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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 05:43 PM
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The pathos of politics and the art of self-delusion
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 05:48 PM by Carl Brennan
Sometimes when I discuss politics I feel like a doctor stuck with the job of telling a terminally ill patient the bad news. What do you do? Well, you don't want to frighten or dishearten them I guess, but you also don't want to lie. But then, like me, you look at how people don't mind being lied to in America and you think, shiiiit, why not one more lie. What good does the truth do if it makes people feel bad? Then you have to consider the mental and physical state of the patient to handle the bad news. Needless to say being a bringer of bad news is not fun.





I guess there comes a time when a person has to simply admit that all of the shit done to date has been a complete waste of time. The next thing to do is to stop doing it. That is my final analysis of the past few years of my activities in regards to politics. This specie is just to fucking bent on doing the wrong thing at the wrong time for the wrong reasons and doing it with a vigor that cannot be impeded much less abated. That is what is happening at DU and to the Democratic party IMHO. DU looks like it is going to try to take a more "moderate tone" with the Democratic Party leading off. 9/11 is no longer a "relevant" topic according to heretofore esteemed cop on the beat Mike Ruppert. The Democratic party's only hope, though a forlorn one at best, was to move more to the left. It has become an inane body of jabbering idiots and the gutless asshole John Kerry swindled his backers out of 52 million bucks.



For instance: What does it mean to be a "liberal" is the big question of late. Taking the bait the non-fascists go "Wow!, lets talk about it, then they all sit around and show how fractious they are even when it comes to their own "identity".
Message to the public: "How could people who don't even know who or what they are run the country?"

Not one democrat I saw considered the political implications of answering the question. With fascists you do not engage in political discussion, you either find a way of turning their asinine questions around on them and put them in the hotseat and show the world how shit-for-brains stupid they are or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Any suggestions on how to do that with this question about what it means to be a liberal?
Hint: look in the second sentence.

How about: "Wow!neato question. Let me see. I think that being a liberal is, at least, to be a non-fascist".
Then you say: "OK, I went first, now I want you to answer a question."
"What does it mean to be a fascist Republican? "

Then you yank out the 14 characteristics of fascism and begin a discussion and get them to prove they are not fascists.

YOU ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS PUT THE BALL BACK IN THEIR COURT, frame the argument, OR shut the fuck up!!!!

This simple lesson has been drilled here at DU and elsewhere for as many years as I can count and not one person has learned a thing from it, including the Democratic leadership. Carville, the head honcho for Clinton's campaign, wrote a book: "Buck up, suck up or fuck up" about framing the arguement and the democrats just never fucking get it. That, IMHO, is because they do not understand how the Repukes operate and what they are.

And PLEEEEEEZE do not call these democrats "liberals". The Clintons, Kerry, Dean and the rest are all moderate to conservative democrats covering their own asses and just cruising along playing the game. What has happened over the past few decades is that the society depicted in the corporate controlled press has, purportedly, become more conservative/non-thinking so that what was once a moderate becomes a liberal and what was once a liberal becomes a lunatic fringe, and what was lunatic fringe becomes a traitor, terrorist or some other El Draque. Princess Laya in Star Wars seemed to think that the tighter the Empire made its grip the more people would slip through its fingers, if only that were true.


The US is headed for huge and unheard of disasters IMO. Big problems will occur when we go bankrupt from fighting wars and the public is forced to pay up. The defeat in Iraq will not be a learning phase as it was in Vietnam; it will be a time when the inertia of fear sets in and anyone questioning the Fuerher will be labeled a traitor. Much like what happened to Germany's economy after WWI and II will happen in the US. The Fuerher in the present case will stay in power because the utterly gutless Democratic Party does not care and probably couldn't do anything now if they did they are to busy sniffing the political wind to gauge how conservative they need to be to keep in a majority. All they care about is the same things the Repukes care about: their own fat asses. The Repukes have a total lock on the voting system no matter how people vote, so that ends any possibility of change from that aspect, even if the political will was there. I cannot beleive I see people on this message board jabbering about "elections" in 2006 or 2008. Maybe they are just Psy-ops types trying to confuse the issue, or dems simply to stupid to realize that there are no elections anymore: IT IS OVER!!!THE FUCKING GAME IS RIGGED!! THE GAME IS RIGGED AT EVERY LEVEL !! Democracy is dead!! There is no legitimacy whatsoever in this fascist dictatorship, there is no competing with them fairly, fairmindedness = foolishness when you play with Repukes.

