Official Thread #8 : Rice Confirmation Senate Debate

[proud patriot]

Thread #7 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1529094&mesg_id=1529094

[underpants]

1. What the hell is Warner still doing there? Happy hour just started!!!

:beer:

[thedailyshow]

2. is he a democrat or a republican?

[underpants]

26. Republican

moderate Republican and :scared: I vote for him :scared:

The Dems don't really run anyone against him and he has too much power for the state to turn it over to a freshman Senator.

[American Tragedy]

51. Moderate Republican? Are you kidding me?

On what issue is he moderate?

[rodeodance]

29. Warner is a Virginian Repuglican-Chair of Sen. armed services Comm.

[rqstnnlitnmnt]

3. unfortunately for those of us in VA

it's Warner or Allen....
yikes

[proud patriot]

5. I'm going to need it with all the bullshit lies coming out of pukes mouths

:grr:

[rodeodance]

6. We did NOT hear a yes or no from Dubin but it seems he was leaning

to say yes (just my gut reaaction). something fishy about him finishing as he did!!

[rodeodance]

10. was anyone listening to Dubin as he ended?

[Skidmore]

13. He asked that the balance of his statement be read into the record.

His time ran out.

[fooj]

18. Ya...I'm not sure what he'll do...so much for hot and bothered!

I can't see how he would vote yes after the things he said, though!

[Skidmore]

7. He reminds me of that Undertaker character in the

Phantasm movies. Never have been able to make it through one of those movies, or one of his speeches for that matter. Liz Taylor was a great actress,. How did she do that?

[flpoljunkie]

144. You mean Senator Foghorn Leghorn?

[feminazi]

4. oh god, warner.

the man always looks like he's dead to me. what did liz ever see in him?

[Skidmore]

9. Hahahaha! see my post above. Great minds and all that! nt

[feminazi]

15. i saw that!!!

really, he looks like a walking, talking corpse!

[realFedUp]

8. Durbin asks the $60 million question..."how does your nation treat women?"

and that is IT in a nutshell. The question
and answer to everything that goes on in
this world.

Thanks Senator Durbin...I had no idea you
were so astute.

[shadowknows69]

11. I still don't know if he was for or against n/t

[realFedUp]

14. I believe after all that, he's against her nomination

but don't quote me.

[rodeodance]

25. ok I won't but-my gut tells me he vote no (surprize me Durbin)

[rodeodance]

16. who is from IlL that can email him and get an answer?

[rodeodance]

17. warner says opponents are attacking her integritity--said it twice

[fooj]

20. Sabra.

[Kota]

31. I just emailed him, probably get the usual form letter back.

[Mojorabbit]

27. neither do I

but I loved his speech. He did not sugarcoat or dance around things.

[rodeodance]

12. yes, good point--but was it his intent not to tell us how he will vote?

[realFedUp]

48. His Chicago office wouldn't say how he's voting...kinda weird

that he left it unsaid.

[realFedUp]

57. Republicans aren't real Americans anymore....

It's more important that they keep their jobs
while doing a hackjob on democracy.

[MoonRiver]

83. He probably hasn't decided

how much political capital is involved one way or the other. Time to put the big squeeeeeze on! :evilgrin:

[norml]

19. Elizabeth Taylor's ex-husband is speaking now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Taylor

[fooj]

24. Husband #????????

GLLAAADIIATORR!!!!!!

[Acryliccalico]

21. He is talking about her

record and words not her actions. How stupid do they think we are!!!

[buzzard]

22. You can say whatever you want but a lie is still a lie no matter who you

are.

[anarchy1999]

23. I just want someone again to tell me why this is happening. Why are

we debating the confirmation of a person that could and should be convicted of treason? LYING TO CONGRESS!

[fooj]

excellent question!! any lawyers in the house?

[realFedUp]

30. Good question

Because no one has come out and said
she should be held for treason, along
with her bosses for lying.

[fooj]

35. We need a lawyers perspective! Who know the ins and outs of this?

[underpants]

32. Wel, truth be told, if it wasn't for Warner --Olllie North would be Va.'s

other Senator.

Okay now that you have caught your breath....the answer is I don't know other than the Dems finally are rid of Daschle and might actually have a pair.

