I have one thing in common with RWers, I now loath Hillary Clinton

[Melodybe]

Her election reform bill was trash, she refused to vote against the conformation of Bush, Rice, and will more than likely vote a big ole YAY for Gonzales. She is fine with the new freedom commission and the presidential yatch. Screw her, she doesn't give a shit about us and as soon as people get that we'll all be much better off.

She is a traitor and if she runs for president she'll never get my vote.

We have to understand that our party has been bought and sold just as much as the repubs. Once we get that through our thick sculls we'll all be better off.

From here on out all politicians are p.o.s. It will be a whole lot easier to convince the fundies I know politicians are not out for us they are out for themselves and big business, then trying to convince them one party is better than another.

With noteable exceptions of the 13 no's today and special shouts out for the CBC, Dean, Kucinich, and Boxer.

To hell with the rest, they don't care about the truth or us.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

2. The election was stolen by fraud

See now you feel better?

Taht said there was historic fraud but... Though shall not attack a fellow Republican is very much a reason for Repuke success... just that people cannot get that in their heads

That said, Hillary is a bad candidate and it has all to do with how easy the media will paint her as left of Stalin... never mind that she is left of Bush but center right truly

[Walt Starr]

12. Reagan's eleventh commandment isn't the reason they win

The fact that they vote in lockstep is the reason they win.

Until Democrats start doing the same on each and every vote, we will consistently lose. Unfortunately, political ambitions trump doing the right thing for Democrats.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. The eleventh commandment is the first step

voting in lockstep comes later... '

Look at the history of teh development of the radical Right... that said, it is antithethical to democracy... not that we have any left ok... the republic IS dead

[lancdem]

19. That's funny

because Bayh and Kerry voted no on Rice and Hillary voted yes, and they all supposedly have political ambitions. So Bayh and Kerry were voting against their ambitions?

[MoonRiver]

41. Maybe Hillary doesn't do the 'internets'.

:shrug:

[deutsey]

30. Paying off and intimidating the media helps, too

as does slavishly serving the needs, whims and desires of the wealthiest elites in this country.

Not to mention lying, cheating, and manipulating the emotions and prejudices of people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. What yuo think Rush does that? NAH, com'on he has

just been race baiting like the pro he is....

But do tell me about the lib'ral media...

[Marlie]

4. Hey Mark

Do you know why Democrats never win? Because they don't eat up &
chew out the opposition.

[Cha]

27. I agree with your scenario!

They should try being on the offensive for a change..if they have any principles?!

[sueh]

56. Hey, Marlie!

You are correct, as usual. Reminds me of the old saying" good guys come in last". It's time for the Dems to "put up their dukes".

[Melodybe]

5. No, screw them, get over it they don't care about you

fuck that about repubs not eating their own, just because they are a bunch of lockstep nazi doesn't mean we have to be.

I want a party that will actually stand up and fight for me, for what is right and good, if they democrats can't do that they fuck 'um.

[mark414]

11. you're not going to get anywhere

calling them nazi's

there are WAY too many knee jerk reactionaries on the left and so many of them get absolutely outraged at the stupidest picky little details

if the republicans would have lost the election, they would have gotten together immediately and put together a plan to make a killing in 2006. what the fuck did we do? not one damn dime day? more like dumbest idea ever day...

i'm no fucking appeaser or centrist, i had to hold my nose to vote for kerry but christ some people on here need to GET A GRIP

[andyhappy]

24. knee jerk reactionaries are the bread and butter of the right

dumbest idea ever day

on edit -- I love that...I thought it was dumb as well

[mark414]

28. pretty much all of them are

but we've got a lot too

i notice that especially on here, well, mostly on here

[CWebster]

26. Speaking of eating their own

Seems like the centrist leadership puts more effort and energy into marginalizing and attacking the party's activist base than in supporting a united front against the Republicans. In fact, they are more likely to accomodate the Right;s agenda.

[wryter2000]

32. Excuse me...

When Newt effed up he was history. On edit: the also tried to sink Specter for being too liberal this year.

The reason Republicans win is because they lie, and the 'Murikan public hasn't figured that out yet.

