Consider Hillary in 2008 and Arnold in 2012

[Domitan]

Suppose each of them win their party's nomination and then win the national elections in these respective years, would that make you more likely to believe that there are truly strings pulled beyond the control of ordinary people. Hillary, being such a divisive figure, should not come close to winning in 2008. As for Arnold, the amendment to allow foreign-born candidates to run for president has not yet been made. If he wins in 2012, that's assuming that amendment came through...and then was given the reins to the GOP party and then that of the entire USA. Those two improbable scenarios turn out to happen, so will that make you wonder how "preordained" this whole thing is?

[bunkerbuster1]

1. No.

[progressiveright]

2. no

not even gonna consider that. the answer is... just say no.

[Roland99]

3. Not a chance for either.