[rodeodance]

33. i have no idea

[fooj]

28. I agree w/buzzard! A lie is a lie no matter how you package it!

[rodeodance]

36. I need a very big shovel for all this poop coming from his mouth

[DearAbby]

40. They continue to lie....Did half the country take the pill that makes them

not see the lies for what they are? I feel like I am living in an altered reality. I can clearly see it, but others don't. Brainwashed.

Warner still touts the Fear/terror aspect. the non existant WMD element...do they think we are stupid?
:shrug:

[Carni]

126. "I feel like I am living in an altered reality"

You have just perfectly summed up how I feel...

It was bad enough after the 2000 selection but since our fine pResident invaded Iraq it has been like one big bizarro world.

"Nation building"
"Spreading freedom"
"everything changed after 911"

I keep wondering if these whackos actually believe what they are spouting...especially since it is the opposite of what they spouted for several years (How can we forget all their bitching about Kosovo?)

I have never seen eye to eye with the Republican party on anything but their actions over the last two years enter into the realm of hysteria and mental illness--not to mention out and out stupidity.

Do they not understand that when you spend money that you do not have that eventually there will be no more loans?

That eventually there will be no more people who will fight in this riduculous so called *war* around the world that they apparently have planned.

Forget ideology WTF are these idiots THINKING because they appear to have no plan of any type.

[realFedUp]

34. Weapons in the hands of a despot....yeah, Bush.

[rodeodance]

38. our 'diplomacy' was full of lies--and he calls it diplomacy!!

[Acryliccalico]

37. Had to quit watching

I went to C-Span 1. Really interesting. Talking about the cost and spending of *.

[rodeodance]

41. now we get to hear a liteny of how brutal SH was (dronning on and on)

[DearAbby]

52. Oh Sure...Saddam was brutal, having torture chambers

Now we man those chambers...really is this what America stands for?

Its the reason de jour...Depose Saddam because he is bad...But I remember that it wasnt the reason, the reason for Iraq was WMD. :shrug:

[fooj]

39. Do we have a lawyer available? Wish Warner would shut his trap!

[Untouchedalarm]

43. He thinks he is the clean up man

[Avalux]

49. I'm not a lawyer fooj -

but isn't it a matter of who's in charge? Since the Dems don't control the House or the Senate, we can't very well initiate treason charges, just as we can't impeach *.

[fooj]

56. I've got it posted in the gen. discussion politics forum...waiting...

Warner makes me sick!

[Avalux]

68. read the replies to your thread

no treason- oh well. Guess it's OK to lie to Congress to start a war. :crazy:

[fooj]

110. I'm in tears over this!

[fooj]

134. Wait a minute...check this out

It violates 18 U.S.C. §§ 1001, providing Congress materially false and fraudulent statements and documents, or attempt to conceal or cover up material facts with tricks and schemes. I think breaking that law is treason, or at least an impeachable offense.


It works for me!

[anarchy1999]

42. With our help all along Senator Warner, you ass! With our help all

along! Where is Granny D?

[American Tragedy]

44. Warner is a fuckin liar.

He said that every diplomatic effort had been taken, yet the inspectors were prevented by the United States from completing their objective and report!

[rodeodance]

47. he said 'force-backed up by diplomacy"!!

[Bluebear]

45. Weapons of Mass Destruction Saddam CLEARLY had...

in...um...er..1991....

[dog_lovin_dem]

46. What's Warner doing?

Is he attempting to make a case for war? I think he's missing the point...Condi is a LIAR.

[rodeodance]

50. yes, he was supporting the need to go to war (therefore Condi)

[Untouchedalarm]

54. That was uncalled for

[buzzard]

53. LOL If he speaks loud maybe he thinks we will understand. n/t

[Untouchedalarm]

59. LOL he thinks he has it going on

[Avalux]

55. He's trying to convince us to go to war

I think he's a bit senile.

[rodeodance]

58. Condi is a 'fine public servant" says Warner--!!!!!

[rodeodance]

61. asks -how can the critics say that they intentionally mislead the country

when other countries, and people --he mentioned kerry by name!! also said this

[rodeodance]

63. mentioning Kerry by name was beyond rude!!

[fooj]

73. That smug bastard will be hearing from me!

[cestpaspossible]

74. It's a lie, is what it is.

[flpoljunkie]

149. I can't wait to hear Senator Kerry. He will be speaking soon.

[dannynyc]

60. When all else fails . . .

somehow try to tie Bill Clinton into the situation. Don't mention the addition knowledge the current administration had before going to war.

