Senator Bill Nelson NEEDS PNAC information.

[Just Me]

He's splitting from the democrat rebellion.

Maybe, we should help him out and write him about PNAC and other pertinent information.

:bounce:

[jasmeel]

1. Why?

[Mika]

45. He probably wants to join.

[robbedvoter]

2. Well, besides their own website, stuff I collected from Clark:

Clark - the anti-PNAC candidate Story score: · Remove from Hotlist
By Robbedvoter
Posted to Robbedvoter's weblog (Soapbox) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2004 at 12:42:36 PM EST


Funny how the one candidate exposing PNAC gets tarred as PNAC-er. It's a never ending slander, so I am gathering some ammunition here:

Here's Clark on TPM:
 And in an odd replay of the Carter administration, found itself chained to the Iraqi policy -- promoted by the Project for a New American Century -- much the same way that in the Carter administration some of the same people formed the Committee on the Present Danger which cut out from the Carter administration the ability to move forward on SALT II.

TPM: This being the same neo-conservatives that people hear about in the press today?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_09_28.html
and here's PNAC responding:
CLARK EMERGING AS AN OPPONENT OF REAGANISM

http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html& Path=NYS/2003/10/02&ID=Ar00100
Candidate Derides Committee That Crafted Cold War Victory
Also, after his book was published, the press noticed the PNAC chapter. here's the Islamic press:

7 Muslim Countries Were On U.S. War List: Wesley Clark

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2003-09/22/article04.shtml
"What a mistake! I reflected...as though the terrorism were simply coming
from these states," Clark wrote
WASHINGTON, September 22 (IslamOnline.net) - U.S. Presidential hopeful
Wesley Clark, the former general who led NATO forces during the Kosovo
campaign, revealed on Monday, September 22, that the Bush administration
had set-up a five-year plan to invade seven Muslim countries after the
9/11 attacks, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran,
Somalia, and finally Sudan.
In his book "The Clark Critique" excerpts of which were published by
this week's Newsweek edition, the four-star retired general wrote that
following the September attacks, the U.S. administration became
preoccupied with the idea of "state sponsorship" and "draining the
swamp" of terrorism.
"In the aftermath of the attacks of September 11, many in the Bush
administration seemed most focused on a prospective move against Iraq.
This was the old idea of state sponsorship-even though there was no
evidence of Iraqi sponsorship of 9/11 whatsoever," the anti-Iraqi war
Democrat said.
"But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year
campaign plan and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with
Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan."
The Vietnam veteran said that Washington saw that it would be effective
to attack a state than "to chase after individuals, nebulous
organizations, and shadowy associations."
"...For this was not something I wanted to hear. And it was not something
I wanted to see moving forward, either," he said.

[Just Me]

12. Thank you. I'll place that info in my memo to him. eom

[Roland99]

3. Some articles about the effects the PNAC neocons have had on policy

THE COMING WARS by Seymour M. Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact
What the Pentagon can now do in secret.


THE STOVEPIPE by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact
How conflicts between the Bush Administration and the intelligence community marred the reporting on Iraq’s weapons.


SELECTIVE INTELLIGENCE by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact
Donald Rumsfeld has his own special sources. Are they reliable?


The new Pentagon papers - By Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

Hijacking Catastrophe - by Karen Kwiatkowski (Lt. Col. USAF retired)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6895.htm
Hijacking Catastrophe is powerful, understated, straightforward and educational. In a single meticulously organized hour of evidence and analysis, viewers are treated to a thoughtful explanation of modern American empire, neo-conservatism as a driving force for the current Bush administration.

Video (right-click and Save As)...this requires Real Player (I use Real Alternative) to view
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/hijacking_catastrophe.rm

Or, read the book!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566565812/qid=1098245105/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-4468077-5068015?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


More on the PNAC:
http://www.pnac.info/

[Just Me]

13. Thanks. Some more good links to give to him!!! eom

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Nelson is a

Repug in Dem clothing. I doubt if it will make a difference.

[DaveinMD]

6. once again untrue

Nelson is a good Democrat. Where does he fail the ideological purity test.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. He supports the war in Iraq

He refused to support Conyers and Boxer and voted to confirm the Ohio electors.

He voted for Rice yesterday.

He will probably vote for Gonzalez.

