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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:34 PM
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Poll question: What part of the democratic agenda announced today is most important?
Senate democrats announced their agenda today. It includes the following 10 bills. Which do you think is most important?

Also, be sure to go here to join Citizen Co-sponsors for a Democratic Agenda, and tell Senate leaders what you think! http://democrats.senate.gov/cosponsor-form.html

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S.11: Standing With Our Troops. Democrats believe that putting America’s security first means standing up for our troops and their families.  Democrats will work to increase our military end strength by up to 40,000 by 2007.  We will create a Guard and Reserve Bill of Rights to protect and promote the interests of our dedicated citizen soldiers.  Democrats will also fight for the families of those who serve our country.  This includes providing income security and immediate access to affordable health care. 

S. 12: Targeting the Terrorists More Effectively.  Keeping America secure means stepping up the fight against the radical Islamic fundamentalism. Democrats will work to increase our Special Operations forces by 2,000 to attack the terrorists where they are and to protect our freedoms here at home.  We will further enhance our efforts against enemies by targeting the institutions that spawn new terrorists.  Democrats are also united to ensure that the world’s most dangerous weapons stay out of the hands of terrorists.  We will expand the pace and scope of programs to eliminate and safeguard nuclear materials, enhance efforts to keep these and other deadly materials out of the hands of terrorists, and assist state and local governments in equipping and training those responsible for dealing with the effects of terrorist attacks involving weapons of mass destruction.

S. 13: Fulfilling Our Duty to America’s Veterans.  A key component of keeping America secure is protecting the rights of our veterans. Since the time of Lincoln, Americans have made and kept a sacred commitment to those who served this nation in the defense of freedom.  As a new generation of veterans return from Iraq and Afghanistan, Democrats are united to fulfill that promise.  We will ensure that all veterans get the health care they deserve while also expanding the availability and accessibility of mental health care.  We will ensure that no veteran is forced to choose between a retirement and disability check.  We will also make the same commitment to the soldiers of today that was made to past veterans with a 21st Century GI Bill.

S. 14: Expanding Economic Opportunity.  Democrats understand that the most effective means of increasing opportunity for our families is a high quality, good paying job.  Democrats will fight to restore overtime protection to 6 million workers and increase the minimum wage for 7.4 million workers.  We must do more to create good jobs today and in the future and the Democratic bill does so by eliminating tax incentives for companies that take jobs overseas, creating new jobs through an expansion of infrastructure programs to repair America’s backbone, and encouratrongging innovation in the American economy.  We are also determined to pursue a trade policy that protects American workers and addresses our record trade deficit.  Democrats will work to strengthen enforcement of our trade agreements while assisting those workers who have been unduly burdened by unfair trading practices of other nations.

S. 15: Quality Education for All  Democrats are committed to providing a quality education to all Americans because we recognize that education has always been the cornerstone of equal opportunity.  Democrats will keep our promise to our children by increasing support for pre-school education, fully funding No Child Left Behind and improving its implementation.  We are committed to providing safe and reliable transportation for our rural school children and meeting the Federal commitment to children with disabilities.  Democrats will also address the shortfall of math, science and special education teachers by creating tuition incentives for college students to major in those fields.  We will help expand educational opportunities for college by providing relief from skyrocketing college tuition, increasing the size and access to Pell Grants and supporting proven programs that encourage more young people to attend and succeed in college.

S. 16: Making Health Care More Affordable.  Spiraling health care costs are putting the opportunity of America at risk, making it harder for families to buy health insurance and placing a difficult burden on small businesses and manufacturers.  Democrats will address these concerns by making prescription drugs more affordable through the legalization of prescription drug reimportation and more safe by ensuring drugs are monitored after they are approved for use.  Democrats will ensure that all children and pregnant women will have health care and protect Medicaid.  We will reduce the growing cost of health care to small businesses by offering tax credits while also modernizing health care to cut costs for patients and businesses.