"How can anyone say Condi decieved the US?" Uh . . . read the quotes that Barbara Boxer provided!

[DearAbby]

66. The world is safer? What world do you live on Senator Warner? nt

[rodeodance]

67. yes, he conveniently forgot to talk of THIS administration!!

[rodeodance]

69. good WArner is DONE--Fienstein next!!!

[Skidmore]

62. Gotta go.... have an appointment.

Keep updating this and I'll check it later. Thanks, all.

[dannynyc]

64. "the world is safer today"

in your dreams!!!!

[feminazi]

65. jeez, just put di-fi up there already!

so i can hear her drivel, call and complain to her office and listen to the last hour of randi.

[Untouchedalarm]

72. Did Durbin say how he was going to vote?

[realFedUp]

70. DiFi up next, Stevens, Reid, Voinovich, Kerry, Inhofe, Cornyn, Dem Sen.

so we have a full agenda for the rest of the
day....

[fooj]

71. i got my lawyer response. One big NO!! So, our ELECTED

officials can lie all they want, any time they want, however they want. I'm in tears. We are screwed. No matter how morally or ethically right we are. We are screwed. I, for one, am e-mailing Warner and giving his royal highness a piece of my mind! Oh great, now we've got this turncoat bitch from my state, no less!

[bvar22]

Will someone PLEASE tell that asshole (Warner)....

..that the UN Sanctions were 100 per cent effective and successful,
That the INVASION and resultant DEATHS and DESTRUCTION were UNNECESSARY!!!

AND

if Bill Clinton DID believe that there MAY be WMD in Iraq, he wasn't stupid enough to INVADE and OCCUPY Iraq!!!!

FUKIN PROPAGANDIST!!!!

However, well delivered.
This guy is a lethal weapon at dissimination!

[Guaranteed]

75. Oh. Yay. Feinstein. nt

[realFedUp]

76. Senator Feinstein on the plate now

We already know she introduced Ms. Rice
to the Foreign Relations Committee....

She considers herself a friend of Ms.
Rice's and knows bright incisive mind
she has....

now reading Republican talking points.

[realFedUp]

79. She drank the Kool-Aid early on.

[Guaranteed]

80. She used to be such a good person.

I wonder what happened.

[hector459]

130. Her husband is making a mint off the Iraq invasion.

money matters!

[fooj]

77. She is not a fellow Californian! She lived here for how many years?

I will never give Feinstein another one of my votes! NEVER!!!!

[rodeodance]

81. she will vote for Condi (my guess)

[fooj]

82. I'm in tears!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[Kota]

92. Cheer up the good guys will be back on.I think they are letting

Kerry go at five when they have people getting off work.

[Webster Green]

84. Ditto!

We've got to get rid of her!

[fooj]

96. And WE WILL!! She will have plenty time to hang with her buddy!

[bvar22]

78. Did I tell you that...

Rice's momma made her play the piano at 3?????

Pass me the barf bag!

[rodeodance]

87. she is focused on the possible future--not Condi's behavior in the past

[bvar22]

100. IOW, engaging in Fantasy...

and wishful thinking!

[rainbow4321]

88. Next we will be hearing how quickly she was potty trained....n/t

[MoonRiver]

93. And now she's taking it out on the world.

Pass that bag to me when you're finished. :puke:

[realFedUp]

85. DiFi says Sunnis are the problem

Yea Senator, but Ms. Rice isn't the
right person to figure that problem
out.

[Guaranteed]

91. Lieberman is a dirty whore. And, man, Feinstein is just as

dirty of a whore.

This is just disgusting.

[rodeodance]

94. she really has bought into the Bush talk (positive talk)

[fooj]

86. Yes. That significant problem that needs changing is you, Dianne!

[fooj]

90. Guess she got off on those torture pics! She makes me sick!

[DearAbby]

99. You guys in California need to get started on getting rid of this woman

See clearly does not speak for you.

[realFedUp]

106. I know....there is talk of running someone else against her.

but with current Dem leadership it will
be a hurdle.

[E_Smith]

89. Feinstein is a genius!

"Sunni population has become part of the problem"... not shit.

