Where is the Bible Verse that Demands Democracy for the World?

[DistressedAmerican]

Am I the only one that doesn't remember where the Bible tells us that God prefers democracy as a human political system? Are there similar verses in the Koran that I am forgetting? Seems to me like if Democracy gets credited to a supernaturals then I'd give it to the Greek pantheon!

For folks that demand a strict interpretation of the constitution they sure do read a lot into other documents!

Brad

www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm

Don't Give Them A Moment's Rest in '05!

GOD THE ULTIMATE ABSENTEE VOTER!

[fryguy]

1. its in the "Book of Dubya" - - n/t

[JanMichael]

2. There are some passages that sound like

the writer is demanding socialism; the book of Amos (OT) is a pretty good place to start if you want to read one pissed off motherfucker-

Stephanie

[DistressedAmerican]

3. How 'bout those 3,000 verses about the poor?

[JanMichael]

5. Not all of the passages about the poor

are rants about public policy.

I thought that was specifically what you were referring to.

I am having personal problems with fundies right now; they are going to be a thorn in my behind for the next 40 years...and I am trying to learn how to deal with them.

Sounds like they are getting on your nerves too.

Stephanie

[DistressedAmerican]

9. That's putting it mildly! (n/t)

[JanMichael]

12. You have my sympathy....I honestly am beginning to think

that fundamentalism is a form of seriously arrested development for people who refuse to grow up, and constantly need a daddy figure in their lives.

I am in my 3rd year of religious studies at UNC and thought we would have shed the fundamentalists already...things that professors say tend to piss those fuckers off. But, no! One girl in my online class wrote that the Bible was edited by God Himself.

Freaking amazing.

Stephanie

[DistressedAmerican]

15. Grew up in Wheaton Ill. Home of the Billy Graham Center

Sat once in a philosophy class and had a girl argue that NOBODY didn't believe in God. She claimed I did and just wouldn't admit it. Class went right along with her. That is the same mindset that allows poeple think it is OK to use Christianity to impose our political ideals on a Muslim country. It won't work and it it not justifiable.

Religious fundamentalism is the worlds biggest problem at the moment. It it tearing the planet apart at the seams and Bush is right up there with Osama on this one.

As far as I am concerned people can believe what they freaking want. Just do not impose it on others. Certainly not at gunpoint. That won't go a long way toward winning "hearts and minds".

[bryant69]

4. I'm not sure about the logic of this

Do you think that Democracy is a good system of governance?

Bryant
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[Pegleg Thd]

6. As one who has studied

theology and religions for 50 years I can tell you that there is NOT ONE single verse or refernece in the Bible to promoting democracy.

[bryant69]

8. So?

Does that mean that you believe we should return to either theocracy or monoarchy?

At any rate the Bible was not written to answer political questions, was it? It was writtne to answer religious questions.

Bryant

[JanMichael]

10. Why should we return to either a theocracy or a monarchy?

What's wrong with a Democratic Socialist state?

[bryant69]

18. Well there's nothing in the bible about democratic socialism either

Except insofar is it applies to a community of believers which we don't have.

[DistressedAmerican]

19. It is not about what WE do.

We have a democracy that WE set up. It was not imposed on us from outside. As I recall intervention from outside was explicitly rejected.

If they want real freedom, how about we begin with a vote on what type of government THEY would like to set up? Then move on to who gets the jobs.

[DistressedAmerican]

13. I'm far from a religious scholar myself but,

I didn't remember running across any. Bush certainly hasn't offered any up. Thanks for confirming my suspicions more authoritatively!

[DistressedAmerican]

11. I think it is a fine system for those who choose it.

Forcing it down the throats of people who did not invite out help at the cost of tens or hundreds of thousands of lives is immoral! Using religion to justify these crimes is even more reprehensible.

When Bush stands up and says that freedom (defined by Bush as the right to vote) is a gift from God I wonder who's god. Being an atheist, I'm pretty sure MY God didn't ordain it.

[DrWeird]

20. The logic I have the problem with...

is the idea that you can force democracy by bombing the people.

[forgethell]

7. Well, I don't know about democracy ,

but how about this verse:


And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:32 ??

But I'm not sure I understand your point. Do you have something against democracy, or are you just opposed to Bush's methods of spreading it around the world?

[DistressedAmerican]

14. The later with a caveat

Self determination is just that SELF determination. It is not moral to kill to impose it on others through large scale bloodshed. "Thou shalt not kill" I think applies.

[forgethell]

23. A good point.

On the other hand, if there is no democracy, and you are not in charge, someone is using force to impose their views on you. And if there is democracy, and you are not part of the majority, they are using force to impose their views on you.

One way, or the other, if you are not in charge, somebody is imposing their views on you. It's a sad, sad world.

[killbotfactory]

16. It's right around the book of...

HERETIC! YOU SHALL DIE!

[DistressedAmerican]

17. My athiesm protects me from acts of God!

Touche!

I should get a copy of that one. Sounds action packed and juicy! That covers violence. How about sex?

[killbotfactory]

22. There's a lot of stuff about kingdoms and concubines...

Not so much about democracy. I'm sure it's in there somewhere, since so many christian right wingers are so convinced that the bible and God directly inspired the laws of this nation... right?

[hector459]

21. Great minds? I hadn't read your post but just posted something similar

in GD. I love your flare, though.

[DistressedAmerican]

24. I guess so...

Funny!

Here's the link for those following up on both discussions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3003736&mesg_id=3003736

[DistressedAmerican]

25. Lifted this from the similar thread from GD.

Thought this was pertinent to the discussion:



Democracy and God

GW Bush keeps saying the Freedom and Democracy is a gift from the Almighty. It is America's duty to spread Democracy.

"Freedom is not this country's gift to the world. Freedom is the Almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world. And, as the greatest power on the face of the earth, we have an obligation" to carry out the Lord's mission." GW Bush


'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.' GW Bush

*GW Bush made this god up because there is no such god in the bible. The one in the bible is a jealous, vengeful god that demands complete obedience and loyalty. This god does not grant freedom to human beings but demands servatude.The god in the bible is a war god and that part of god seems to suit GW Bush just fine.

" God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam < Hussein>, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

Empires Prefer a Baby and the Cross to the Adult Jesus
By Giles Fraser

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122604I.shtml