Stokely--she is good -like the hat

[blue neen]

21. She's awesome.

She's getting some great cheers from the crowd.

[Skidmore]

17. Some of those chants are too

wordy and complicated. Simplify, simplify, simplify the message and the language.

[rodeodance]

22. talking of deperate need to ORGANIZE,--to tear down what needs to

be torn down (mentioned 'war criminals"

[realFedUp]

20. Someone PLEASE tell these speakers they are on a microphone....

Don't need to scream, screech, yell.

otherswise....yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

[rodeodance]

23. they said the motorcade was going by "no justice, no pease--Us out of

the middle east"

Most be a lot of motercades going by.

[rodeodance]

24. asked "where is bin ladin" bring our troops home--Jack Body Pres of

US Black Farmers Association speaking

[rodeodance]

26. Boyd-we are not in agreement with Bush policies!! We do not have

much time to bring our troops home.

[paineinthearse]

25. John Boyd, national black farmers' association

Hey, the cops have their backs turned to the motorcade!!!!!

[rodeodance]

27. yeah, they gotta keep an eye on those dangerous protestors you know!

The police prob. got a special dispensation to stay turned on the protestors.

[rodeodance]

28. said they think it was Cheney's motorcade that just went by as it was

followed by an ambulance

[blue neen]

29. "Bush, Cheney what do you say, How many kids did you kill today?'

That's the best one yet.

[rodeodance]

32. you listened better--it thymes--your's is right --I goofed

[rodeodance]

30. "Bush-Cheney--How many kids did you kill today" was the chant.

whow

[rodeodance]

34. Haiti suport Network member -talking against Condi

[rodeodance]

35. crackdown in Haiti continues --many people killed on daily basis but

seldom see anything on the news about it. Yes, he is right on.

[tyedyeto]

36. Anyone know how long c-span2 will be covering this?

I have to leave for work in 15 minutes and would like to set up the dvr to record it.

Edit for typo

[rodeodance]

37. sorry, I do not know

[rodeodance]

38. nice pic of crowd--young and old--talking of neocons doing Cuban policy

[rodeodance]

39. "How many lives per gallon" protest sign --GREAT

[rodeodance]

40. I think the crowd is increasing. says 1000's behind check points yet

[rodeodance]

41. no poles allowed on cardboard sings--have to hold them up.

[rodeodance]

43. STAGE-MANAGE democracy--good line!!

[paineinthearse]

42. Send a messge to & thank CSPAN - [e-mail]

10:30 am
4:00 (est.) LIVE
Rally
Inaugural Protest
Act Now to Stop War & End Racism (A.N.S.W.E.R.)
Ramsey Clark , Department of Justice
John Boyd , National Black Farmers Association
The beginning and end of this live program may be earlier or later than the scheduled times.

===================

Send email to [e-mail]

[tyedyeto]

45. So they will be covering til 4pm est? n/t

[rodeodance]

48. thanks for address--I sent a thank you note.

[SunDrop23]

44. Thanks for the head's up!

I am at home with sick kids, so I guess I'll be able to watch the inaguration after all - at least the part of it I am interested in!

[CWebster]

46. Last time I checked

I did see a shot of people lining the streets with their backs turned.

But I have to say this, they need to stay on message and put forth speakers who aren't, I hate to say this, that don't fit into the stereotype of idealistic college students with some...niche issue. They only serve to alienate themselves when they should be appealing to, relating to the American experience - not distancing themselves with easily pigeon-holed rhetoric.

I am sorry to have to say this, but they make themselves an easy target--easy to marginalize.

[rodeodance]

51. well, Ransy Clarke is hardly the college type -te he

[CWebster]

55. noted.

Did you know he was the attorney for Serpico?

[liberalnurse]

68. Ramsey Clark

can remind us all of what we had and what now we have lost....and must fight to regain.

[blue neen]

47. The crowd is definitely getting larger now.

And more vocal.

[rodeodance]

54. large is vocal is the key

[E_Smith]

49. any one have a schedule for this?

i'm in dc thinking about checking it out.

[rodeodance]

52. says from 10am to 4 pm (est) see above note

[blue neen]

50. Ramsey Clark

"We have to take the Constitution back."

[Desertrose]

53. 21st century Guernica!!! n/t

[rodeodance]

56. what is a "Guernica"?

[blue neen]

61. Here's a quick link

http://www.pbs.org/treasuresoftheworld/guernica/gmain.html

[rodeodance]

69. thank you--the link is much appreciated

[Desertrose]

71. a small village in Spain 1937...blown to bits

on behalf of Hitler by Franco......

"...a brutal civil war ravages Spain. Republican forces, loyal to the newly elected government, are under attack from a fascist coup led by Generalissimo Francisco Franco. Franco promises prosperity and stability to the people of Spain. Yet he delivers only death and destruction.



On April 27th, 1937, unprecedented atrocities are perpetrated on behalf of Franco against the civilian population of a little Basque village in northern Spain. Chosen for bombing practice by Hitler's burgeoning war machine, the hamlet is pounded with high-explosive and incendiary bombs for over three hours. Townspeople are cut down as they run from the crumbling buildings. Guernica burns for three days. Sixteen hundred civilians are killed or wounded.

Pable Picasso's painting of that horrible event.....


From the beginning, Picasso chooses not to represent the horror of Guernica in realist or romantic terms. Key figures - a woman with outstretched arms, a bull, an agonized horse - are refined in sketch after sketch, then transferred to the capacious canvas, which he also reworks several times. "A painting is not thought out and settled in advance," said Picasso. "While it is being done, it changes as one's thoughts change. And when it's finished, it goes on changing, according to the state of mind of whoever is looking at it."

http://www.pbs.org/treasuresoftheworld/guernica/gmain.html


on edit...oops...blue neon beat me to it :)

[rodeodance]

58. says international demos on March 19-20--anniversery of invasion of

Iraq!!!!!