I've live in FL. I've written and called his office numerous times. He never even sends a standard reply. Almost everytime I wrote Graham, I not only got a reply, the reply addressed the issue that I had written about.

I don't see how this man represents me any more. Until he has a change of heart, I will never support him or vote for him again.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. You Think Someone To The Left Of Nelson Could Have Won That Seat

Living in Florida you should know better...

Florida Pugs control the governor's mansion, all the elected cabinet positions, the state house, the state senate, and the United States congressional delegation...

Hey guys, did you know Florida Pugs have a filibuster proof majority in the Florida Senate... A Florida state senator can't even pass gas...


Nelson will be lucky if Florida voters give him enough votes to beat Charley "I am the Florida Attorney General And Failed The Florida Bar Exam The First Three Times I Took It" Crist...


Thank God at least one Dem holds statweide office in this state...


Brian
Floridian since the age of eleven...

[DoYouEverWonder]

38. The Dems need to run someone new

if they want to get enough votes to beat the rigged machines next time.

The Dems are going to lose a lot of folks like me otherwise.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. We Florida Dems Must Have A Boatload Of Bad Candidates..

As you can see by my post the Pugs are winning at all levels...


Florida isn't as bad as it's neighbors Alabama and Georgia but it heavily tilts Republican....


Do you really think an in your face liberal could be elected to statewide office here?


I have lived in Florida since 70 and have not seen a candidate like that...


Askew, Chiles, Graham, Nelson were all centrist Dems with Askew being a pro life Dem and Chiles being a pro life Dem at the beginning of his career...

[DaveinMD]

19. look past cabinet appointments

he votes with Democrats most of the time. He's a good Democrat.

[tkmorris]

10. Everything DYEW said is true

I also am a Floridian and have also made repeated attempts to contact the man. It is fruitless, he doesn't seem to want to hear it.

By the way, please stop referring to it as an "ideological purity test". It isn't. Whether you like it or not there are many politicians whose records and public stances don't quite live up to the letter they carry after their name. Zell Miller is a prime example of this. Bill Nelson isn't in his league, tis true, but he leaves an awful lot to be desired.

[Just Me]

15. Try this (it's worked everytime for me),...

Send a letter RETURN RECEIPT.

In your letter include

RE: OFFICIAL WRITTEN NOTICE

I'll betcha 10 to 1 you WILL get a response. :bounce:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Bill Nelson Has Never Attacked Another Democrat...

That separates him from Zell.....


In fact that separates him from a lot of folks on this board...

[DaveinMD]

18. Sell Miller never had an 80 percent ADA rating

to Nelson is ludicrous. There is an ideological purity test around here. People question good Democrats every day around here. Nelson is a good Democrat even if he isn't perfect.

[tsuki]

37. He may be a good Democrat, but he does not take care of his

grass roots. I am out there every day talking him up, but most do not even know what he looks like. He need to get down here and talk to us. And if that is questioning him, it is only because without his support, we cannot get him elected.

[DaveinMD]

20. 75 percent and 80 percent ADA voting record

the last two years. Yeah. He's not a Democrat. Geez.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Go Back And Check...

That's higher than the ADA scores of Lawton Chiles and Bob Graham when they were freshmen senators...

[DaveinMD]

24. yep

he's a good Democrat. But people would rather run good people out of the party.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. He Beat Impeachent Goober McCollum..

He deserves a trophy....

[DoYouEverWonder]

39. No folks like you

are running good democrats like me out of the party.

[DaveinMD]

44. folks like me?

what does that mean. Nelson has a 75-80 percent ADA rating. How is that bad. How does defending good Democrats run you out of the party.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Good, Schmood

He's the only Democrat to hold statewide office in the entire state....



There is some hope on the horizon... The late Lawton Chiles' son is going to run for governor...


I hope he does well....

[Mika]

47. Nelson campaigned for Mel Martinez

Another DINO :puke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. When Did Nelson Campaign For Matinez?

What kind of crock of shit is that?

[DaveinMD]

50. he didn't

its a complete lie. TINO-Truth in Name Only.

[DaveinMD]

49. untrue

75-80 percent ADA. And Nelson campaigned for Castor. Nice try, but its a lie. Here's a link.

http://ga1.org/orangedemocratsfl/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=1009183

[KeireG]

5. Whether or not...

he is a republican in democratic clothing is irrelevant. Many Republicans and Democrats, alike, loathe neocons.