[atreides1]

6. Republicans Win

Because they have the Stepford formula, if you paid close attention you would see that they not only eat the ones who don't tow the party line, they like to use them for fertilizer.

As for the election being stolen, who knows what happened? Maybe it was on the up and up, but that would indicate that 59 million Americans think that being incompetent is a good thing.

[ixion]

14. republicans win because they lie, cheat and steal

they're unethical and corrupt, and they tilt the playfield to their advanatage because they can't stand the thought of a fair fight.


That said, dems (DINOs) like Hillary Clinton are no better in my opinion. This whole 'seeking common ground' stuff is for the birds.

[lancdem]

29. Did you read what she said?

She did not change her position on abortion one iota. Isn't that what matters? She didn't move to the right. She supports family planning and the morning-after pill to reduce the number of abortions. And that's bad???

[ixion]

47. Hillary

-- supported the illegal invasion of Iraq, which is enough in and of itself. What I object to is looking for common ground with a group of people who would never in a thousand years actually hold up their end of the bargain. The fact that she pays lip service to this means that she drank the Kool-Aid®, IMO

[Streetdoc270]

8. republicans win because

they can erase their own thoughts or base moralities and vote what the Party tells them to. Note that all the republicans speaking on an issue all say the same thing, and they all vote along party lines, very few vote cross-isle.

[Downtown Hound]

9. You can only call them your own for so long

If they continually and habitually vote against your wishes and why you put them there, then they are yours no longer.

[Ganja Ninja]

16. Here's why the GOP wins.

Take a good look at the vote count on the Rice confirmation. Not one Republican voted against her. They take a hard line and they don't stray from it. The Democrats are a party in name only. When it comes time to vote they fracture every time.

[sendero]

51. Yes..

... and one could easily make the case that the YES votes were the fracturers.

Dems had NOTHING TO LOSE by standing in lockstep against confirming Ohio and Rice. They could have created a media buzz, actually accomplished something.

on edit: i misread the main point. we are in violent agreement :)

[el_gato]

23. dems lose because we have corrupt leadership

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[Melodybe]

10. So I'm mad, I am totally sick of expecting decency and then being

disappointed.

Whatever. I just wanted to rant, and that is what I am doing.

[Cha]

21. I know.. Good for you.."rant" all you want..

It's cathartic! :hug:

[atreides1]

18. But

What is treason? If you fail to uphold the US Constitution after swearing allegiance to it, is that treason?

If you support the state establishment of religion, is that treason?

Is sending the military to fight a war based on lies treason?

If you advocate the deaths of "Liberals" because they demand the rights guaranteed by the US Constitution, is that treason?

What is the meaning of this elusive word?

Anybody????

[cestpaspossible]

7. I'm no fan, but

keep your eye on the ball.


Attack the Republicans.

Support the Democrats who do what you believe is the right thing.

Ignore the Democrats who do not (ignore as in, don't support, don't volunteer, don't contribute, don't defend).

At least, that's my take on it.

[merbex]

15. You are right; why waste any energy on them - positive or negative

redouble your efforts into your beliefs and work for those people that support what you believe

[lancdem]

13. I bet she votes no on Gonzales

You're overreacting.

[Nothing Without Hope]

22. I'll bet she does too. I agree.

DU needs a "Venting room" where people can go to release their pent-up anger and frustration.

The fact is, Clinton is going to be there for a while and we need to work with her to accomplish everything we can. There are very few starry-eyed idealists left standing, and we have to use everything we can to save this country.

[andyhappy]

20. she'll never get past the primaries

no matter how 'moderate' she tries to be she will be eaten alive

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I'll ask the obvoous question

since this is nto the party that supports you... what ARE YOU doing to take over the party?

Realize that will take a good 20 years, but what ARE YOU doing to take over the party?

[Melodybe]

34. Supporting Dean, elction reform, and media regulation

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. DO run for party office locally

and for public office locally, that is ONE route to take over the country and it will take 20 years....

But you need to be involved LOCALLY... that said Dean explained it, why do you think he is trying to crash the party in DC?