The Democratic Party is a pathetic joke. I will NEVER again discuss another political point with anyone on or about the Democratic Party as a vehicle for meaningful change. It is, essentially, no different than the Repukes. The more I read history the more I'm convinced of this. When your town has its drinking water contaminated, or river polluted and you cannot even file a lawsuit because it violates some code of capitalism and the fascists say: "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DRINK"! then it is your fault! Throughout US history the Democratic Party has been a tool of industry: bought off at nearly every turn, with a few exceptions like FDR and the brief interlude of JFK. Just look at the Harriman's and Bush's cozy relationship for profit from "speculative swindles" and financing Nazi's in the pre-WWII period. Averell Harriman was a fakin' "moderate"??????? The bankers own the whole system people lock, stock and barrel.

They own the Media as well and have controlled it since the Spanish American War or before. One need only compare the MSM coverage of the governor's race in Washington State to the non-coverage of the Presidential election fraud in Ohio and elsewhere to see who controls the Media. The MSM even engaged in a little pre-emptive war against the non-MSM by labeling the people who voiced concerns about the shit going on in Ohio "conspiracy theorists". The Pentagon sits in the CNN newsroom. The CIA control of the media is most vividly illustrated with this quote from ex-CIA director William Colby:

"There are no major news media in the US that are not controlled by the CIA.

Colby died in a mysterious boating accident. His body was found without a life jacket and those who boated with him said he was religious about wearing it. Conclusion: Colby was murdered for breaking the faith with the Christians in Action (CIA). That is what happened. Now if I use the same "rules of evidence" for pinning this on the CIA fascists as the Bush admin used for attacking Iraq.......


The Democrat's are in a race to the moral bottom that the Repukes have a huge headstart in both in mindset and money.

The whole system is a farce set up by bankers to make one of the most incredibly dense specimens of humanity-- "Homo Bureaucratis Americanus"-- think that we have a diverse political environment in the US based on fair play. It is all an illusion meant to pacify, akin to religion or voodoo. That pacification process gets easier and easier the less informed people are. In it's present form the US Empire had its beginnings in the Spanish American War a war staged by the Rupert Murdoch of his day William Randolph Hearst. In his lust to beat Joseph Pulitzer's newspaper sales in New York and add to his already considerable success as a media mogul Hearst innundated America with war propoganda and a total disregard for the facts. Hmmmmmm......sound familiar? Hearst told his photo journalist in Cuba--a guy named Frederic REMINGTON--: "Give me the pictures and I will give you a war". Years later US Navy Admiral Rickover did an investigation of the USS Maine explosion, the incident that started the war, and concluded that it probably was caused by an internal explosion, not, as was heralded in the Hearst press from an attack on the ship from outside. Hearst wrote an editorial piece promoting political assasination .....then President McKinley, "the last intellectual president", started to investigate the Maine explosion and poof......he was killed by a "lone nut". Teddy Roosevelt rose to fame on the "splendid little war". Thirty years later the nasty old fart Hearst was game for one last hoorah and hired Italian fascist dictator Mussolini's whore Margarita Sarfatti to write for his newspapers and radio shows. He also consulted with Hitler's press agents to see if the Fuerher was game for being a contributing columnist, but the deal fell through for some reason. The issue certainly wasn't because Hearst thought Hitler too extreme. Hitler probably just didnt' like being toyed with. After meeting Hitler Hearst issued orders to his very large news network to not say anything untoward about fascism and continued to promote fascism up until the eve of WWII. A supporter of these operations was the National Association of Manufactures (NAM) whose first president was...............Samuel Bush.....great-grandpoppy of our sitting fascist dictator. That is how empires work, that is how they have always worked.

