How do you feel about this?

[Dez]

The Democrats voted in Condi Rice? They gave shrub the power for a preemptive strike?

[wolfgirl]

1. Every Democratic (or anyone other elected official) that

doesn't get up and loudly protest/question what this administration is doing will NOT get my vote - ever. I really liked Hillary, but she has put her ambitions above telling the truth and doing what is right.

We need more people like Kucinich & Dean & Clark to come out and make the hard speeches. Democrats should be ashamed of themselves for not supporting the people. Being afraid of getting bashed by the MSM or some GOP goon should not be our worry. To hell with what the MSM or GOP say. They are going to bash us anyway, so at least make it worth something.

Bush & Co are fascists, they are killing people, stealing our country and subverting the Constitution.

[goddess40]

13. I like the way you think wolfgirl

"Bush & Co are fascists, they are killing people, stealing our country and subverting the Constitution."

You are so right, I tell everyone I get in a political discussion with basically the same thing. It's time to call things by their correct names.

1 Republicans that are pro bush are fascists

2 Russia was never communist it was totalitarian so calling anyone a communist based on what happened in Russia is an idiot.

3 Pro-life is usually anti-choice, make them clarify when someone tells you they are pro-life (death penalty, wars based on lies...)

4 Christian - when someone has to state they are a Christian to make their point it usually means - I'm better then you so you might has well shut the hell up. I think it is related to the "my daddy can beat up your daddy" crap some kids used, then when their daddy can be used that way anymore then it becomes "my god can beat up you god".

Edit:

5 The DNC has taken the place vacated by the GOP as the conservatives and we need to shake up the top layer and let them know we aren't going to put up with their crap anymore. Two presidental elections handed over to the fascists is enough proof for me.

[annabanana]

2. They are hanging on to the old "collegiate" habits

of the Senate. Historically, there have been almost NO nay votes and there is the feeling that the "President should have the Cabinet he wants" on both sides of the aisle.

This doesn't take into account the scorched earth policies of the current criminal cabal. I think it's time for the "esteemed colleagues" to at least make symbolic protest against the administration's desire to legalize torture and release the President from all adherence to the law.

[TomClash]

3. Here's how I feel

There are only two Democrats on that Committee - Barbara Boxer and John Kerry.

[Dez]

4. It seems incredible only 2 voted against Rice

Something is very wrong with our political leaders. We are at their mercy, and the shit's going to hit the fan bigtime in the next 4 years.

[TomClash]

5. No argument here

[Danocrat]

6. I'm leaving the Party

No one speaks for me.

[Dez]

7. I've always been an Independent

Cause the Democrats bow down to the Republicans when they're in power. It's such a crooked game they all play. Let's see how bad shrub can fuck up this country in 4 years.

[annabanana]

8. BE the party, Danocrat...

Get involved locally and help us bring the ship around.

[NuttyFluffers]

9. y'know, not to single you out, but with loving criticism....

this doesn't really help. this doesn't 'solve' anything. it's a generic platitude, 'help the party with grassroots effort,' but it doesn't deal with details.

now... even though i'm not a registered democrat, and have no interest in registering as one, perhaps i can offer you an idea to work on. why don't you ask people who reply in such a manner, who seem disheartened, where they are generally located (or who's their representative) and give a viable alternative for them to vote on, work for. like say... 'hey, your representative is Mr. X, let's discuss if he's progressive enough to support. no? let's dump him, here's the nearest challengers, we endorse Mrs. Y. let's get some effort in to recall out Mr. X and replace him with Mrs. Y. here's how you can get in contact with others who'd work with you.'

i mean, you have the state forums and all, a great networking resource and huge access to information on the internet(s).

this "stay positive, keep the faith, all the party representatives are shiney, happy folk" approach is starting to sound reeeaaaal old and offers no *detailed, pro-active solutions*. it's the same run around people had before. give them a game plan and actuate their rage and you have a movement. give them generalities and confuse their purpose and you get... what we got in the war on terror and iraq, a big freakin' mess.

so go confab with other democratic party cheerleaders and have them come up with something, anything, in terms of gameplan and actualizing their frustrations. see, there's a reason dean rallies support, because he calls upon these two basic principles of leadership.