[rodeodance]

95. thought it was nasty insurgents!!

[rodeodance]

102. whow--she does NOT think Rice was a KEY archetic of the policy!!

whow--so that is her reasoning--on how she lets Condi off the hook!!

[rodeodance]

108. I did not know her reasoning before (not that I agree)-but if she reasons

this way--then it is logical for her to say Condi not responsible.

[BigBearJohn]

97. I wonder what would happen if everyone here wrote her

like we did Boxer. Letting her know she is going to lose
tons and tons of votes if she doesn't start flying her
Democratic colors.

[adigal]

105. I wrote to her

and told her I was seriously financially support, as much as I could, anyone who opposed her in the primaries.

[adigal]

98. Serious challenge deserve quality leadership

Please, get rid of this woman, California.


I understand that some of my colleagues, many on my own side, has reservations, state she was the chief architect, I believe the chief architects were the Pres, VP and the Secty of Defense. Remember, 78 members of this body voted to authorize use of force in Iraq.

[realFedUp]

101. Feinstein's saying Rice wasn't key architect of bombing Iraq

She sure sold it though....many times over.
Put some responsibility where it belongs.

[rodeodance]

109. yes, that is amazing--first time I heard that one.

[E_Smith]

103. "based on the intelligence we received".. that Condi cooked.

[fooj]

104. BUT DOCTOR RICE NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR LYING

UNDER OATH! I WANT TO SEE HER SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[buzzard]

113. It won't happen I think both rep's and dem's have convinced themselves

it was faulty intelligence rather than misrepresentation of the facts.

[rodeodance]

166. yes, they convince themselves of this over and over and over

[David Zephyr]

107. Feinstein has lost me forever today and I'm sorry to say so.

I will vote Green or Socialist should she seek her seat again.

And I have supported her for years here in California.

No more.

Making war on lies and spreading those lies as Condi did is not a small issue.

And yes, Dr. Rice should be blamed. She didn't just pass on bad intelligence unwittingly, she exaggerated the threat.

"Mushroom cloud over American cities"?

You lost me Dianne today...forever.

[BigBearJohn]

111. Me too. CONSEQUENCES baby ... ACCOUNTABILITY - hers!

she must be made to feel the consequences of her actions.
A wolf in sheeples clothing:mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[rodeodance]

112. now the chair let her run on for a minute but Durbin before had to quit

[BigBearJohn]

121. Feinstein just loves her gf Condi... hmmm.. I wonder

[fooj]

115. Ditto! I can't bear to look at her I'm so disgusted!

[DearAbby]

117. This woman is a democrat?

:wow:

[realFedUp]

119. ditto....capability of doing the job is not the same as doing the best job

Education, capability and intelligence are
qualities of the most evil people also...
shouldn't denote a person is best for a real
America.

[RadiDem]

131. Diane's now officially a DINO / She lost me on IWR

Time for a new progressive Democratic Senator here in Ca who will compliment the GREAT Barbara Boxer

[Laura PourMeADrink]

142. This whole thing is very telling. Those who vote YES -- are

where we need to find NEW democrats to replace. #1 Joe-mentum - He does not represent liberal minded people from CT (my home state) and #2 DiFi -- What happened to her? Any ideas. Did she speak on Jan 6th?

[E_Smith]

114. Feinstein unreal apologist for Condi.... NO CRITIQUE.

[shadowknows69]

118. I think she wants to f*ck her n/t

[rodeodance]

120. rathe sad --Feinstein supporting Condi!!

[feminazi]

116. did feinstein just allude to a hope that condi would be prez?

did i hear that right? "confirm her own cabinet?"

[E_Smith]

122. no, she meant she wanted a female prez. n/t.

[rodeodance]

125. I hear that--but think it was a misspeak as she was talking of SOS

cabinate confirmation

[bvar22]

123. Feinstein...

Fighting to make the World safer for predatory Corporations!

Card carrying member of the DLC!

Iraq will be a success when we can open a Wal-Mart in every neighborhood, then none of our young men will have died in vain!

Did I tell you that her mamma made her play the piano at 3 ???

[realFedUp]

124. Working out with the Stanford football team is a plus?

Gads, let's get a fucking cheerleader then.
Oh, sorry, we have one.