S. 17: Democracy Begins at Home.  Equal opportunity in this country is based upon equal representation and fair voting.  Democrats are determined to reforming the voting system in this country to create Federal standards for our elections.  The bill adds verification, accountability and accuracy to the system.  It increases access to the polls with Election Day registration, shorter lines and early voting.  The bill also aims to modernize our election equipment and increase impartiality and provides the resources to our states to implement the bill.

S. 18: Meeting Our Responsibility to Medicare Beneficiaries.  Democrats will take the special interests out of the Medicare law by repealing the provision that prevents Medicare from negotiating better prices for seniors and eliminating the slush fund for HMOs. We will also improve the prescription drug benefit by phasing out the current doughnut hole where seniors pay a premium but get no benefit.  We will buy down the Part B premium so premium increases are not too steep.  We will address incentives that encourage employers to drop retiree benefits and we will ensure that no seniors are forced into HMOs while helping seniors in their transition to the new benefit.

S. 19: Fiscal Responsibility for a Sound Future.  Democrats know that fiscal mismanagement today only leads to greater problems for our children.  It is our responsibility to address the fiscal irresponsibility of the current Administration by imposing discipline today and Democrats are united to strengthen budgeting rules that require the government to live within its means. 

S. 20: Putting Prevention First.  Democrats are committed to reducing unintended pregnancies by increasing access to family planning services and improving contraceptive coverage.  We will increase funding for family planning and empower states to enable more women to take responsibility for their health.  We will also improve contraceptive coverage by assuring equity in prescription drug insurance.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:41 PM
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1. that's a good agenda
:thumbsup:

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:18 PM
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10. And a bit of Lakoffian language use too.
Not bad, Dems.

NGU.


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vademocrat Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:42 PM
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2. S17 - Without accountability in our election process,
everything else is irrelevant...
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:46 PM
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5. ditto!
a transparent election will ensure the survival of the other issues.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:56 PM
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14. Put the COUNT back into accountability. NO Black Box Voting. NONE.
Paper trails are NOT enough. They are like bandaids for a head wound.

They are only for recounts and that's like being mugged and calling for help on a number that is not in service, a false sense of security and the scam will continue with fewer people getting it.



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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:42 PM
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3. what I don't get about the prescription drug issue
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 09:43 PM by xray s
Why are we fighting to import drugs? Why not fight to make the drugs cheaper here in the first place?? If Canada can get its drug prices down, why can't we do it right here too?

I guess that is too obvious a solution.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:21 PM
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11. You ain't kidding.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 10:22 PM by El Supremo
(Notice that I don't say "ditto" like a ditto-head)

This prescription discount card has been the biggest bunch of political BS since I don't know when.

My mother who has only $841 worth of Social Security income a month does not qualify. I spent the whole year trying to see if she did.

I voted for the Medicare responsibility thing.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:00 AM
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30. It's an incredibly roundabout solution.
What makes it even worse is that many of the drugs are imported to Canada from the United States. So, they are shipped to Canada, the Canadian government imposes its price-cap, then they come back here. What a waste.

Are they trying to tell us the most powerful country on Earth can't control their own fucking prescription drug prices?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:44 PM
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4. Democracy, democracy, democracy....
Get rid of the election machines! Give me a godamn piece of paper and a doggone pencil....Dammit!
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:48 PM
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6. Siding with our troops?????
Increasing the military????
Increasing their benifits so we can attract more poor families????

How about not sending them into such a God-damn war in the first place?

I hope my crud at the bottom shows up.
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:02 PM
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15. This is a political document
I think it will be used to bludgeon the Republicans. Dems don't have the votes to get Medicaid and other social agenda items on their own -- they're making the Repubs choose between supporting them or not. If the Repubs don't, they'll face the wrath of voters back home. Including the military proposals in there is a tactical tool I think -- asking for funding for more troops proves the point that Bush mishandled Iraq (e.g., underestimating troop requirements). It also shows Dems care more about the GI's than the Repubs (I think there's lots of armor requests in there, if I'm not mistaken). Including veterans funding as one of the 10 issues was a brilliant masterstroke I think. It's a "moral issue" as well as one that will get us more veterans votes in '06 and '08. This is a crafty piece of work from what I've seen -- they even have a funding request in there for new school buses for rural areas. See??!! Dems care!! And maybe more rural voters will vote Dem next time!

