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Thu Jan-20-05 12:38 PM
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The president's speech...frightening. I'm terrified. |
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My kids were distracting me, but the speech sounded like the starting-gate announcement before the neocons are unleashed--to spread their "freedom" around the world.
I found this speech frightening. I literally wrapped myself in a blanket, and looked away while listening. I was reminded of Hitler and his nationalistic tough language. Bush wasn't just addressing us. He was pontificating to the world--and putting them on notice that the United States' ideals will be forced on them, in the name of "freedom."
This was a hard line speech that sends a message--we're coming to get anyone who doesn't have the proper amount of freedom in their country.
What I heard, was the president laying out unequivocal plans to invade, overpower and impose his will on any nation that he deems "lacking in freedom."
His speech was the unveiling of a marketing campaign to prop up additional invasions.
Even shots of the crowd were telling. Many looked hesitant. Many were looking around as if they were thinking, "Ummmm...what are we signing on for here?" Sure, you had your enthusiastic lemmings--but I saw lots of uneasiness.
Guys...can I just say that I'm truly frightened. I feel like I'm wandering around in a fog.
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:39 PM
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1. Yes, the next four years will be a horror. God help us all |
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Thu Jan-20-05 03:39 PM
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24. We Don't Even Know How Bad It Will Really Get |
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Thu Jan-20-05 04:28 PM
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28. Well.. dunno how you feel about this, but in 2000 |
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I got a "message" from on-high.. and was made aware that if ** took office we would see a war worse than any we have ever known. ------------------------------------ Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet! http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:41 PM
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2. Most Americans don't know |
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that when they voted for Bush** they signed on for military imperialism as part of the package. It was never discussed during the election....the words "spreading democracy", or "...bringing freedom to..." were used over and over and over again without being questioned....
Nobody seemed to knowwhat it meant...
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:46 PM
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7. I fear for the rest of the world. |
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We shall reap what we have sown.
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:02 PM
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>the words "spreading democracy", or "...bringing freedom to..." were used over and over and over again without being questioned....
>Nobody seemed to know what it meant...
Bush doesn't know either. The problem is that he doesn't really care.
Raised in a family which discounted his abilities, overshadowed by his father's career and the expected success of his brother, falling into complete loser-dom with drugs and booze, he brainwashing himself with fundamentalist clap-trap rather than go through some kind of actual rehab, Bush just wants to feel he's some kind of "winner".
He doesn't know jack squat about government, foreign affairs or even running a successful business. He just thinks the only "important" thing is winning, and doesn't care about what he's actually DOING.
I don't give him credit for being any kind of 'architect' of anything, let alone a very good liar.
Cheney, Heritage Foundation and Co. will stroke him with the same "framing" they've developed for the red states and the talk radio crowd, and he swallows it right along with them.
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:19 PM
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18. Good psyc observation |
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Thu Jan-20-05 03:43 PM
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What you said about Bush's penchant for being a "winner" is so true. He doesn't care about the consequences of his behavior, as long he is conquering the world. In his eyes, invading nations and overpowering them is "winning."
You're right, he's out to prove that he is a winner--as he runs from his past failures.
I sense intense animosity between the president and his father. When Bob Woodward asked the president if he ever consulted his father for political advice, the president skoffed, "I answer to a more important father...a higher father."
So Bush NEVER consults his own father? A former president himself? That is ultra-bizarre and seems to demonstrate a very vitriolic relationship. Your points about the presidents upbringing supports the notion that Bush is bitter about his position as failure/clown in his own family.
Now, the world will suffer because Bush is subconciously avenging his bad childhood and dysfunctional-family dynamics. Lovely.
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:44 PM
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3. Translation: Freedom = Corporate Rule, Profit Motive |
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It really has nothing to do with the political idea of 'freedom'. It has everything to do with the re-establishment of a system of economic and social stratification that has parasitically attached itself to the political system.
When Bush or any of the neo-cons says freedom, think Dickens. Think Poorhouses. Think sweatshops.
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:44 PM
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4. Thanks for your review. |
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I can't bear to watch him, so I'm content w/the anti-inaugural folks on CSpan2. I know I'll get an earful of Shrubbie tonight. But I also think you have a right to be very afraid. Condi threw down the glove with her comments earlier this week. She had a list of all the places this admin deems unacceptable; I'd still like to know who made the US "God"?
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:56 PM
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10. It helps that others feel the same... |
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This is all so surreal.
It's like watching a train wreck--that others see as a powerful locomotive headed in the right direction.
Here's a direct quote from Bush's speech: "The survival of liberty in our land is dependent upon the liberty of other nations."
Bush has inextricably intertwined our nation's survival with the political status of other nations. If we deem country A as not being "free"--then that country is now a threat to OUR survival. Can't you just hear the propaganda, "Iran, by virtue of its tyranny and oppression threatens the world and her people--and therefore our nation is under direct threat. Now watch this drive."
Scary. Scary. Stuff.
I also kept thinking...who in the frick do we think we are? Who are we to put the world on notice that our brand of "freedom" will be imposed on them. How in the world did we ever come to believe that we own everybody and everything?
He also quoted the Bible and religion quite a bit--which of course was met with resounding applause.
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:46 PM
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5. Have a drink...it'll steady your knees. |
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:31 PM
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22. And According to the News. |
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A drink is good for your health!!!
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Thu Jan-20-05 03:36 PM
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bashing my head against the wall... Several drinks keeps me from bashing my head and slitting my wrists. BHN
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:46 PM
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6. He's a very scary dude - we are all totally screwed. |
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And the sheeple don't even know it but one day they will -just like we knew all along there were no WMD. The slaggards will "figger it out" when its way too late.
