Blue State Secession-still a good idea?

[European Socialist]

I was interested in this in the days following Nov. 2 -but then the election fraud issue kind of blocked it out. I think we need to get away from those who don't believe in progressive government- and maybe the RW might agree to a joint operating agreement where Red and Blue States can govern independently on certain issues.

[seriousstan]

1. Only if we want to look foolish.

This is right up there with the "I am leaving the country" idea.

[European Socialist]

7. That is another option.

Progressives have a hard enough time winning in Blue States. I would like to be in the majority some time in my life.

[seriousstan]

12. I don't know how old you are

but, judging by your comment, I would have to guess that you were'nt voting in 1992. We had a very solid majority then until the 94 elections.

That said, politics change rapidly. Give it time. Like I said, it was only 10 years ago.

[European Socialist]

16. Clinton was Repuke Lite-and still dominated by RW.

[seriousstan]

23. I wasn't really talking to you......but thanks for your opinion.

At a deeper level, I was not talking about Clinton but about the issue of having a majority. The executive branch set the agenda, especially in this admin, but the legislative branch makes the laws. They can continue to press an agenda only when they have a majority. It's nice to have the top man in the White house but I would rather have the power to change things.

Trifecta is the ideal but 2 of a kind often wins and a single ace rarely wins.

[BeatleBoot]

2. Never was a good idea.

In fact, I hadn't heard it until now.

Pretty stupid, really.

[democracyindanger]

3. Never a good idea

Look, there are no 'red states' and 'blue states.' It's a good division for snark, but not a good one for reality.

[pstans]

4. Winning situation for the Blue States

If the Red States lost the blue states, what would be left for the red states? Nothing. NY, California, Chicago, Philly would all be gone. The Red States would be left with piece of crap Texas and a bowl of dust.

[DaveinMD]

5. no

there are good people in the red states we need to save.

[Jamastiene]

9. thank you thank you thank you

for thinking of me and the others like me. To the person who posted the idea originally, please don't leave us stranded if you do decide to do that. Or start a decent nonprofit program to help us relocate first.

[DaveinMD]

19. We can win campaigns in red areas

if we run good races and compete for votes. I've worked on these campaigns. It can be done.

[Jamastiene]

27. Any tips on how to get them to let someone into

their campaigns. There was one lady who ran for school board here. I got a political sign and begged and pleaded, but she wouldn't let me "work on the campaign" with her. She was the only one around here that had any refreshing ideas to me. I did get to put a sign out in the front yard for her though.

[DaveinMD]

30. There is no hope with people like that

I work as a direct mail/political consultant. So this isn't a problem with me. We need to find good candidates. This means starting to run people at all levels. Our candidates must outwork the other side to win. I won a county commissioner race on the Eastern Shore of Maryland that by all reasonable standards shouldn't have been won.

While Maryland is blue, the Eastern Shore is not. The Republican Governor candidate got over 62 percent in this county. We won because my candidate knocked on every possible door, ran a great field program, and had a simple message that appealed to Democrats, Independents and some Republicans. We cannot give up on these areas. We just need to work harder in these areas.

So getting back to your question, if these other candidates are no good, I suggest running for office yourself.

[Blue_In_AK]

22. Thank you n/t

[Pushed To The Left]

31. Excellent point!

That not only applies to Democratic voters in red states, but to voters on the other side who have been brainwashed by the right-wing political machine. They all need to be rescued from the right! Red State Rescue in '06 and '08!

[Wabbajack]

6. It's not even possible

Can't happen.

[European Socialist]

10. not talking Civil War.

But, I really don't want to see Hillary in 2008 doing a campaign ad at a "shootin range".

[seriousstan]

24. You lost me there, What are you talking about?

The quote parentheses are throwing me, I guess. Could you be clearer?

[European Socialist]

29. I'm saying to win Red States -you have to put on an act.

[tridim]

8. The red states would never give up the sea ports,

the manufacturing states, and the tax-dollar welfare provided by the blue states.

[me b zola]

17. Yeah, they kill for that

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[TNDemo]

11. Can the blue states support half the population of the red states?

Because the liberals will all want to emigrate to the new blue country and all of the red states are almost half liberal.

[European Socialist]

13. Right wingers from Blue States will head South to even things out.

[Jamastiene]

15. that sounds like a possible plan

Maybe someone should do some research and come up with a plan. I need ideas on how to escape this hellhole half horse town where I live.

[seriousstan]

28. I have to disagree. Would you move? I wouldn't. I'd fight.

Again, understand, this is in the imaginary world where this could possibly happen.

[Jamastiene]

33. I'd move because

I'd be totally alone in my neck of the woods against a bunch of redneck hunters with uzis. Think about it. Fight? You must be kidding. I'd rather go to a place with slightly better history anyhow. Been wanting to move since I outgrew this state. I was about 7 years old when I finally realized I had already done everything there was to do here.

[kineneb]

34. probably

The mid-west may be the bread basket, but California supplies most of the fresh fruit and vegetables. And not so long ago we also had large grain harvests.

Q:"But CA is so expensive, why stay?"
A:It just costs a little more to live in paradise...and I don't need to own a snow shovel!

[bluestateguy]

14. Only if they make Austin, TX an official territory

Like Hong Kong, China was for the British until 1997.

[Maddy McCall]

18. The ONLY REASON PPL POST IDIOTIC THREADS LIKE THIS...

Is to divide DUers. Yeah, like "blue state secession will ever happen. :eyes:

I see many DUers are taking the bait, though.

[European Socialist]

25. It makes more sense than trying to change people who like

being backward. Look hard at the last 30 years. Has life improved for the average person.

[martymar64]

20. The United States of Pacifica

It would be nice for CA, OR, and WA to secede. CA by itself has the world's 5 th largest only with access to Pacific Rim trade and we could improve our relations with Canda and Mexico. We could normalize relatiopns with Cuba and use the ecoonomic powerhouse that is Silicon Valley to boost the econmy. We would welcome anyone from the rest of the country for a red-state amnesty. WE would be a literal "beacon unto the world"

[kineneb]

35. I'm with you!

Happily living in NorCal.
Great-grandfather left Kansas in 1908 and we ain't been back since.

[lonestarnot]

21. Hell no! Fight 'em to a cold finish!

[me b zola]

26. Or, look at it like this

I'm all for asking the neocons to leave...pick up, go, leave us alone, go speak in tongues somewhere else.

They hate our Constitution; they are in the process of dismantling it.
They hate our Democracy, they hate liberty, they hate freedom, they hate freedom of speech,thought, & freedom of movement. They hate the United States & everything that we aspire to be.


Sorry for the rant, but I just wish that they would all find their rock to crawl back under.

[Jamastiene]

32. more like caves

My opinion. They aren't evolved enough to understand what it is to be progressive. Just think about it. They would be the cavemen who called the first fire starters heretics. Then on a cold wet night they would steal it and try to keep the ones who figured out how to start it from coming back into the cave where it was warm. We should really write a "beginnings of humankind" story from experience. The reason they don't believe in evolution as even a decent theory is because they haven't done it yet. So I think they need to go back into the cave and the rest of us should lock them in whilst letting the bats come and go through small openings. :) That would be a nice start.

[me b zola]

37. LOL

Thanks, I needed a bit of cheering. The image of bat letting did it for me.:smoke:

[Yupster]

36. In 1860, it was an open question

as to whether secession was legal or not.

It's not an open question any more. Secession has been determined to be illegal, first on the battlefield, and later in the courts.