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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:52 PM
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I get it now. The real reason why Clinton is so chummy with Bush now
He's building bridges for his wife in '08. In the beginning, I was a huge supporter of H. Clinton but I'm not so sure anymore. I'm so disillusioned right now :-(.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:54 PM
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1. I don't know what his reason is but all I can say right now is
he has broken my heart...truly broken my heart.

I guess he stands a step or two higher that Zell Miller right now.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:52 AM
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27. It's been a while now that there is ONLY one side. We're all suspects now.
(The more I learn, the longer I think we've been on the 1984-path. The entire propaganda manufacturing of bin Laden with CIA-controlled media as described in the BBC's 'Power of Nightmares' is described here):

>snip<

An infrastructure is being laid out - one that will, finally, provide a dissident-proof totalitarian oligarchy composed of like-minded elites served by an under-class kept under constant surveillance. The edifice of this regime is being constructed, brick by brick, with the mortar of the Office of Homeland Security (to centralize and coordinate an effective police state), the Freedom Corps (to indoctrinate the most idealist - and therefore activist - elements of the populace toward service to the state), and the Patriot Act (to provide the legal basis for subverting long-held rights under the screen of national security). If all of this sounds strangely familiar, if it is redolent of Huxley and Orwell, that is perhaps because Huxley and Orwell were both intimately involved with the elites of their time - in fact, were fully subsumed among them - in ways that made their future projections abundantly prescient, and, in their minds, inevitable. With further refinements in mind control technologies - yes, they do exist - as well as the monopolization of the food supply by way of sterile seed "terminator technology" - the approval for which was granted in the months following 9/11 - the masses may be perpetually culled and exploited by those who hold the keys to this fully managed society.

If this notion of reality strikes you as somewhat dissonant, at odds with your own personal experience, it may be perhaps that we have not quite arrived there yet, and that you have personally not felt the corrosive lash of political corruption and governmental malfeasance. In all likelihood, you have not read the mountain of evidence detailing political and elite deviant behaviour in this country. You may even be dismissive of "conspiracy theories", yet wholly unaware of the well-documented attempts by the CIA and FBI to subvert, surveil, and propagandize the populace through programs such as Project Mockingbird (media infiltration) and MK-Ultra (mind control through chemical, hypnotic, or electro-magnetic means). These programs are effected primarily through "think tanks" that are set up across the United States for the purpose of disseminating information and propaganda under the rubric of "expertise". Moreover, various foundations, such as the Rockefeller or Ford Foundations, are often used as funnels to finance and feed the arteries of these propaganda networks. In the 1970's, a good deal of this structural corruption was officially exposed - in a "limited hang-out" - by way of the Church Commission, as well as the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Thereafter, much of the most damaging revelations were played down or ignored by the mainstream media, and the waters were then muddied by a stream of outlandish conspiracy theories - aliens, Elvis, etc. - that merely served to discredit the information that was most credible. "Muddying the waters", incidentally, is a tried and true staple of the intelligence craft.

It is really just a matter of familiarizing yourself with all the documented anomalies that do not accord with the received, mainstream reality put forth to you by the mainstream media. As a practical guide to begin, you might want to confine your search to strictly "mainstream" sources, as I have sought to do in attempting to construct my case on 9/11. My evidence is by no means exhaustive. In fact, it is merely the proverbial tip of the iceberg. Yet proceeding in this direction, under my hypothesis, has been most fruitful in analyzing the various anomalies that pop up now and then.

Any simple keyword search of the following terms may be helpful in pointing toward a more substantive understanding of the elites who ultimately guide your fortunes: "Iran-Contra" , "Mena", "BCCI", "Project Paperclip", "Michael Aquino", "Paul Bonacci", "Operation Northwoods", "MK-Ultra". Much of the information on these topics is credible and well-documented. More disturbingly, it highlights behavior committed by the very same elites who are now interpreting the events of 9/11 for you. Read for yourself, and decide, at the end of the day, how much credibility you will continue to accord to those who claim to be the proper trustees of your fate and well-being.


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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:55 PM
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2. Ummm...I know the feeling.
The only way I cope is by donating to the causes I believe in, and working through Democracy for America and Progressive Democrats of America.

I can stand up for what I believe in - anyway!
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:56 PM
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3. me too. Ever since his 'am I the only one on this stage that thinks
both men ...blah, blah, blah' speech on the campaign trail (at the very end when he finally came out) I haven't been able to figure him out. Seems like he's trying to be neither dem or repuk. What then? Ambassador???
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:56 PM
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4. Oh yeah, the Republicans will lay out the best WH linen for Hilliary's
inaugural...no chance that they'll restart the Inquisition where they left off.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:56 PM
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5. They tell me it only hurts for a little while
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:57 PM
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6. At least she voted to
keep the banking industry from controlling the Real Estate market along with Lautenburg and Feingold. Hopefully, this time it will be permanent. Had a link but I deleted it!
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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:00 PM
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7. I Fear You Are Right....When Will He Disavow His Remarks On Social Securit
which the republicans keep using to whip dems....

Why doesn't he speak out....
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:00 PM
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8. I remember a certain night two years ago
when this place got into a tizzy over what you have just said.

Today, barely a whimper.
Your position is no longer controversial,
and I still miss Nico.
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:04 PM
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9. Maybe he thinks he can influence Bush
by cozying up to him. If so, he's a fool.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:07 PM
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12. Clinton is quite convincing and charming
Yet, I'm sure Bush I feels nothing but hatred towards him, even if he pretends that he doesn't. No amount of charm can overcome hate.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:05 PM
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10. his biggest weakness
i mean, other than you-know-what, is that he wants everyone to like him.