.....NAM along with the National Industrial Information Committee picked up the banner of du Pont's free enterprise dogma. It was Fulton Lewis Jr. a former employee of NAM, who became the mouthpiece for NAM. Using his radio program on the Mutual Network, Lewis spread the NAM propaganda to roughly three million people daily. Lewis denied the truth put forth by the La Follette and the Truman committees and instead aired NAM's propaganda under the guise of "Your Defense Reporter."21 At their 1942 convention, NAM went on record of supporting du Pont's Free Enterprise fully. The convention adopted a plank of full support for free enterprise, even if it hindered the war effort. In contrast, the 1942 CIO convention went on record for winning the war first, ahead of any union issues. 24 In other words labor was willing to make the sacrifices needed to win the war, while big business wasn't, and put profits ahead of the war effort. ........

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1930sp4.html

Note: Mutual Network was owned by Hearst:




But even if you do manage to become informed what are you going to do about it working within the system?


You can't do anything about it within the system. All you can do is leave the system and set up your own community, alternative Press, etc., but even then you, inevitably, have to deal with the effects of the larger system which is destroying the planet at a helluva rate. The Caspian Sea will become an environmental dead zone: a stinking cesspool of toxic shit and the world will simply nod its immensely dense fuckhead and continue business as usual and have an inaugural ball for the most vile idiot of their lot. Shit maybe they'll fire the environmentalists for not doing there job, or put them in jail for dereliction of duty.


When the dead zones in the oceans start showing up that will be the signal for the end of days, the Texassification of the world will have begun. But it appears that is what most people want, they really don't care and that is their right. If you listen to them they talk about the same old stupid superficial shit they always have. It will be interesting to see how the fascists handle these kinds of crisises. Probably like they did the tsunami: run around and talk shit, then wait a week or two until something on Seinfeld distracts the amoebabrains. One thing the fascists know how to do and that is destroy or despoil the environment and get away with it. Just look at Texass, the worst cesspool in the country, homestate of our fascist dictator. This world will turn into an environmental shithole and the vast majority of the people will never have a clue about its causes.

How about another political party? That kind of gets back to my first sentence. It is worthless. This specie simply does not have what it takes to get past its own desire for suicide. First and foremost of its problems is how easily it is corrupted once $ signs appear. Just look at Black Box voting. Or look at Kerry's "marrying into money" and being coy about it. What is the message? The message is: SELLING OUT IS COOL. Like "Greed is good".

The Green Party is probably little more than an organ of the Repuke Party meant to divide the Left.

One thing that needs to be done is to shut down, in one way or another, key industries: CIA, Yale (Skull and Bones) , Diebold, Fox News......blah, blah, blah, but you can't do that because the all seeing eye would not let that happen. They simply sow confusion to their addlebrained enemy. Then the chaos capitalists will put their money in prison stocks and watch the demand for that industry skyrocket. There will be no mass movement that will cause structural change; it will only be transient political change that is possible.


Another possible thing is for Blue States to secede from the Union, but that requires an enormous political effort that would be wrought with problems. The Left is just to fractious to mount such a campaign and there are no prominent political leaders who have voiced an interest and none can be expected to because they don't care about doing anything for the betterment of the people, they just want to appear as if they are and get paid for it. If it were tried though it would be hard for the US Government in its current state to stop it and the Right would probably like to see it happen so they can have Jesusland all to themselves. Maybe we could have a "political prisoner exchange" where Democrats in the Red States are exchanged with REpukes from the Blue States. There are a few Repuke fascists in Washington I'd like to "deport" with the toe of my boot.