[rodeodance]

127. no, it was the "cheering in the bleechers" that is the plus (te he)

[shadowknows69]

128. wow forbes mag voted her most powerful woman in the world

that's endorsement enough. we should definitely let her be SOS or she'll destroy us

[rodeodance]

133. Jack Reed, Dem. RI says yes (is this right)

[realFedUp]

129. Give her LA office your opinion....310 914-7300

[RadiDem]

140. I'm on hold now !

[realFedUp]

132. Jack Reed Opposes Rice

yyyyeeeeaaahhhhhhhh....I thought Reid was going
to speak. sorry.

[rodeodance]

137. I must not have listened too well, thanks

[realFedUp]

138. I remember how dissed Madeleine Albright was from rightwingnuts

And Ms. Albright had so much more experience.

[realFedUp]

141. I haven't paid much attention to this guy before...but will remember now!

[rodeodance]

147. looks like a 'quiet" type

[DearAbby]

143. Bares repeating, Californians tell the fine senator how you feel about her

comfirmation vote of "dr" Rice... Give her LA office your opinion....310 914-7300

:wow:

Start now, get rid of that woman, she is clearly a Puke in Dems clothing.

[BigBearJohn]

135. How about we slam her with emails before the vote tomorrow?

Her one last chance

[buzzard]

136. I have a question, why do senators want articles from the

newspapers put into the record, most are opinion pieces so what is the reason?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

148. If in the future, they are wrong, they can say , "Well the New York Times

(insert paper) agreed with me."

[rodeodance]

154. remember they news from the papers-as the WH bypasses Congress;-)

[rudlop]

139. Feinstein is a resident of Bush-world.

She doesn't even realize shes not playing the right game. She still thinks that the Neo-cons are interested in democracy and the American way. She doesn't realize that they would rather do without the Senate all together. She NEEDS to realize that we are OPPOSED to these people. She needs to OPPOSE as much as she can. I only hope that California will realize this and get her the hell out of there.

[rodeodance]

145. I had always looked up to Feinsten prior to these hearings. She said

Condi was a long term friend. She is in a difficult spot.

[DearAbby]

152. Feinsten is in a difficult spot...is she in the senate to promote her own

views or those of whom she is to represent? Did she not receive emails and faxes from those that do not buy into the lies that led us to an unjustified war? Just who is she representing?

[rodeodance]

155. maybe she got more yeses to confirm?? (I have no idea)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

153. Question: Are the other senators sitting out there? n/t

[rodeodance]

158. camera is only on the speakers--I wanted to see other faces also

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

146. She has a vested financial interest. n/t

[rodeodance]

150. Feinstien does? how so?

[demgrrrll]

157. Isn't her husband a defense contractor? I think so. eom

.

[chiffon]

151. Senator Reed (D) Rhode Island is in da house--Opposes Rice!

Great supportive comments and statements that Rice's credibility is what is in question.

[rodeodance]

156. he is doing well--talked of "groupthink"

[rodeodance]

159. says (nyt) that condi tells Bush what he wants to hear -rather than what

he wants to know. Great!

[rodeodance]

160. Condi has helped isolate us with the rest of the world

[rodeodance]

162. Cond's confirmation would represent a continuation rather than a

change or reassessment to the bush polices==great ending.

[justsomegirl]

161. Well spoken...

He also touched on her politicking for the president last fall...

[rodeodance]

164. no quarum--that means Senators have drifted and now a roll call

naughty little boys and girls sneaking out!!

[annabanana]

163. Jack Reed, R.I. votes NO...................a good guy

be sure to give him props peeps!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

165. THREAD #9 please. This is way too big. Here's a link or MODS feel free...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1529934

[rodeodance]

167. ohio Repub. Voinovich vots YES

[mtnester]

168. Arrg, now the slimy Voinobitch, unfortunately, one of my senators

scumbag, dickhead...corrupt SOB

God he is hated here, I wish the Ohio Dems could get a real candidate to run against his butt

[hilster]

169. What's Voinobvich saying....?

one of my senators, actually bombarded him with e-mails.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

171. Actually, he did say that the admin has not been as candid as

he would like in the last couple years and hopes Condi understands how important that is.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

170. "She is so smart" Does anyone here know one good thing

she has done to show how "smart" she is? She doesn't strike me as very bright or knowledgable. Even if I totally hate a repug, I can recognize intelligence. Personnally I don't see it