Bush doesn't give a shit. Clinton does. Sometimes caring about how others feel about you is a bad thing.
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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:05 PM
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11. Less We Forget
HIlary Clinton was a Goldwater Republican before she saw the light. It's time for all Democrats to say we don't want any candidate or agenda that aligns itself with Bush Co.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:11 PM
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13. My wife was a Goldwater Girl in 1964
but now she has a major role in our county Dem. party. So it is what you do NOW that is important. On that score, however, Hilary is a disappointment. I think she should disavow the war for starters and the PNAC agenda as well.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:27 PM
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14. I am so pissed by this that I can't see straight right now!
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 03:28 PM by TheGoldenRule
Clinton has gone over to the other side and he WILL confuse a lot of people out there who aren't informed about the * agenda.

Today he even said he likes *! C'mon! Is that total azz kissing or what?! It completely disgusts me that Clinton would stoop so low to get what he wants-a UN position for himself and a nomination for Hillary.

That Clinton is doing ANY of this is proof beyond measure that he's a corrupt mother f-er and so is Hillary! :puke:
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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 03:47 PM
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15. I don't think it's THAT bad....
For Clinton to "go over to the other side" would mean he would have to denounce just about all of his own policies and beliefs. That won't happen. But there's more to this.All Presidents have a common bond, that of having been President or being one at the present time. Believe it or not, W has in recent months been more than polite toward Clinton. I was also very proud to see Clinton and Bush Sr do the tsunami relief ads together.

Presidents and ex-Presidents treat each other differently than we at street level might think, want, expect or even hope for. Carter invited Nixon back to the White House. Carter and Ford are now good friends. Clinton was more than gracious to Reagan. All these men are members of the most exclusive club in the world, perhaps in the history of the world.

I understand your sentiments. However, it does not make Clinton corrupt. It certainly doesn't make Hillary corrupt. I'm certain that both of them will speak out on any of Bush's policies that they find detrimental to the country. They may choose to be less confrontational when they do disagree.

One question, though. Haven't many of us demanded that people like the Bushes treat the Clintons with more respect? If that is finally happening, shouldn't we be happy about it?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:51 AM
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16. It's VERY BAD. Because their "friendship" is seen an endorsement
and is misunderstood by the majority of the public who still think the republican lite Clintons are just peachy and who have nary a clue about the true extent of the lies and manipulation by the BFEE.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:18 AM
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17. did you watch the economic summit where Clinton said he liked Bush?
you should watch it - it will be shown on c-span again - before rushing to such a harsh judgement of Clinton's motives.

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Cadence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:01 AM
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25. I saw it. I still don't know how Clinton can say he's a good politician
as if he really is intelligent. Come on... he's an idiot.

But I love watching Clinton speak. That was a really good speech and I do understand more now where he's coming from.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:33 AM
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18. Not to be Clinton-negative, but Integrity never was his strong point.
Sure, he had charisma, but the truth IS...
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:43 AM
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19. Bill is a classic "adult child of an alcoholic"
wants to be liked, tries to avoid conflict, among other things. I have many of the same traits. I recognize it.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:15 AM
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31. I've thought the same thing for years
I guess you have to be one to see it in others. :(
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:49 AM
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20. No, Clinton is tactful. What is he supposed to say
about the blivet? In the meantime, as has been pointed out by others, when Clinton talks, you learn something. And the audience was enraptured. Charlie Rose wasn't a bad acompaniment either!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3015137
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:57 AM
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21. He's stickin it to the chimp, getting the respect from Poppy that
Shrub never got.

I'm lovin it!

Maybe he'll get together with 41 and put the monster back in the box.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:53 AM
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24. You better believe it...Bush privately thinks his son is a f*ckup
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:46 AM
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33. I've thought that for a long time.
He's probably ashamed of spawning such a no-talent loser.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:45 AM
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22. Maybe he wants to join the Carlyle Group and become super rich.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:50 AM
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23. Gee, I guess raising money for Tsunami Victims is beneath Clinton, right?
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 02:52 AM by ClarkUSA
Tsunami victims beg to differ.


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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:26 AM
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26. Use this to shake up the sheeplike followers of Bush!
There is NOTHING on this earth that those people hate worse than Clinton! I myself did not like Clinton. (Now, I actually MISS him!)

We need to rub their nose in it: "Hey, look, Poppy's making nice with that man you call a rapist!" (Clinton and Poppy are both going to the Super Bowl.)

I really enjoyed looking at the reaction of online Bush-worshippers to those pictures of Bush and Clinton together at Clinton's library opening.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:07 AM
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28. what information built that bridge for you?
If you ever watch soap operas (I confess ... I am addicted to PAssions and my daughter tapes it for me each day), when someone says, "I get it now. I understand everything," you can bet your bottom dollar that they understand nothing.

So what information convinced you of this?
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:28 AM
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29. He's lulling them into complacenty so he can bitch slap them at a crucial

moment.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:13 AM
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30. One of Clinton's key messages since leaving the White House...
is that when public discourse is based on hate and vindictiveness, it favors Republicans. When politics aims to find the best in people, we win. (The DVD The Hunting of the President has a speech by Clinton where he expounds upon this idea.) His basic philosophy is "hate the deed, not the man".

I fail to see how pushing for civility in the political arena is the same thing as selling out, but I guess you'll inevitably find someone here that can equate anything with selling out.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:42 AM
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32. Nail. Head. Hit it.
The Big Dog needs to be close to you to slip that stiletto into your back.

Ask Newt. He knows.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:47 AM
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34. "Keep your friends close & your enemies closer." eom
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:21 PM
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35. I think it would be funny if Bill just got chummy to hurt * with his wacko
right supporters.
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