Check out the actual bills if you have time -- they're a thing of beauty in my mind at least (I want to win in '06 and '08 and this will help immensely in my opinion.)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:48 PM
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7. Democracy
But its just a load of BS if people don't have an equal voice in selecting the candidates. We need public financing of political campaigns.
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:59 PM
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8. Whatever happened to "Ending the war on drugs"?
Is that too far to the left?
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:02 AM
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31. That makes far too much sense.
It would also engage too many non-voters. We certainly don't want to attract new demographics.
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:17 PM
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9. more mealy mouthed corporatist crap from the Democrats



>S.11: Standing With Our Troops.

Murdering more of them brownskinned people fer oil, ya mean!



>S. 12: Targeting the Terrorists More Effectively.

Keeping Americans a-skeered of them terraists so's we kin keep looting America with Bushco!

>S. 14: Expanding Economic Opportunity... so by eliminating tax >incentives for companies that take jobs overseas,

You mean fix the tax code CLinton built? How thoughtful of you!


>S. 15: Quality Education for All

How about tuition-free college? Oh, that's only for civilized countries? I see....


>S. 16: Making Health Care More Affordable.

How about universal healthcare like all the other western nations? too good for Americans? I thought so....

A load of mealy-mouthed politician's crap from the Democrats. No wonder half of America just tune out politicians' blather whenever the y hear it.....
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:26 PM
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13. Brother, or Sister you sure got that right!
Maybe it IS time for another political party.
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:24 PM
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12. I'm thrilled Reid and Democrats did this
It's a very politically savvy agenda -- it even has a proposal to fund school buses in rural areas! (I can't remember which item it appears in.) All ten proposals are described in great detail in the e-mail Reid sent out. GO DEMS!!!!
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:51 PM
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16. KICK - Hey, this is important everybody -- PLEASE SIGN
And read it, too -- link on bottom of petition describes DEMS NEW AGENDA...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:52 PM
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17. Empty and meaningless focus group sloganeering will get us nowhere!
Standing With Our Troops? How about bringing the troops home now and ending the war in Iraq?

Targeting the Terrorists More Effectively? How about impeaching the greatest terrorist on this planet, George W. Bush?

Fulfilling Our Duty to America’s Veterans? How about ending the back door draft that keeps Guardsmen and Reservists in permanent active duty?

Expanding Economic Opportunity? How about starting with the repeal of NAFTA and investing in re-industrializing America?

Democracy Begins at Home? Can't have democracy without freedom so for starters, how about repealing PATRIOT Act, instituting proportional representation and runoff voting, and expand the House?

Meeting Our Responsibility to Medicare Beneficiaries? Demagoguery Democratic style won't work, so how about free universal cradle-to-grave health care to all Americans? Getting rid of a couple of Navy carrier groups should take care of this most important human right.

Fiscal Responsibility for a Sound Future? How about stopping the bleeding first by stopping to waste money on an Imperial Military hell-bent on global hegemony?

Putting Prevention First? How about getting government out of the family planning business altogether? Reproductive rights are private rights, and reproductive decisions should be covered by the universal health care system that was discussed earlier on this thread.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:11 AM
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18. It's a superb DEMOCRATIC agenda
If you don't like it, it's probably because YOU'RE NOT A GODDAMNED DEMOCRAT!!!

Seriously, go join the Greens or Socialists already and do something positive for a change.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:19 AM
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19. It is a prowar agenda, for it endorses Bush's endless war in Iraq and...
It is a prowar agenda, for it endorses Bush's endless war in Iraq and elsewhere. If you support this war, enlist!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:43 AM
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20. No, it doesn't
First, if you bothered to click a link you'd see that alot of your gripes were addressed in the agenda anyway, the backdoor draft, etc.