[Vinnie From Indy]

33. Note To Self - Disregard Hysterical Bomb Throwing Negative Posts n/t

[Colorado Blue]

50. Amen. N/T.

[autorank]

36. Her behavior is absent a clear explanation...she is a Feinstein!

I've had enough of intelligent people who behave in ways that make absolutely no sense. Rice lied, Rice is incompetent, Rice gets people killed and endangers all of us (the whole country).

What more do you need to disqualify someone from approval, conviction as a serial killer?

Adieu goes my respect for any of the Senators who voted for her approval.

Hillary is a Feinstein

[Melodybe]

38. Thank you!

My best friend's husband is about to be shipped out to fight in this war, Rice is a lying piece of shit, and people are dying because of her lack of morality.

Our congressional democrats are hurting me more the the repubs ever could.

I don't expect anything from republicans, but democrats are suppose to watching out for us, if they refuse to do that then they are worthless to me.

So when they start enacting the New Freedom Commission, which BTW give the government to power to drug your children without your consent tell me again not to eat my own.

When your friends are coming back fucked up or dead from Iraq tell me again to stop eating my own.

I want a new party, the one I'm in sucks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Go Green! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Take over the party

The way the system works it is a two party system... until we change many things... it will be a two party system.

Kick the DLC out... We are... at least locally

[Mr.Green93]

37. She is doing what she has to do

to win.

[Melodybe]

39. Tell that to my friend Alex who now has severe emotional problems

for being ordered to shoot at a school bus.

Fuck her!!!!!!

[KissMeKate]

54. yes, my husband is in the navy

and he will be out to sea ferfucking EVER because of this god damned war.

[Debi]

40. And she is welcome to continue that pattern.

Until she runs nationally and I get to vote against her!

[noonwitch]

44. Bush has the right to pick his cabinet members, like them or not

I don't like Condi or Gonzalas, but they meet the basic criteria for their jobs, even if I don't like their ideology or the policies and war they have advocated. Neither are as terrible as Ed Meese, and Reagan appointed him when the democrats controlled both houses of congress.

What do you expect dems to do-cast a useless vote against her to look good to the left, or do the moderate thing and vote to approve, thus avoid being labelled an obstructionist at a later date?

[googly]

45. now now Melodybe, Hillary is simply carving out the middle where

most voters are. Once she gets in the WH, she will come around real fast
for all our causes such as universal care for all, unhindered abortion
rights and environmental issues. So cut her some slack?

[John_H]

46. You sure do have something in common with rightwingers n/t

[OneBlueSky]

48. she also supports bankruptcy "reform" intended to screw . . .

the little guy and benefit the banks and credit card companies . . . who, it turns out, contribute to her campaigns . . . gee, who'da thunk it . . .

[KittyWampus]

49. Congratulations, You Want A Fucking Medal? Your Post Sounds

like the rantings of an immature 16 year old who wants to be independant but doesn't have the comprehensive skills to actually make it in the REAL WORLD.

If only there was an island somewheres for all the disaffected Democratic Purists who could then rule their acreage without ANY opposition and chase after unicorns and rainbows and serve ice cream 24 hours a day.

[martymar64]

53. So what is your idea Smart Guy?

You bitch about how immature his post sounds yet offer nothing yourself.
You sound like someone who thinks " if I agree with the RW on everything, maybe they'll like me". Well guess what sunshine, appeasement doesn't work. Hillary can't claim one damned vote to show that she supports the Democratic rank and file. She has shown that the DLC and her corporate donors are more important than We the People. Maybe you should book a flight to DINO land.

[Geek_Girl]

55. Sounds like a great place

unicorns and rainbows and serve ice cream 24 hours a day

I want to go there!

[Malva Zebrina]

52. I like to think that I have evolved politically

beyond the Clintons.

Much as they were popular, and much as there was to admire Bill Clinton's presidency, YOU CANNOT GO HOME AGAIN.

I think they are now behind the times and fail to see the urgency of what is happening to our country and instead think that methods employed in their presidency, can be applied now.

Ain't

Hillary has acclimated to the "hill". Not good imo.

I want someone outside of the "hill" because it is subject to corruption,manipyulation and pandering, all on it's own as a matter of fact.