[annabanana]

11. I'm not "cheerleading" for the Democratic Party....

If you can think of another, more viable mechanism in place to stop this criminal cabal sooner, please let me know. Packing your bags and heading North is not an option for most Americans. (at least not the grown-ups).

I'm serious, what options do you propose?

[NuttyFluffers]

21. *sigh* i just gave you a solution...

to actively replace "the officials in the grassroots level." but instead of just *saying* it you actually work with a contingent of optimistic democrats (unlike the legion of thoroughly disillusioned ones) and make a real gameplan, with real details, with real and open strategy.

for example, people don't like ... feinstein, just picking my senator because she really should be better than what she's been lately. well, i am no longer impressed, in fact i'm quite mad. what to do? have those who know california politics, find a viable candidate, start a grassroots rumor mill -- with the 'hidden truth', gossip endlessly that feistein needs to be replaced (because she's incompetent) and finish that she needs to be replaced with Mrs. Z. see if she can be recalled and use the grapevine and elbow grease to get it done. lather, rinse, repeat for each and every official office. can't stand the PTA of Modesto? scan the candidates, encourage a few progressives here and there to run against, pick the best one before the primaries, run a gossip mill -- this time with truth -- hammer the message, let 6 degrees of separation do its magic.

but you gotta have a real target first, that's why criticism is *of prime importance*. without criticism we cannot find out that which needs weeding from spoiling the crop. without discernment, without differenciation, judgement -- and therefore action based on sound judgement -- is impossible.

in stifling criticism you by very definition destroy the natural process of any movement. without direction what's the point of action, apathy and disillusionment prevails, so the process of direction must be discovered first. the only way to discover direction is to find where you are, what you like and don't like about it, and what needs to be removed or added to improve it. you cannot skip the process directly into action without sound awareness of where you are and where to go from there.

[Dez]

10. Not this puppy.

I'd head North of the border if I had the money. Half the country doesn't even vote, for God's sake. Getting involved at this point will only bring me down to their level. No thanks.

[annabanana]

12. In other words, you have given up.

You are either stockpiling weapons or are falling into the kind of despairing denial that guarantees that the country is doomed. (May I ask a personal question? Do you have children?)

[Dez]

14. Weapons? Don't make me laugh.

I said I wanted to go to Canada *LoL*.. I have no use for weapons. I'm not into fighting for this country.. and I have no children to offer up to fight wars for this country.
If you think all this can be helpful to turn things around, my hat's off to you, but I think it's all a waste of time. Dems confirmed Rice, and gave shrub the power he craved.. And another war on the horizon.. what's to fight? WHat do you think we can do about it all??

[annabanana]

15. so your kind of in the same boat as

the "rapture" people.....It's our of our hands, so charge up the old cards, party hardy
"Whoopie we're all gonna die"

ok

[Dez]

19. Got no cretid cards

and don't want any. I just want to live simply, so that others may simply live. I don't want to be part of the problem. I have no debts, and I don't want to go to the mall. I'm just going to observe what happens in the next 4 years and I realize I am powerless over the future of this country with the political system being so out of control as it is now. It's going to take a lot to wake people up to vote, but at the moment, we don't have any people with integrity to vote FOR. Nader wanted to clean it up, but only a few agreed with that. Let's see where everyone's vote gets us.

[Catchawave]

16. My concern with a Condi confirmation....

...she tapped dance around the questions, so if she's OH-fishally confirmed by the Senate, goodness knows what else they confirmed.

Same for a Gonzales confirmation. Worried I am !

[cyn2]

17. I agree with others...

No more votes for wimps.

I hope the Democratic party has the sense next time to run someone from outside the beltway. No way a senator will win.

I think Hillary is doing a good job for the people of NY, but she lost my vote when she voted for the war.

We need someone who will stand up for what they believe in. I only became a democrat (switched from Ind.) to participate in my state dem. caucus last Jan. I voted for Wes Clark.

Even though I swore I'd never vote for Kerry after he voted for the war--and that was after many years of being an admirer of his stance on the Vietnam war--I of course voted for him on Nov 2--I even ran the GOTV in my town. Soooooo.......we need to start working now for those we believe will be able to lead the progressives in this country.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. yes the blood of our children and the innocent is on their hands too!!!!

[Dez]

20. The blood of all the innocent Iraqis

are on the hands of ALL the politicians who voted to give shrub the power he craved. All should be punished.