Second, you'd see that it calls for a complete change in the way we're dealing with terrorism. A change that John Kerry consistently called for during the election but was drowned out by those saying he was going to stay the course just like Bush. That didn't come from Rove, now did it? But that is how people got the idea Kerry wouldn't be any different on Iraq than Bush is. Read the WHOLE agenda, it isn't what you pretend it is.

"Dry up the Breeding Grounds that Produce Terrorism. A long term complement to the offensive measures, S. 12 contains four key long-term initiatives that are designed to dry up the breeding grounds of terrorism. S. 12 authorizes additional funding for basic education programs to help nations provide a clear alternative to the madrassas that preach radical Islam; support to non-governmental organizations working to enhance democracy and development in the Muslim world; new public diplomacy programs to explain U.S. policies and counter anti-U.S. propaganda, and a long term strategy to deal with key states; including Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia."
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:50 AM
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22. "Dry up the Breeding Grounds that Produce Terrorism"? Israel's Occupation
Another morally blind document from our AIPAC loving Senators. The 800 pound gorilla in the room that they have been ignoring all along is Israel's Occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the Golan. If they really wanted to "dry up the Breeding Grounds that Produce Terrorism," instead of demagoguing the issue, they would be debating how much our country has been harmed by decades of knee-jerk support of Israel's policies toward the Palestinians.

Repackaging the same dog food will not change the product!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:55 AM
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24. Change the subject
Ignore what I posted and change the subject. Bush couldn't have done it better himself. Did you read the rest of the agenda to see if Israel was addressed? Or do you understand international relations are constitutionally under the direction of the President, primarily?
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:49 AM
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21. The Agenda
Well, I'm going to say that they are all equally important. And while we have to set priorities, I also believe that we are smart enough to do more than one thing at a time.

What I find interesting is that this seems to be the Democrat's version of the GOP's 1994 Contract With (make that ON!) America. I've always said that while the Contract w/ America was a flawed document from a policy perspective, and it was bad for America, strategically it was a brilliant move. Because it allowed the GOP to say to the American people "this is what we'll do if you give us back the Congress." It allowed them to get their message out at a time when they didn't have the Rose Garden as their back drop.

And in just about every email I've written to the DNC, I've told them they need an equivalent of the Contract With America, especially without the WH bully pulpit.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:52 AM
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23. And it was a focus group that produced the Contract with America
as apparently this latest regurgitation of the Contract appears to be.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 01:02 AM
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25. focus groups are not necessarily bad
talking to people about what they want is a good idea in Democracy.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 01:05 AM
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26. Focus groups are a poor substitute for core values
What are our core values? To hear one side say it, the only core value we have is to pander to the lowest common denominator of the voting public.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 01:12 AM
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27. ignoring the public
is a recipe for a permanent minority. The core values remain the same. Economic opportunity, better health care, real efforts at combating terrorism without giving up personal liberty.

Politics exists in the real world. NOt in some ivory tower.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 01:18 AM
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28. Demagoguery!
real efforts at combating terrorism without giving up personal liberty

Brought to you by the same assholes that voted for the PATRIOT Act!
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 01:19 AM
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29. whatever
I'm interested in winning elections. NOt whining about people not being perfect at some internet site.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:30 AM
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34. What I remember about the Contract With America
was it was mostly procedural crap. Stuff like line item veto and putting in term limits for committee chairmen. They got that stuff from focus groups?

I should google it and remind myself what was in it I guess.
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ermoore Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:15 AM
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32. Kicker
Kickety, kickety, koo . . .

Ok, really there was no need for this, but I wanted to test something when I posted.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:19 AM
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33. What a mild mannered agenda
I'm sure the Republicans are just quivering at the thought of Democrats enacting half their agenda.

Whatever happened to fighting the corporate behemoth that has its tentacles around every aspect of government and society?
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:24 AM
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35. Democratic Agenda
Didn't vote. At this stage it is purly political retoric. What will the specific legislation look like?
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