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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:36 PM
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How to inform the world that not all US citizens are Bushbots?
Besides being frighted out of my gourd--by Bush's inauguration speech--I'm also very concerned about the attitudes that those around the world have of Americans.

Bush pretty much created a new US Doctrine--that we will forcefully establish "freedom" in any damn country we seek to invade.

I'm unclear about how the world views U.S. citizens. Do they understand that at least half of us detest Bush with a white-hot passion? Do they know how troubled we are and how much we are suffering, due to Bush's policies?

I'm wondering if there are Web sites (or other forms of communication) where Americans can help the world understand that not all Americans agree with Bush.

I think it's important that we let the world know that we're not all warmongering, careless, bullies who want to firebrand their country with Bush's sick idea of "freedom"?


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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:41 PM
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1. As a US citizen living in Scotland...
Most rational people pretty much realize that not all Americans are ignorant Bush followers... then again, my anti-bush pin I keep on my jacket helps a bit too...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:44 PM
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2. Off topic: How did you fare in Scotland
w/ the hurricanes? I heard about all the nasty weather there.
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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:55 PM
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7. It was shitty for a bit, but it was not that bad...
We got alot of rain, but we are used to that, and the snow was a nice break from the rain. It honestly did not affect me much, but I am pretty laid back, and just take things in stride.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:45 PM
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3. My suggestion is...
Be. Here. Now.

There are quite a few European DUers. I have been enjoying reading the threads about Bu$hie's upcoming visit. They are buying tickets to go protest at the destinations where Bu$hie will be. We have some really good activist partners over in (ahem) Old Europe.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:29 PM
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9. That's great that there are Europeans here...
I've seen some posts on DU from European friends. It's good to know that they are here, and that they understand we're not all drinking the Bush Kool-Aid.

I hope more of our international friends find this site.

I worry about our friends in the Middle East, also. After all, Bush pretty much put the bulls-eye on their neighborhoods.

I feel horrible that I live in a country with a leader who thinks he has the right to dictate how the rest of the world should work. I'm ashamed and I guess I feel a bit guilty.

I wish there was a way to reach out to the world--to let them know how we feel.

Maybe I'll create a Web site.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:46 PM
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4. I have a few friends who live outside
the US and have made myself perfectly clear regarding * and what I think about him, so hopefully that helps. I'll bet there are a lot of forums though I do see quite a few Europeans on here, so some are searching for the truth.
Also, the Lonely Planet website has a political forum you can get involved in. Under Thorntree.
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MariaS Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:49 PM
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5. Here are a few sites
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:30 PM
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10. Thanks for those sites, Maria...
...I'll check em out. :)
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:50 PM
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6. Perhaps They Aren't Fully Aware Of The Intensity
of our dislike of this Idiot Boy King, but I think they do have some indication that we are DIVIDED.

I don't feel they would be as vocal if they didn't feel some of it. Never before have I seen so MANY countries actually expressing their views against The Idiot's policies. At least I'm hoping it's mainly directed at the administration!

The Guardian of London does a pretty good job of keeping up the rhetoric, and Tony Blair has very definitely backed AWAY from The Idiot Boy King concerning Iran! HE must be getting the message anyway!

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:13 PM
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8. Unfortunatley, when our Senators vote in favor of criminals like Rice and
Gonzales, they send a huge message that Americans are united behind the murderer Bush.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:36 PM
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11. I'm overseas -- and people here are pissed at bush and
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 09:40 PM by DELUSIONAL
the idiots that voted for him.

People in the Carib region really believe that bushie won -- by a huge margin.

For some reason the International Press is NOT reporting the Election fraud -- the computer vote hacking -- the SoS in Ohio and his role in the election mess.

Most of the islands have International communities -- they are well aware of the illegal invasion of Iraq. I'd say that the reputation of the US is wrecked almost beyond repair.

So far I've found it best to let people vent their anger -- often after I've made it clear that I did not vote for the creep now illegally occupying the white house. Then I tell them about the unreported news of the election fraud -- and how easy it is to manipulate the vote totals. Also I point out that Kerry won the Exit polls.

Most people (non-Americans) remember that Kerry won the exit polls -- and then somehow this story got lost. Kerry really did us a disfavor by conceding far too early. There is no way that questions about election fraud in Ohio and other states could make in to the International media -- he quit -- and the International Press went on to other stories.

The problem is that election fraud is a complicated story.

Cuba is seen as a moderate -- they are seen as the good guys -- and Americans -- well we are the Ugly Americans. This is a flash back to the Nixon era (I was overseas for a summer during the Nixon reign) -- and Americans were the Ugly Americans because of Vietnam.

Hatred of bush in the Carib is close to 99.9% -- with the exception of a few conservative Canadians. Locals in the Carib region does not trust him -- they believe he is out of control. In the Carib region people believe that one of bushies targets will be Cuba. Bush made no friends with his token support after the Hurricanes hit various islands in the region -- plus the bush supported coup in Haiti.

It ain't easy being an American overseas -- I haven't figured out an International symbol for -- "I didn't vote for the fuckface in the White House."

