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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:57 AM
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Republicans letting POLYGAMY spread to 30 states! Child abuse, sex slaves

JOSEPH SMITH AND HIS MANY WIVES AND CHILDREN

NOTE: the point of this thread is not whether or not people should be allowed to live with and love whoever they choose. The point is that the Republicans are letting illegal polygamist sects thrive and are even subsidizing them through illegal welfare payments. Besides the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS), the regular LDS Church is secretly about 3% polygamous. Evangelicals and other Christians across the country have little idea that in the last few years and especially in 2004, Mormon polygamy has exploded and has now spread to 30 states, bringing with it child abuse, and what amounts to sex slavery across international birders. The Republicans are betraying their Evangelical voters--and the law--by letting this all happen. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THIS THREAD.

Polygamy is suddenly thriving again in the United States--thanks to the Republicans.  Hundreds of thousands of fundamentalist Mormons and regular Mormons are back to practicing polygamy, with a wink and a nod from conservative GOP Governors and state legislatures.  In reality, the husband can choose a new wife whenever he pleases without any discussion with his current wives, and second wives are typically teen-age girls for the partriarch of the family.  Of course, he can have sex with as many as he likes each night!

Republican AG ot Utah Mark Shurtleff says he will only prosecute crime reported from polygamist communities, not polygamy itself. Web sites and booklets tell how convenient it is to circumvent the polygamy laws. 

33% of people in the article below from FLDS congregations are even on welfare! The GOP is actually funding this threat to marriage in America by turning the other way. In FLDS polygamy:

  • women are seen as breeding machines, averaging 10 children per woman

  • marriages are arranged very early for young girls and shipped between states and Canada in what amounts to sex slavery

  • young men will periodically have their wives and children taken away by the older men and be expelled for minor infractions

  • girls younger than 14 or 16 have been "raped" before the legal age of marriage, incest is often reported

  • serial husbands are now increasingly common among FLDS members and regular Mormon LDS members.

  • When the young girls and women try to escape, they are returned by local Republican sheriffs.


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"On January 10, 2004, the church suffered major upheaval when Dan Barlow, the mayor of Colorado City, and about 20 men were excommunicated from the church and stripped of their wives and children (who would be reassigned to other men), and the right to live in the town. As a result, a few teenage women reportedly fled the towns with the aid of anti-polygamy advocates. Two of the young women, Fawn Broadbent and Fawn Holm, soon found themselves in a broadly publicized dispute over their freedom and custody. They fled state custody together on February 15, and have been on the run in multiple states since.

Allegations of welfare fraud, tax fraud, incest, statutory rape, physical, emotional and psychological abuse--hidden by a veil of secrecy, isolation, and deprivation--in the FLDS dominated communities have been widely reported in 2004 throughout United States media. It has been estimated that 33% of the men, women and children in the group are receiving state and federal aid, though 0% unemployment was reported in the 2000 census.

Allegations also have been made that in the four and a half years ending in 2004, the FLDS has excommunicated over 400 teenaged boys, some as young as 13, for seemingly trivial offenses. Former members claim that the purpose of these excommunciations is that in a polygamous society these young men present competition to the older men for multiple wives, and that the boys must go. Six such teenaged boys have filed a conspiracy lawsuit against Jeffs and Sam Barlow, a former Mohave County deputy sheriff and close associate of Jeffs, for a "systematic excommuncation" of young men to reduce competition for wives."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter_Day_Saints

Polygamy is a true threat to Evangelical Christianity, as the lure of having many wives is tempting to many conservative men in rural areas. This was always the greatest fear about polygamy and why the Mormons were driven out of all the states and forced to settle in Utah. There are now Web sites that will hook you up with multiple FLDS wives, and the Republicans look the other way.

FLDS Polygamists talk of Matthew and other parts of the Bible that mention polygamy without any stigma attached as justification for their way of life. Jesus himself never spoke out against polygamy, they point out (it was common practice since Abraham of course).

That's why Evangelicals feel so threatened by Mormon polygamists

We Democrats do not support the Republican Polygamy Agenda!  

Picture of modern Polygamist Family:

It is time for the Democrats to tell the truth on this issue and accuse the Republicans of openly supporting and even FINANCING through welfare the SPREAD of Polygamy, a real threat to marriage as a concept of one man and one woman. While they rail about the Democrat-supported "Gay Agenda", in reality they are quietly hiding massive subsidies of the "Polygamy Agenda". This is true hypocrisy.

The Republicans say they are against polygamy and put on a few show trials but in fact they have let it grow after it was down to around a thousand in the 1950s!  Let the truth be known that in recent years, the GOP has let the polygamists thrive and grow at a fantastic rate, leaving them mostly alone in return for their solid Republican vote!

This is what the Republicans mean by "family values".  And polygamy has already spread beyond the West and come to rural and Evangelical areas across 30 states--to try and convert the young.

Stop the Republican-supported Polygamy Agenda from subverting the youth in your town!

Here is an article from today, proving my point about the REPUBLICANS.  Open, public support for POLYGAMY AS BEING A NATURAL THING!

State senator passes out pro-polygamy material

SALT LAKE CITY 01/23/2005 (AP) -- A Republican state lawmaker countered a Senate colleague's dispersal of an anti-polygamy book by passing out folders defending the practice as natural and not necessarily harmful.

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"Polygamy is a frequent, and arguably, from a historical perspective, a most normal, human sexual relationship throughout most of human history in a majority of societies around the world," reads one of the passages in the folder.

It came from the Centennial Park Action Committee, a group of women near the Utah-Arizona state line who say it's unfair to characterize polygamists as "oppressed," "abused" or "brainwashed." Walker said she has known polygamists who are "fine, honest, educated, wonderful people."

"To characterize the whole polygamy community as abusive to children and the welfare system is inaccurate," Walker said.


http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?storyID=102198

Republican hidden support of Mormon polygamy--it used to be quiet but is now becoming more open. It's all very real. Look in your phone book and see if there is an FLDS church in your area.

Nother scary article:

Rift in FLDS Church raises local fears
By Mike Weland
Kootenai Valley Press
Originally published November 24, 2004


With the grim specter of the Aryan Nations so recently erased from North Idaho, there is new fear of an equally rabid "religion" gaining a foothold in Boundary County following a rift in the leadership of the Fundamental Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, which is reportedly bringing massive instability to a sect that has remained secretively in the background for decades. The FLDS has existed in a small, closed enclave called Bountiful near Creston since the 1940s, when four families moved there from Alberta. Since then, the local group has grown to over 1,000 people, formerly led by "Bishop" Winston Blackmore, who openly espouses the practice of polygamy as the path to Heaven and who led the only openly polygamous community in the U.S. or Canada. But the main body of the FLDS Church was located in the arid south, where an estimated 10,000 adherents now dwell in several communities. In 1998, former "prophet" Rulon Jeffs died, and his son, Warren Jeffs, became the group’s spiritual leader, and those who’ve studied the group say his actions since are truly frightening. "Warren Jeffs is a tyrant and a coward," said Sam Brower, an investigator who has been working to crack through the wall of secrecy surrounding the FLDS.
http://childbrides.org/canada_KVP_rift_raises_local_fears.html

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Some sites to show your friends and family about this:

http://www.polygamy.com

http://www.polygamy.org/

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/polygamy.html

http://www.lds-mormon.com/mormon_polygamy.shtml

http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/polygamy.html

http://www.christianpolygamy.com/

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm

http://www.press.uillinois.edu/epub/books/nichols/ch3.html

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f05.html

http://www.polygamyinfo.com/plygmedia%2004%20164vsun.htm

http://childbrides.org/canada.html

Have any more links or personal stories on how Republicans are letting the FLDS polygamists slide??
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:05 PM
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1. repugs see all this as the 'pursuit of happiness', but heaven forbid
you spark up a doobie. :eyes:

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 03:40 PM
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18. GOP Lawmaker wants to decriminalize POLYGAMY
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:06 PM
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2. Tragic for the kids involved. Kick!
:(
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:07 PM
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3. In keeping with the point of your thread I think the "issue" of
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 12:08 PM by fob
"Republican Polygamy Agenda" needs a different name. For it is NOT the polygamy, as you state, what the hell do I care if someone wants to have multiple spouses as long as the arrangement is without coercion, it is however, the social/moral/legal issues that are being allowed to fester through this arrangement that is the problem.

So I denounce the

1. republican wife/slave agenda

2. republican child abuse agenda

3. republican lawlessness agenda (aka Laws are for Others Initiative)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:25 PM
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6. The Republican Child Enslavement Agenda
Fundies believe women and children are MEANT to be abused by their husbands in the first place.

And simply saying "child abuse agenda" doesn't convey an agenda IN FAVOR OF child abuse anyway.

But our targeted publics are in the moderate-conservative range who would be against abuse and polygamy but against things like equality and tolerance.

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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:42 PM
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9. You are correct, I didn't mean for my suggestions to be the answer
just throwing them out there.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:46 PM
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11. Oh, I know. I was just riffing off your themes
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:22 PM
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4. Gay marriage is good, Polygamy is bad
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 12:27 PM by IanDB1
I know that there are people who will disagree with me on this, but here is my opinion, for what it is worth.

Take a look at that picture of the polygamist family in the original post.

See that ugly guy with the beard? It looks like he's got four or five wives.
(On edit: one of them even looks normal).

How many wives do you think Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt would be able to have if they wanted to?

Now, imagine how many wives everyone more attractive than you, but less attractive than Tom Cruise could get.

Heck, even Steven Tyler and Mick Jagger could probably get a dozen or so each.

How long would it be until there aren't enough wives around for every man to have the option of raising a family?

Regardless of how you feel about more responsible forms of polygamy that preserve the rights of women and protect minors, the way I see it is that when people are deprived of the opportunity to raise a family, it is THEN that a society de-stabilizes.

But to be honest, if given the chance, I wouldn't mind a second wife, but I would be murdered in my sleep just for suggesting it.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:27 PM
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7. THAT'S WHY THE YOUNG MEN ARE REGULARLY EXPELLED
Not enough women to go around...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:46 PM
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10. Of course, there are always "group marriages"
I'm not sure precisely how those work, but it doesn't sound like something that would be everyone's cup of tea.

I think a group marriage is king of like what Dr. Phlox and The Denobulan on Star Trek Enterprise have.

---
DOCTOR PHLOX Easily the best character on the show, Phlox is genial, open and outright thrilled at every new discovery- even the everyday discoveries he makes living with a human crew. Phlox embodies the sense of wonder and excitement at boldly going where no one has gone before that was supposed to be the hallmark for this series, and John Billingsley is to be commended for making Phlox so believable and enjoyable to watch, even when the Doctor is just a peripheral character in the story.

Phlox is a Denobulan; he sleeps very little except during an annual week-long hibernation. He is part of a group marriage, but a human doctor once remarked on the extreme complexities involved in Denobulan breeding; it's possible that Denobulan biology requires more than just two to make a baby. Phlox is comfortable in the Earth-normal environment aboard, and is enchanted with the opportunity to try the various Earth foods available. He simply enjoys *anything* new and different.


http://www.mailarchive.ca/lists/rec.arts.startrek.current/2002-06/0157.html

Also:
http://64.33.77.146/discus/messages/16070/20777.html?1057868412

And in the books of Robert A. Heinlein:

Robert A. Heinlein -The Novels-
ROBERT A. HEINLEIN: THE NOVELS. ... following the removal of Lazarus and a coterie of
his admiring descendents to a comfortable group marriage on another planet ...
www.severing.nu/novel.htm

Polyamory Books -- Poly in Fiction
... Friday. Robert A. Heinlein. Del Ray. ... The primary poly content is her involvement
in a group marriage during part of the book, a situation which ends quite badly. ...
www.polychromatic.com/fiction.html

Midwest CAW: Glossary of Relationship Terminology
... LINE MARRIAGE: An inclusive group marriage designed to continue in perpetuity, as
new members may be added by mutual consent of the ... (Robert A. Heinlein). ...
www.paganpaths.org/midwestcaw/glossaryrelation.html

More:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22Robert+A.+Heinlein%22+and+%22group+marriage%22
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:15 PM
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15. Not talking about polyamory
This is Mormon FLDS and regular Mormon hidden polygamy.

From under 1,000 in the Fifties to hundreds of thousands today in 30 states, threatening Evangelism and one man-one woman marriage.

Evangelicals and ex-Mormons must vote Democrat for the Republicans will never stop the polygamists.

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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:50 PM
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13. Must be frustrating.
Think they vote Democratic?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:29 PM
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8. It looks like 6 wives, some of those girls he has sex with
20 kids and 1 in the oven.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:24 PM
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5. Google "dominionism" if you want to see more information about
how they want to treat women.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:56 PM
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14. Polygamy is really hard on the kids and women involved.
You could argue the women are adults and this is their choice, but some of them enter into marriage and motherhood at age 13 or younger. Go check out http://www.exmormon.org for lots of first-hand stories from people who grew up in polygamy. It's a real mess. There are also lots of genetic problems from inbreeding, deformed kids who they keep at home and don't let the world see.

They are a powerful political force in Utah, that's why polygamy is a political hot-potato that will never be dealt with in the open.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:48 PM
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22. Well, THIS makes me feel better about it....
...from one of the websites named above:

"Having the possibility that a husband can remarry without divorce extends practical security to a woman. She needn't worry about losing her husband and income as she loses her looks, because if her husband is attracted by a younger woman, he doesn't even have to think about leaving his wife."

So, when I get older, I get to keep the husband, and he gets to "do" younger women.

Wow, what a great benefit!

:crazy:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:56 PM
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23. Hmmm - as an "older" woman, I have to comment.
The young girls the husband is "doing" - do they cook, clean, do laundry, grocery shop, tend the garden, schlep the kids and all the rest? Maybe they're onto something.:think: (Of course, I'm kidding. I like to garden.)
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:01 PM
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24. I'm an "older" woman myself...maybe
it's worth a second thought ;)
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:48 PM
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12. Looks like a scene out of Monty Python "The Meaning of Life".
sarcasm off
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:46 PM
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16. kick
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:28 AM
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17. kick
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 04:20 PM
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19. polygamy.org is Tapestry Against Polygamy
TAP is a group founded by women who escaped polygamy. Read what they have to say before thinking polygamy is harmless. It isn't.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 04:32 PM
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20. And it's coming to your town, for your children!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:20 PM
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21. kick
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Randers Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:11 PM
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25. The Strict Father Model
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 06:12 PM by Randers
Lakoff.

Polygamy fits the model where you have a the Strict Father as the model (that the Republicans like). Unlike a Gay marriage - where you don't. So even though it doesn't seem traditional - it sort of is. It's not like the Husband/Wives are trying to be equal or anything.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 06:23 PM
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26. Thanks DWW for the post and links
I recommend to all John Dougherty's articles on the FLDS at the Phoenix New Times. He has done some excellent reporting over the last several years. I posted an article some time ago about a protest on the steps of the Utah capital by young male victims of the FLDS. Oddly enough I was attacked by a member of this board who is still here. He told me to leave those nice people alone among other things. Go figure!

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2004-11-25/news/dougherty.html
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