[Tinoire]

62. Go Ramsey! You're doing JFK proud for appointing you AG!!! n/t

[paineinthearse]

63. Articles of impeachment against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld.......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1512230

[blue neen]

57. Clark:

"Fallujah is the 21st century equivalent of Guernica."

Crowd chanting: "Impeach Bush"

[rodeodance]

59. Sara Powell, from Washington Report on ME Affairs is talking

[rodeodance]

60. jerusalem resisdents on on list to vote in Palestine election

said press left out lot of the story on the Palistine voting issue.
No surprise.

[rodeodance]

66. Bush is quilty of war crimes says one speaker

[CWebster]

64. This guy, Preston Wood(?) is pretty good. nt

[blue neen]

65. He brought a message from Ron Kovac (Born on the Fourth of July)

We have to fight against this war just like we protested against VietNam.

[rodeodance]

67. Chuck Kaufman -resembance to Micheal Moore?? Nicaragua Network

speaking now.

[rodeodance]

70. I will be with you spirit--I have to go now.

[blue neen]

72. I am actually shocked that C-Span 2 is still televising this protest.

The small area ANSWER was given by the Parks Service is now completely filled.

[Synnical]

75. It's saving my sanity

Thank you, C-Span.

[paineinthearse]

73. Phoebe Jones, globbal womens' strike

http://www.globalwomenstrike.net/

[blue neen]

74. "Racist, sexist, anti-gay. George Bush go away."

Good chant.

[hippiechick]

76. www.cspan.org

webcast for us cube dwellers :yourock:



:hippie:

[paineinthearse]

77. Send a thank-you note

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1511995&mesg_id=1512195&page=

[hippiechick]

78. The organizer in me needs to know ...

Why are they letting the meandering puggies upset them and get them off message ?

Their appearance should be more fuel for the fire - incite them to get the message out louder and clearer, not get all flustered and stand there like their kegger got busted ...

JMHO.



:hippie:

[grasswire]

79. one interesting thing...

....is that the Bush crowd is walking through this one area on Pennsylvania Avenue assigned to protesters, as they try to make their way from the Capitol to the bleachers along the parade route. Who knows why they choose to walk through this crowd of protesters, but they do, and they get mocked when they do. That's kinda funny.

[paineinthearse]

80. Rep. Cynthia McKinney, Georgia 4

http://www.house.gov/mckinney/

[CWebster]

82. Yes!

and Yes again!

[Dinger]

83. I Remember Her Speech At The A.N.S.W.E.R. Anti-War

demonstration in 2002; it was electrifying!

[paineinthearse]

86. CBC

For all their work in 2000 and 2004, the Congressional Black Causus has earned the #1 or #2 spot on the 2008 presidential ticket!

http://www.house.gov/cummings/cbc/cbchome.htm

[Synnical]

81. Cynthia McKinney!

[paineinthearse]

84. Plutocracy

Plutocracy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
This article is part of the
series on Politics
Politics
Political philosophy
Systems:
aristocracy, autocracy,
democracy, despotism,
monarchy, oligarchy,
plutocracy, theocracy
and tyranny.
A plutocracy is a government system where wealth is the principal basis of power (from the Greek ploutos meaning wealth).

The term plutocracy is generally used to describe two unrelated phenomena. In writings about history, plutocracy is the political control of the state by an oligarchy of the wealthy. Examples of such plutocracy include some city-states in Ancient Greece and the Italian merchant republics of Venice, Florence, and Genoa.

Plutocracies typically emerge as one of the first governing systems within a territory after a period of anarchy. Plutocracy is closely related to aristocracy as a form of government, as generally wealth and high social status have been closely associated throughout history.

The second usage is a pejorative reference to the allegedly great and undue influence the wealthy have on the political process in contemporary society. This influence can be exerted positively (by financial "contributions" or in some cases, bribes) or negatively by refusing to financially support the government (refusing to pay taxes, threatening to move profitable industries elsewhere, etc). It can also be exerted by the owners or major investors of media properties which can shape public perception of political issues (e.g. Rupert Murdoch's News Corp's publications alleged political agendas in Australia, the UK and the United States).

Recently, there have been numerous cases of wealthy individuals exerting financial pressure on governments to pass favorable legislation. (see: Lobbying) Most western partisan democracies permit the raising of funds by the partisan organisations, and it is well-known that political parties frequently accept significant donations from various individuals (either directly or through corporate institutions). Ostensibly this should have no effect on the legislative decisions of elected representatives; however it would be unlikely that no politicians are influenced by these "contributions". The more cynical might describe these donations as "bribes", although legally they are not. In the United States, campaign finance reform efforts seek to ameliorate this situation. However campaign finance reform has to successfully surmount challenge by officials who are beneficiaries of the system in place which allows this dynamic in the first place.


See also
Corporate abuse
Corporate police state
Corporatism
Corporatocracy
Crony capitalism
Democracy
Pareto principle (on unequal distribution of wealth)
Special interest

External links
Beyond Plutocracy (http://www.beyondplutocracy.com) -- free online book, "Beyond Plutocracy: True Democracy for America" by Roger Rothenberger

[loritooker]

85. Celeste Zappala, lost a son in Iraq. These parents break my heart.nt

[paineinthearse]

87. CSPAN2 cutting away at 3PM

...bet bush's car passes the protesters at 3:01PM.

[paineinthearse]

88. Faux vs CSPAN coverage

CCSPAN - live feed, no talking. LOUD sounds of the protesters.

FAUX - no street noise, talking about a snowball being thrown.