The only way that the International Press is going to cover the story of Election Fraud -- and the fact that so many of us stand with the rest of the world in their disgust with bush --

the only way the International press is going to pick this up is IF Kerry starts speaking out and given interviews to the International press.

Four years ago people in the Carib region knew that Jeb Bush gave the election to his brother. Generally this was expressed as "that Jeb Bush made his brother president" or something along those lines.

Now all Americans are being blamed for fuckface bush.

Could it be that the International Press is afraid to cover this story because of threats by the bush crime family -- threats of slander suits? There has to be some reason why very few people I've talked to knows about the Election fraud. With the exception of people down here who have family members who are US citizens -- then these Carib residents are aware -- and they know about election fraud and that many of us who did NOT vote for bush are really angry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:06 PM
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14. That's where CNN comes in. They drive international perception, too.
Ted Turner must be furious. He started CNN so the TRUTH could be heard by all nations.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:24 PM
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20. Cable TV or Satellite TV is available throughout the Carib region
and you are correct -- CNN is not doing their job of real reporting.

However the BBC is also the most watched station for news -- and the BBC hasn't covered the election fraud.

The BBC's failure to go after this news story like a dog with a bone makes me think that perhaps they have been threatened in some way.

There has to be a reason why journalists for the most part are avoiding this story -- US Election fraud should be a massively huge story -- world wide.

As my Guyanaian friends say -- if their country had held such corrupt elections -- the US would have declared the elections a fraud -- but the US elections (in 2000) were worst than any tin-pot dictator's election.

What is amazing to me is that most people know more about American elections & politics than most Americans do. There is a lot of political reporting -- just not the key story of ELECTION FRAUD.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:38 PM
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12. How we think
Most people in my region are just anti Americans. They just cant understand how Americans can support the ideas that Bush represent.
CNN play a big role in this. CNN is look at as the mouth piece of the Americans people.

The fact is that Bush is still the President. The fact is also that since 911 USA has lost its role as a World Leader and is on the path to a regime that is being isolated by the rest of the world.

It is truly amazing how much Bush has achieve within 4 years. Both in foreign relations and local economy success. What else can he improve in this 4 years new mandate that he has we can only watch and be amaze.

I can only associate Bush with the famous Roman Emperor Nero the Chimp. Sad, that he can have such a free hand to destroy all the hard work put in by Americans to build up the greatest Nation in the world.

It is a long hard road for US to gain back its pass glory. Hopefully he embark on this road to recovery in this 4 years. Sadly it looks like he not going to.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:04 PM
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13. I think that's one of the motivations behind Kerry's trip.
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ArcRabbit Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:10 PM
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15. Al-Jazeera Report "America Divided"
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 10:11 PM by ArcRabbit
This report on aljazeera is slightly interesting. Although It's written by someone living in california. (Why not in the middle east?) Anyway, this is the english version.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7244BE87-7110-4FCE-9F3F-5F785BB1CFB1.htm
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:13 PM
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16. We voted. That proves it.
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 10:14 PM by Jackie97
The world saw the almost 50/50 divide.

Many on the web also saw www.sorryeverybody.com, which was followed by www.apologiesaccepted.com.

Yeah, I would say keep up communication on the web, keep up protests, and speak out whenever you can.

Most of all, VOTE.

The world might hate the Bush supporters and so forth, but now they finally know. They finally know that we're not all willing to vote for a madman who wants war on the world.
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Calvinist Basset Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:33 PM
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17. For those of us who travel internationally or have foreign friends/family:
Tell everyone you can that you oppose Bush and his disastrous policies. Spread the message.

I was in Brazil for two weeks, and I told everyone I could. Sometimes, I had opportunities to interject my comments when others brought up related topics. At other moments, I just started the conversation without any provocation. In fact, my dislike of the Bush administration was an illustration within a sermon I delivered to a congregation in Fortaleza, Ceara (Brazil).
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:37 PM
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18. How can we get more Europeans, Canadians, Asians, etc. on
this Board?
Any thoughts?
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:40 PM
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19. I would hope.......
....that they are not as ignorant as many folks are about them over here that everyone thinks the same way.

In other words, don't worry about it.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:33 PM
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21. My father-in-law spends about 1/2 the year in France
and traveling around Europe and I've talked with him quite a bit over the past 4 years about the perceptions he's encountered over there. He says that virtually everyone he's met there finds Bush to be a fool and dangerous, and he's a running joke throughout the region. But he said that the people definitely separate Americans from the administration. He's heading back over there next month for the first time since the election, so I'll be interested in hearing what they think now.

And, BTW, these are just regular folks. My father-in-law is retired and widowed and he just loves Europe. He goes over and lives in the small towns and does volunteer work at local galleries, etc. So he's pretty much checking the pulse of the average European.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:47 PM
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22. Our media has a moral and ethical responsibility to report
the news in its entirety. They have failed us miserably as a nation. Lately, I have noticed them taking small steps to rectify their troubling behavior. Why? I think it is because we, as a people,stood up and said "Enough"! The members of our current govt. need to find their moral compass and start modeling behavior that embraces honor, integrity and courage! It would behoove the media to do the same. Our voices will never be heard if we allow them to silence us with exaggeration and lies.
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