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:50 PM
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8. And Condi is the perfect SOS for this..(SOS--ironic)....I've been |
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reading analysis articles in places like Asia Times Online and the Indpendent saying that thank god it's Condi, she's no neo-con. Look, Bolton wasn't picked as her #2, Zoellnick from trade is also not an "idealogue".
They miss the point. Condi is the female version of Bush. They are in some weird, joined at the hip relationship. She will carry orders from him and won't even try to appear moderate, like Powell did early in his tenure. So, you can call her anything you want, but she is as radical as Bush is. And Zoellnick...yeah, he's the trade negotiator....it's all about taking over resources, so he's a perfect fit. Talk money, business and make the deals.
Rice is as cold as ice, just like Bush. I have an awful feeling about this...
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:01 PM
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11. Thx for your comments |
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because I learn that I'm not the only one who is frightened for "this" way of freedom!
You'll make me hopefully again!
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Thu Jan-20-05 12:56 PM
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I hope we don't have to learn about the price of imperialistic arrogance the hard way, as Germany and Japan did. :scared:
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:02 PM
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will NOT allow that to happen. Stay involved, don't get scared. Pay attention, write to every newspaper in your area, argue with every republican you know (this is making my husband nuts)
Bush cannot go to war with other countries without the cooperation of our military and the soldiers, and I don't think they are very willing to invade anyone else.
Have faith and keep plugging.
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Thu Jan-20-05 04:51 PM
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33. Agreed; there has to be a turning point in public opinion sometime |
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:05 PM
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14. Democracy deficit - that PNAC code name that Condi blathered |
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at the confirmation - "we used to allow it to stand , but not any longer"
Gandhi thought of such perversions of memes when he said:
"What does it matter to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" -
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:06 PM
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15. Not frightening. Weak and inconsequential. |
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It was a weak, poorly written, meaningless speech. Compare it with any footage of Hitler's speeches and you'll see how different it is. Hitler was a major force for evil, and his speeches really moved people. Bush is stupid, and maybe evil, but there is no power in any of his words - or rather the words of his feeble speechwriters.
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Thu Jan-20-05 05:53 PM
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35. He doesn't need the power in his words |
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The media will gladly prop him up as they have time and time again. It's not Bush that is moving this train-wreck forward, it's the rhetorical myth that the media has created, a marketing campaign of monumental proportions.
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:12 PM
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This is the second time this week that I got the message of more invasions in the name of freedom. I am afraid for the target countries and for our young people who will give their lives while taking the lives of others in target countries. As far as I'm concerned there have been two shots across the bow this week. I think I'll just go cry and yes I'll also pray.
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:24 PM
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19. Welcome Riding the Donkey! |
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I've been wondering for about a year how the sheeple are going to react when Dimson** launches more of his freedom crusades. Will that be what it takes for folks to realize they've been had?
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:28 PM
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Do you think that people will really start to oppose more war?
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:18 PM
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17. pResident PNAC is on the march and he has a Man Date. n/t |
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Thu Jan-20-05 01:28 PM
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20. We were talking last night |
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and my husband and I want to know how is the U.S. under Bushco any different than the U.S.S.R. after WWII? We're are going to use force to promote our ideal of what a government/country/economic system, etc. should be. We have become what we fought.
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Thu Jan-20-05 03:50 PM
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26. I couldn't bear to watch him |
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Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 03:50 PM by pookieblue
but I did read a copy of the speech. This line "All Americans have witnessed this idealism, and some for the first time. I ask our youngest citizens to believe the evidence of your eyes. You have seen duty and allegiance in the determined faces of our soldiers. You have seen that life is fragile, and evil is real, and courage triumphs. Make the choice to serve in a cause larger than your wants, larger than yourself - and in your days you will add not just to the wealth of our country, but to its character." really disturbs me. He is calling on the younger folks to sign up for his war(s).
The draft is coming.
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Thu Jan-20-05 04:30 PM
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and NO young people are signing up for the military. Trust me on this.
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Thu Jan-20-05 04:43 PM
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32. Now THAT sounds Hitleresque to me... |
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sending cold chills down my spine...
I have no idea if Hitler ever said anything like that, but it's the kind of "youth indoctrination" that wouldn't surprise me.
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Thu Jan-20-05 04:03 PM
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27. Don't worry, it was all bullshit |
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Most of his speeches are just elaborate lies. Its kind of amazing, if you watced this or the RNC speech this August, it was blatently obvious that they were pretending to be progressive.
Bush doesn't mean a damn word he said about freedom or democracy. He is just ensuring that his army of loyal sycophants in the media will have something to fawn over for the next four years other than his speeches after 9/11.
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Thu Jan-20-05 04:32 PM
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30. Don't Worry. Got Mit Uns. |
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Thu Jan-20-05 04:36 PM
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31. I am so tired of liberals being scared |
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terrified, frightened worried......that is why we do not win. Stop being scared and fight for what is good and right. Bush doesn't scare me, nothing he can do scares me. What scares me is inaction.
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Thu Jan-20-05 06:10 PM
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I am counting on you guys.
The ones who feel the rough days coming in their bones: here comes the self proclaimed savior.
the ones like Uzybon who wants to act...
man, I hear you guys!!!
No matter which way you American citizens will show your revulsion for the bushco politics please don't stop!
I am your neighbor and not yet on the list of the damned, but for how long?
Our Canadian passport used to bring respect and the trust expected from a neighbor. Not anymore. Bushco doesn't trust anyone.
I will support you every way I can.
The problem is that for the moment You are the only one who can stop him or at least slow him down on his crusade through your senators , lobbyists, representatives.
I hope that eventually the international community will join all of us who gives a damn and knows the real definition of the words: freedom, democracy and justice.
Your northern neighbor
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