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. One of the best sources for PNAC info is their own website

www.newamericancentury.org

Like Hitler in Mein Kampf, they spelled out their agenda very clearly, from the invasion of Iraq, along with Iran and Syria. North Korea is also mentioned. And the neccessity of an event "like another Pearl Harbor" in order to sell this agenda to the American people. It also goes into science-fiction sounding things like biological weapons which target specific genteic traits (i.e. chemical genocide, more or less)

And every last word of it was written before the existence of the so-called "war on terrorism".

[Hippo_Tron]

9. Nelson of NEBRASKA or Nelson of FLORIDA?

Nelson of Nebraska isn't going to be part of any democratic rebellion because he's from one of the most red states in the country. As far as I'm concerned he's a free caucus vote.

[tkmorris]

11. I assume Nelson of FL

The Nelson of Nebraska is Ben Nelson.

[Mend]

21. Bill Nelson is up for reelection here in Fl

in 2006 and running as a repuke-lite. Bob Graham stayed true and he never lost in this red state. Bill Nelson is making a mistake. Why do these guys do this (see Daschle) when it is so clearly a losing strategy?

[Orangepeel]

22. except for the Iraq resolution (which I grant is a big thing)

Nelson and Graham voted almost identically. I love Bob Graham (quite a bit more than I like Nelson, although of course I'll support him), but Graham was a moderate through and through.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. People Forget Bob Graham Was One Of Only Ten Senate Dems To Vote

For Gulf War One....


I'm not saying that to slam him but to put votes in a historical context....

[Mend]

34. I believe, and I may be wrong,

that Graham voted his beliefs, not political expediency. If Nelson truly believes that Torture Boy should be AG, that would make sense. I just can't believe any Democrat could support this guy.... he is so bad that Democrats should suspend politics for a moment and do the right thing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. You Need To Do Some Research.....

Bill Nelson had higher ADA scores as a freshman senator than either Lawton Chiles or Bob Graham....


It took Bob Graham twenty years to build the capital necessary to take controversial votes....

[candy331]

36. Nelson was quick to come out and say he could work with

newly elected Gonzalez w/o being asked, so he feels that to not make waves his seat will be safe but he will be gone in the next election. I look for Florida to have 2 repug senators and governor just like Georgia now has. Goodbye Nelson.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. I Have More Faith In You About Nelson..

After all Martinez only won by a half a percent or so against a non-incumbent...


I like Nelson's chance in 06....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Bill Nelson Had A Higher ADA Rating As A Freshman Senator Than Either

Grham or Chiles...


Senator Graham voted for NAFTA, Gulf War 1, and DOMA... It doesn't make him Atilla the Hun but it doesn't make him Dennis Kucinich either......

[sherilocks]

28. Bill Nelson has a pretty good voting record (check the link)

I don't always agree with him, bt I have no problem supporting Nelson. Just imagine the repug neocon that would take Nelson's place if he loses his next election. Maybe he doesn't measure up to your ideal senator, but he won here in Florida.

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Bill_Nelson.htm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Can You Imagine How Mel Martinez Is Going To Vote?

ugh.....

[Orangepeel]

30. *shudder*

[sherilocks]

31. Mel Martinez is a slime

I expect that he will kiss the chimp's butt in all matters.

Who ever runs against Bill Nelson will be equally as bad as Martinez or even worse, if it's possible.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. He Was Ok As A County Commissioner But He Went Over To The Dark Side...

A friend of mine worked at the law firm where Bill Frederick and Mel Martinez were partners....


Mel Martinez bears no resemblance to that man....


That's what irks me about idealogues who want to throw moderate Dems to the wolves...


The total contempt for practical politics...

[sherilocks]

33. He's a piece of shit

Only a POS could change so drastically with the shifting wind. I can smell him from here.

[Orangepeel]

35. well, he went from obscure county chair to US Senator in about 4 years

apparently, there are big rewards for selling your soul.

[Idioteque]

40. The ironic thing is...

...Mel Martinez used to be a Democrat. His actually worked on Bill Nelson's congressional campaign years ago. I guess he was what you would call a "Norm Coleman Democrat" :).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Thanks For That Information...

Mel Martinez was also a trial lawyer; a quite prolific one...