CB

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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 05:54 PM
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1. I guess the only answer is a self-inflicted fatal wound.
EOM
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:35 PM
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3. Be my guest.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:44 PM
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2. One must perceive and understand reality to survive.
"Honesty is the recognition of the fact that the unreal is unreal and can have no value, that neither love nor fame nor cash is a value if obtained by fraud — that an attempt to gain a value by deceiving the mind of others is an act of raising your victims to a position higher than reality, where you become a pawn of their blindness, a slave of their non-thinking and their evasions, while their intelligence, their rationality, their perceptiveness become the enemies you have to dread and flee — that you do not care to live as a dependent, least of all a dependent on the stupidity of others, or as a fool whose source of values is the fools he succeeds in fooling — that honesty is not a social duty, not a sacrifice for the sake of others, but the most profoundly selfish virtue man can practice: his refusal to sacrifice the reality of his own existence to the deluded consciousness of others."
~ Ayn Rand


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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:13 PM
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4. KICK!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 04:57 PM
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5. Don't worry about the pipsqueaks, Carlos.
There will always be morons, from the people who counseled Kerry to be some kind of mainstream moron to those who counseled Pruneface to go ahead and launch the Shuttle even though it was below freezing outside.

There will always be naysayers, mainly those who think since they can't do something, nobody else can do it, either. Unfortunately, many of these work as educators and in government, these should be held in especially low regard.

Then there are those who pretend to be on your side but stand ready to push you over the rail. These, too, are always with us. However, worry about them the least. You are more powerful than they can even dream.

"Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." -- Percy Bysshe Shelley, A Defense of Poetry.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:44 PM
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6. Howzabout we keep the news the NYT won't print upfront online?
Cogent efforts to propel evolution past the obstructors can work.

We have the irrepresibility of human yearning to grow in freedom going for us. The lid of fascism can only hold for so long before the pot boils over.

Let's keep the heat on with info and links that blow people's minds and keeps the outrage roiling.

>end of campaign speech<

The guerrillas of the info-wars can do amazing work.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:35 AM
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7. 40 soldiers dead this morning, good morning Iraq
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 09:32 AM by seemslikeadream
EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES
MORE TERRORISTS
MORE DANGER
MORE DEATH
AND REMEMBER...

HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE
IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html Watch this video only 3 minutes



Wumpscut - Totmacher

sie ahnten nichts von mir
von meiner wilden gier
doch als du kamst zu mir
da wurde ich ein tier
kein gedanke an danach
als ich dir die knochen brach

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

tot

fuer mein naechstes leben
schoepfe ich neue kraft
ich bin dem toeten ergeben
in der einzelhaft

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot
tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ein dahinsichen
von gottes hand
ich kann dich riechen
und das denken verschwand

tot tot tot tot tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot tot tot tot tot

ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot
ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot

sag mir was du willst
dass du meine sehnsucht stillst
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
von blut alles rot auf gottes altar

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot glaub mir es ist wahr
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot auf gottes altar



Wumpscut - Deadmaker

They didn't expect me
never expected my wild lust
I turned into an animal
No thought about afterwards
When I broke your bones

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Dead

For my next life (life after death in the religious sense)
I get the power I need
I’m a slave to the killing
In solitary confinement

("einzelhaft" (solitary confinment) has become part of the german vocabulary after the terrorist attacks of the Red Army Fraction during the 70's. It's used for people in prison, who are put into complete isolation not just from other people, but from all kinds of information. It's what might be known in the US as "sensual deprivation", a kind of torture-technique to destroy people's self.)

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Wasting away
By God’s hand
I can smell you
And my thought disappeared

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead, dead

I make you dead I make you dead
I make you dead I make you dead

Tell me what you want
That you fill my longing (that you satisfy my desire)
I make you dead for evermore
God’s altar stained from blood so red

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead believe me its true
I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead on God’s altar


edit: our children are dying faster than I can type
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