The Iraqi Elections Were A Resounding Success

[cali]

Get ready for the deluge of headlines trumpeting this or some variation of it.

If the polling ends with only the attacks that have happened thus far, our puking media will laud bushco and the triumph of democracy without ever examining or questioning the elections. Let me hasten to add that I'm certainly not wishing for anymore loss of life, but I don't see how these elections can be seen as anything but a cynical sham. No independent monitoring, no real reporting, lack of Sunni participation, and the threat of violence, even if not fully actualized, render this election invalid.

[NoPasaran]

1. A resounding success

The latest resounding success in the parade of resounding successes that have all added up to unmitigated disaster.

[masjenkins]

3. ROBUST !! nt

[woodsprite]

16. No, isn't that supposed to be ARBUSTO ? n/t

[flordehinojos]

2. plus, i also think the fact that ELECTIONS IN IRAQ is more of GWB agenda

than it is the Iraqis own agenda ... that should also speak something about those darn bloody elections in Iraq.

[DistressedAmerican]

4. When they tell you how majority of Iraqis turned out Remember

that the Kurds and Shiites voted to get more power and the Sunnis refused to vote to loose power. There is no such thing as the average Iraqi! The Media and the general American public do not understand this culture at all! Regional autonomy would have been the way to go. This election will change nothing. The war continues.

[rodeodance]

5. 72% per Fox an CNN (have not heard from msnbc yet)

[DistressedAmerican]

7. So many Iraqis!

They must really love us! Maybe I was wrong about this war.

[LibertyorDeath]

42. 72% LOL man they lay the BS on thick why not if your gonna lie

Lie Big.

Complete BS

72% they got UN observers on the ground to verify this?

That's what I thought.

more Lies from the most Corrupt Administration in American History brought to you by the Bought & Payed for Whore Media.

[liberalitch]

6. Until Iraqi insurgents deliver a pillow case full of...

fingers dipped in ink to the nearest American commander

because that's what I would do if I were an insurgent leader

[Heyo]

25. Yeah, rock on!

Too bad you're not one.

Heyo

[liberalitch]

46. Although it's probably a good thing i have no REAL power...

think of all the suffering i would cause when I instituted same sex valentines day and legalize pot!

[fasttense]

8. The right wing media would of said it was a success no matter what.

Every voter in Iraq could have been killed and the media would have still said the vote was a success.

[cali]

12. Sorry, that's just silly

If hundreds of Iraqis had been killed, if dozens of U.S. military had been killed, if the turnout was under 50%, the press would have focused on that.

[Botany]

9. The sham election story grows .....

...... At 5:30 this morning MSNBC showed pictures that the whole thing is a joke.
Deserted towns, rockets hit the U.S. Embassy, empty polling stations, and many
attacks through out the country. I expect the media to declare the elections
perfect. Just like the one that happen here last November.

Wyoming 106% turn out of registered voters or the Iraqi voter turn out ......
both shams.

:nuke:

[LynnTheDem]

10. Yep only 9 suicide bombs in Baghdad so far.

And by the way, all the pics of "Happy Voting Iraqis" are from Kurdistan (other than the ones in the USA, most of whom have never set foot in Iraq).

The Kurds are happy. There's a surprise. Now how 'bout the other 85% of Iraq? Oh wait, they're being blown up right now. Success!

Cali I don't think US msm will get away with such headlines for more than a couple days; already the world media is reporting more along the lines of a "resounding failure". And of course the violance will continue as Iraqis fight their occupiers.

:eyes:

[cali]

14. I sure hope you're right, Lynn

but I don't have any faith that the US MSM will do anything but cheerlead.

[LynnTheDem]

18. Even Americans are going to very soon discover this election is NOT for

an Iraqi govt or leader. Even leftys on here keep saying "the winner will tell US to stay/go" etc.

They are not voting for any leader, so who's going to tell us to stay or go??!

this election is to pick a group of people to rewrite the Iraqi Constitution. Big fat hairy deal; not going to change a damn thing other than probably make the situ worse, and even bushCartel and the US state media won't be able to cover that up for long.

[tsuki]

24. Does embedded = payola?

[Tigress DEM]

43. I'm heartsick to live in a Propoganda Nation

OMG they are hailing Iraquis as the "power player of the week" for braving bullets to go vote.

I feel for the Iraquis, but the ones who need to vote and would face the bullets are the minority parties. Are they really the ones getting out to vote?

[rogerashton]

11. It doesn't have to be much of an election to be a success.

It might be smart to wait until the lies have been told and debunked to start critiquing the * admin on this one. If it is a good enough election to get American troops out, it is good enough.

On the other side, this admin will lie to overhype it, and expose themselves to critique for lying, even if -- objectively -- the election is a success inproviding a base to declare victory and get out.

[cali]

17. If you think that the result of this election

will be the withdrawal of US troops, I fear you're going to be sadly disappointed. We are building 14 permanent bases and a 1.5 BILLION dollar embassy. bushco clearly intends to make Iraq home to his policy to "remake" the mideast. It's funny how we don't talk about the bottom line very often anymore: It's oil. Always was, always will be.

[rogerashton]

30. Good point. But --

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/10767620.htm

conservatives are having second thoughts, and if Mr. Bush* wants to keep his franchise as spokesman for the ruling class, he may need to find an exit.

[amber dog democrat]

13. Its a nice situation for Shias and maybe Kurds.

I don't think it will play well with Sunnis who favor religious parties.
Any bets on when the civil war starts?

[ElectroPrincess]

21. Yes, but this administration has no shame in spewing propaganda

The AEI (American Enterprise Institute) Bush Administration mouthpiece and enabler just stated that he concurs that 72 percent of the eligible voters have been to the polls in Iraq today.

Is it me or does this sound like pure unadulterated propagandistic bullshit. 72 percent!?!

[tsuki]

26. Key word "Eligible."

[amber dog democrat]

50. I don't believe ANYTHING I hear from the Chimp enablers

much less his handlers or especially the chimp itsself.


Why stop at 72%.? Say 150% voted. Propaganda is propaganda.

Lets see them explain away what follows.

[rzemanfl]

15. Remember just a few short years ago when ANY deaths from a

suicide bombing were BIG BREAKING NEWS? Now they have an election where as many people were killed so far as would be in a moderate sized plane crash and it is billed as some sort of resounding success.

I also noticed that they are separating the people killed in mortar attacks from those killed in suicide bombings, as if this made the people less dead or they had a different quality of death experience.

Remember too, the people dancing and chanting and voting for Saddam with their own blood and the stores that sold nothing but Hussien's portraits. These folks aren't voting, they are trying to figure the course of conduct they should follow to minimize their chance of being killed or imprisoned, just as they have for years. Frankly, if someone pulled up in front of my house in a tank and told me I should go vote, I would give the idea serious consideration.

The fact that this charade is being done in the name of "democracy" makes me want to puke.

[sendero]

19. Once again..

... I'm going to give SOME credit to the American people.

The only "resounding success" that can come from this election is the promised (and backtracked on) reduction in "insurgent" activity.

If people keep dying at the same rate as before the election, the "success" bullshit will be a damn hard sell to the rank and file.

[rodeodance]

20. The 'insurgency" lost tday says the tube -several times

[sendero]

22. My point is this...

... call me a flaming optimist, but the media can declare victory all they want - people still hear the news.

If the death toll continues unabated (which unfortunately is what I think will happen) the whore news people simply undermine their own credibility every time they spin.

I know, we've been waiting a long time for people to figure this out, but I think the noise machine is in for a serious comeuppance in the coming year or two. I think there will be a point when Americans start realizing what we already know about the media.

Trust me, the average American really is skeptical of the media, they've been duped by happy talk but it won't last forever.

[DistressedAmerican]

27. Optimist! Optimist!

Horrible news has been flowing in for two years. It largely falls on deaf American ears. I suspect it will take tens of thousands of US deaths to wake this country up. No number of Iraqi deaths will impress Americans. Not that they are reported anyway. Look how we slept in the early days of Vietnam.

[sendero]

28. LOL...

... I'm really not much of an optimist :), but I don't believe in eternal doom either.

It's not the war that is going to directly change people's minds about this administration, it is the economy. And the long slow drip of casualties has already gotten a majority of Americans to conlcude the war "was not worth it".

People get a lot more interested in the truth when they are hungry.

[OneTwentyoNine]

35. I can just see those insurgents now with heads bowed,shrugging sholders...

Yeah right,wait till monday...you'll probably see shock and awe like has never been seen so far. Those guys will never quit until the last one dies. This trumped up election means nothing except getting a Bush loving puppet in power.

Permanent Air bases will soon be under full construction,our kids and grandkids will be talking about loved ones stationed in Iraq 50 YEARS from now. Bush has totally fucked this up like no other could.....

[RafterMan]

23. A Miserable Failure

Let's get ready for the deluge of DU headlines trumpeting this or some variation of it.

Let's face it. This election isn't magic beans and everybody knows it. That doesn't mean it can't be a good step. It's not the lack of Sunni particiapation, for instance, but what the winners choose to do about the lack of Sunni participation.

There's no reason to jump to conclusions either way before there's enough information to make a solid judgement.

[spanone]

29. Good, now let's get the fuck out!!!!!

Now, bring them home.

[OneTwentyoNine]

33. I agree,if RW TV and Radio wants to keep parroting this....

Then the Dems should pound on the fact that our work is done. We start withdrawing on Monday,totally gone in the next few weeks.

Get a spine you elected Dems and turn this around on Bush and his thugs.

[AngryAmish]

31. This is such bullshit

Polling places are packed...right
72%...right

Listen, the real Iraqi people stayed home today because of fear. Do not beleive the hype.

[noamnety]

32. question about the 72%

Is that 72% of registered voters? or of eligible voters?

[AngryAmish]

34. Who cares?

It's a made up number.

[sunnystarr]

39. The report I heard was of registered voters. (nt)

[cali]

36. Ìt's bad form to comment on post you haven't read

and it's clear from your comments that you either didn't read my post or didn't comprehend it, or you meant to direct your post to someone else. I think it's pretty clear that I don't believe the hype.

[AngryAmish]

38. Oh, it was not directed to you

It was more of a general comment. I think we are of one mind on this.

[Sparkly]

37. Even more, it's being pushed as a success for the CHIMP

You'd think the reason for the invasion was all about having an election -- excuse me, "spreading democracy" and "freedom" etc...

Could you imagine if they'd said from the start? "We have a plan to liberate Iraq! Our projections are that by January 2005, it'll only cost 1400 American soldiers' lives, many thousands of Iraqi's lives, $200 billion, and worldwide respect, but think of the election!!"

This, from the party who hates "nation-building?" It's amazing to see Republicans preaching humanitarianism just to prop up the Chimp's failures.

In fact, are the elections such a resounding success that the war is over? Are they such a resounding success that we should do this AGAIN in other countries? Then they're not such a resounding success.

You're completely right, this will be trumpeted not only this week, but already I'm hearing Repukes on the talk shows lauding the BushCo historical legacy over this. :puke:

Democrats have to say "it's good," because it IS good; but there's going to be no perspective whatsoever on whether this fiasco overall was good.

[Greybnk48]

40. 92% of American Iraqis did NOT vote per CNN

Odd how they say that 72% of Iraqis in Iraq voted, risking life and limb. But Iraqi ex-pats were a no-show by and large, at least in the U.S. Anyone know what the population of Iraq is among "eligible voters?" What sort of numbers are they claiming? Thousands? Millions? Has anyone seen any footage of LARGE crowds of voters? I haven't. Maybe this is why they set up 6000 polling places--to say that voting was so spread out that we will not see large crowds at any one place.

To me this is so sad. When I see some of the joyful faces on some of the voters shown on t.v. I think that that's how I felt last Nov. before I was enlightened about what "voting" now means--a corrupt show for the rest of the world.

[wizabef]

45. Pictures

[aebrain]

55. Photoshop Roolz

Look, anyone with Photoshop could have made these up. Or the queues could have been for water, or drugs for sick children, or even to pay to get the mutilated corpses back of the victims of the Abu Ghraib Death factory. Or they could all be CIA operatives in disguise. Victims of CIA Mind Control. Or marched in at Gunpoint. Republicans in Burquas.

LA-LA-LA We can't hear you!

[wizabef]

56. Actually

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you look at the source address, it comes from Yahoo! News, and they actually are of the Iraq elections.
:)

[aebrain]

58. You trust MSM?

I bet you think that a hijacked plane hit the Pentagon too.

Everything can be explained just by one simple fact : Bush is Evil Incarnate, the most Evil person that has ever existed, and anything to do with him is corrupt. Once you realise this, everything else falls into place. From the Stolen Election (come on, do you know *anybody* who voted for Bush?), the Fake "War on Terror", through to the Zionist Genocide against innocent Palestinians, all of the fake photos that are circulating, and of course, the CIA project that changes Internet caches and then uses the Mind Control Satellites so that we only remember what THEY want us to.

Everyone knows that Bush flew in a plastic turkey, yet now there are loads of faked pictures showing him serving real turkey to troops. As if! Everyone knows that Bush claimed Niger was supplying nuclear weapons to Saddam, yet look at the records now - the words have all been changed to what the NeoCons want them to say.

So who are you going to believe : the People's Voice as expressed in DU, or some NeoCon supposed "fact", as if "Objective Truth" had any meaning. Only the ignorant redneckas who haven't read the great works of Derrida could use such outmoded ways of thinking. ;-)

[Just Me]

41. .

[wizabef]

44. I have to admit..

I despise Bush, but he might actually be right this time. Look at all the Iraqis voting; we have to admit it's a good thing.

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[Blue_State_Elitist]

54. clink clink clink

Do I hear the chiseling of an epitaph?

[mvd]

47. I doubt the turnout was over 40%

Anyway, any election that we have a hand in is bound not to be a model for the world. Ours certainly aren't.

All those candidates/parties are there so that Allawi will win. How are the people supposed to know the others?

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[cali]

51. To Me

From Me. Ha! You hit the nail on the head. CNN is using precisely that phrase: Resounding Success. The MSM is nothing if not predictable

[wakemewhenitsover]

52. The only comfort we can take in this...

...is perhaps it will provide some solace for the bewildered and grieving families of American troops.

[robbedvoter]

53. W told the press it's a front page story:

WaPo interview:
The elections -- I am pleased that the elections are going forward. I recognize that there are a group of terrorists trying to stop the election process. I have been amazed by the spirit of the Iraqi people. There's a big front-page story; I'm sure you read that. Please don't tell me you haven't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12570-2005Jan15.html

[Beacho]

57. What 'election process'?

You mean this Potemkin Village exercise that changed nothing about who is the overlord of the Iraqi people?

This was a fraud and a sham. This was no better than that bullshit 'election' Saddam had awhile back.

[Sparkly]

59. MSNBC's guest just said those very words

Said it's such a great success, it's on to Iran. :puke: