Kerry Supports Dean For DNC Chair & There's No Thread On It?

[KittyWampus]

Apparently, Kerry said on MTP this morning that he supports Dean for DNC chair.

I missed MTP but read the threads on Kerry's appearance and SEVERAL posters say he mentioned his support for Dean as DNC Chair.

I find it odd that noone has started a thread on this very fact.

But someone DID start a thread entitled "Kerry is a Chickenshit".

[Catch22Dem]

1. You know how it is around here sometimes

Full of emotion and little else at times, ya know?

[KittyWampus]

2. Emotion Is Certainly ONE Word For What This Place Is Full Of

:D

[seito]

52. lol

I can't think of any other word...

[Cheswick2.0]

63. it's also full of snakes who haven't dated in a long time and are taking

it out on the rest of us.

[Kahuna]

Tee hee.

:evilgrin:

[Kahuna]

104. Tee hee.

:evilgrin:

[stray cat]

3. Thanks. I really like that endorsement!

Way to go Kerry. I heard his response to the elections in Iraq today and his answer was super. "this is the last chance for the president to get it right" and then he again laid out the other things that Bush has to do to have a chance of salvaging the Iraq situation.

[cali]

4. There's still a lot of displaced rage

at losing, and Kerry bears the brunt of it. Most unfortunate IMO. Was he a flawed candidate? Well sure, but all candidates have their flaws.

Glad to hear he's supporting Dean.

[xultar]

5. Well there's nothing to yell about or curse and be negative so they don't

care.

[Cheswick2.0]

18. you might want to check the facts

[CWebster]

6. Not specifically, he just didn't dis him

But then, Dean backed Kerry--why would Kerry demonstrate undue disapproval?

[Racenut20]

9. Kerry sang high praise of Dean's support for him in the General.

[blm]

7. HAH. I was going to post a thread on Kerry's support words for Dean, but

my husband just returned home from a seminar.

Thanks for starting one, cs.

I am not surprised at all by this. The two have been way closer in the past 9 months than many realize.

I don't see Kerry dissing any of the candidates, nor would I expect him to, but I believe his positive words for Dean were meaningful..

[KoKo]

82. His "postive words were meaningful" but it wasn't a specific endorsement.

[Zensea]

8. I don't have a TV

is that a good enough reason?
Thanks for the information.

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. I don't watch MTP , can't stand Media Whore Extraordinaries such as

Tim Russert. Hope that is a good enough reason. :shrug:

[w13rd0]

10. Kerry endorsed Dean for DNC chair?

That's GREAT. I'm dissappointed I haven't seen a thread on it.

[Cheswick2.0]

16. no he didnt endose Dean

this thread is just another excuse to attack Dean and Dean supporters.

[Sparkly]

11. Well, now there is!

:D He didn't specifically endorse Dean, but yes he did express support for him (as well as for all the candidates). Russert's questions were snarky (quoting something Kerry said during the primaries, and asking whether Dean was too liberal). Kerry responded that's he's not too liberal, that he was a good balanced-budget governor. He also explained that the DNC chair is not so much a "spokesman" for the party, but more someone to help the party become modernized.

[marcologico]

12. Yes he did. He PRAISED DEAN, THANKED DEAN, said DEAN WOULD MAKE A FINE

DNC chair, and was generally 100% nice to the undeserving schmuck. He also said any of the candidates would make a fine chair, so at least he hasn't lost his mind, thank God.

[Cheswick2.0]

15. no he didn't endorse Dean

but that fact doesn't suit your attack Dean story.

[marcologico]

17. I didn't say he did. Read my post. n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

20. I read you post...in response to CS saying Kerry supports Dean

you said he did. Not true.

[marcologico]

25. Absolutely false. n/t

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[marcologico]

30. Quote me saying Kerry endorsed Dean, or apologize. Thank you. n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

43. don't hold your breath.... BTW, how's the Stop Dean movement going?

[marcologico]

59. You can change the subject if you like, but you made a false allegation,

and an apology is in order.

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[Kahuna]

107. FCOL, you two. I leave the room for five minutes..

And all hell breaks loose!! }(

[CWebster]

21. Your post is flamebait

which seems to be your sole purpose.

[marcologico]

24. Who are you talking to? My posts are perfectly accurate and are NOT flame

bait.

[Cheswick2.0]

29. your post is flame bait

you are on a crusade against Dean. It is the only thing you post here. Why are you so focused on him? It's not as if you ever post support for any other candidate.

[marcologico]

32. You've misquoted me at least three times in this thread. An apology is in

order, thank you.

[Cheswick2.0]

45. Apologize to the stop Dean movement? nah

[marcologico]

49. That's quite all right, I wouldn't expect honesty OR courtesy. n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

53. honesty or courtesy you say? LOL

[marcologico]

38. You claim that I said Kerry endorsed Dean. That is false. I did not.

Under the circumstances, an apology would be appreciated.

[Cheswick2.0]

50. you did too

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[cali]

26. LOL, more sputtering outrage against dean

from you. Why am I not surprised. Undeserving schmuck? As Kerry said, Dean worked his heart out for Kerry. Why do you think he's undeserving? Enlighten us instead of simply ranting and tossing around insults.

[Cheswick2.0]

31. it's because the DLC doesn't like Dean I'll speculate

[FreedomAngel82]

44. I really like how everybody who was

a canidate and didn't make it past the primaries campagined and worked for Kerry/Edwards and showed their support. :) I really loved that. Especially at the DNC seeing them all on stage together. :D

[KittyWampus]

51. Undeserving Schmuck? That Is So Harsh.

:wtf:

[Cheswick2.0]

65. no one is fooled CS

[Tinoire]

78. All those pesky nuances when talking about the "undeserving shmuck"

LMAO!!

You've been burying your own argument in a truckload of pony shit. If your intent is to support Kerry, you might consider learning a little from him about weaving nuances all over the place so that you always have an exit hatch ;)

[LittleClarkie]

109. If he was truly an undeserving shmuck

Kerry wouldn't have said all those nice things in a sincere voice. He's not that good an actor.

Dean has his good points. And of course I love Kerry.

Please, as a Kerry supporter, could you tone down your anti-Dean campaign a touch.

I'd feel the same if someone were on an anti-Kerry crusade.

We need to work together here, and there is a good chance that Dean could very well be our DNC chair. Could you please make an attempt to play nice.

Kerry is at the least being gracious. I happen to believe he said what he meant about Dean and his ability to modernize the party. Can we also be equally as gracious, and give Dean a chance. Please.

[cal04]

13. Transcript

MR. RUSSERT: During the campaign you said that Howard Dean did not have the credibility or judgment to be president. Do you believe he has the credibility or judgment to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee?
SEN. KERRY: Sure, absolutely.
MR. RUSSERT: Do you support him?

SEN. KERRY: I think Howard Dean proved during this campaign that he was really a loyal and go-to person. He campaigned his heart out for me. He wanted us to win. And I'm very grateful to him for that--as did every other member who's running, incidentally--every other person running for the chairmanship. They worked hard. They're capable people and I think any one of them would be able to lead our party and be helpful. And, you know, we're not looking for a spokesperson in the chairmanship. I think if you talk to any of my colleagues or any people in the House or Senate or others, what we're looking for is somebody who's going to help the party modernize and do the things we need to do in order to be able to technically, organizationally, structurally be able to catch up to the Republicans. We're behind.

And I think that--you know, if you figure--I mean, Karl Rove really had six years to prepare for Election Day. We in many ways had only a few months, notwithstanding the outstanding work that Terry McAuliffe did, but Terry McAuliffe was struggling uphill. We didn't have a president, we didn't have a House, we didn't have a Senate. He did an amazing job of raising money, getting voter lists, putting the committee in the best position possible. But he'd be the first to tell you, we still have a distance to travel in order to catch up. And I think whoever is chosen as our new chairman, we're going to have a united Democratic Party that is working overtime to put those pieces in place.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/6886726/

[flpoljunkie]

36. Thanks. I think Rosenberg better fits JK's description of what Dems need.

JK: I think if you talk to any of my colleagues or any people in the House or Senate or others, what we're looking for is somebody who's going to help the party modernize and do the things we need to do in order to be able to technically, organizationally, structurally be able to catch up to the Republicans. We're behind.

I agree that Kerry did not endorse Dean as Chair of the DNC although he gave Dean much earned praise for his help in the campaign.

From Josh Marshall:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_01_23.php#004583

First, I think Simon is one of the relatively few people in the Democratic party today who combine two things: a) a deep and considered understanding of why we must and how we can rebuild the infrastructure of the Democratic party and -- and it's a huge 'and' -- b) the organizational abilities and skills to be part of making it happen.

This means everything from building up the decrepit state of state and local parties, to funding and nurturing think-tanks and activist organizations that are an essential part of a modern American party, to harnessing the roiling political energy emerging on the Internet, the whole bit.

[Cheswick2.0]

14. That is not what Kerry said. Why are you making up reasons to attack

people here?
Kerry said any of them would do a good job. Did he specifically say he endorsed Dean? I must have missed that.
You need a DU rest I think.

[marcologico]

19. Nobody said he "endorsed" Dean but you. Get your facts straight. n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

33. bullshit again.....lol

[cali]

22. OK, having read the transcript

it's clear that your thread is misleading. Perhaps this isn't your fault as you didn't watch MTP, but really you should be more careful about posting things that aren't true.

[kerrygoddess]

23. He said he supports... he did not say he endorsed

there is a difference

[marcologico]

28. Evidently facts don't count for much with the infomercial crowd. n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

39. lol, The last dying gasp of the DLC sure is amusing.

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[Cheswick2.0]

58. may I suggest that you aren't fooling anyone?

[marcologico]

69. I'm not trying to. That 's a game I leave to third string players. n/t

[Zensea]

75. Good thing to not be trying to fool anyone

Because if you were you'd be failing miserably.

[Zensea]

40. They count with me

Reading the original post and not having seen the show or read the transcript at the time, I got the definite impression that "supports" was being used in the sense of "endorses.'

Now that I have read the transcript I see this was not the sense Kerry used the word supports.

Like I just posted elsewhere on this, the original post was misleading, although it might have been unintentional.
However, it would not be too much of a stretch to think that it was intentional since the rest of the original post was carping.

[cali]

42. codswallop.

Let's put it to the test: Could a reasonable person, having read the original post, interpreted it to have meant that Kerry endorsed Dean? You bet. And the question posed by the OP as to why there wasn't a thread about Kerry's remarks, further cemented that impression. Why should there be a thread about Kerry having said nice things about Dean on MTP?

[Cheswick2.0]

48. particulary when he said nice things about all the candidates and supporte

all of them?
The answer is obvious.

[KittyWampus]

57. There'd Be A Damned Thread If Kerry Said "Not Nice Things About Dean"

and there WAS a thread called "Kerry is a Chickenshit".

[cali]

66. I have absolutely no use for threads attacking Kerry

I made that clear in my first post to this thread. Sorry, but your post was passive aggressive nonsense. Cleverer than an outright attack, but actually far nastier.

[Cheswick2.0]

67. the original post was bullshit

[Zensea]

34. True, but the original post is misleading, perhaps unintentionally

To quote --
"Apparently, Kerry said on MTP this morning that he supports Dean for DNC chair.

I missed MTP but read the threads on Kerry's appearance and SEVERAL posters say he mentioned his support for Dean as DNC Chair."

Without also adding that Kerry said he supports all the candidates for the chair, it makes it look like Kerry endorsed Dean.

[Cheswick2.0]

41. well of course, the purpose here is to attack Dean supporters

and portray us as ungrateful for Kerry's support......which is non existant.

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[marcologico]

64. Somebody does, obviously. Incidentally the OP wasn't quoting Kerry,

he was correctly characterizing what he said.

[Zensea]

70. But she left out that Kerry supported all the contenders

So she correctly characterized only a portion of what Kerry said and as a result made it appear that Kerry's statement might mean something different than it did.

edit to change the pronoun to she, didn't realize cryingshame is female.
Sorry.

[Cheswick2.0]

71. no she was intentionally misleading people about what Kerry said

[Cheswick2.0]

68. more bull from the stop Dean movement

[marcologico]

72. Which, to judge by the responses in this thread, has succeeded. n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

76. LOL, in your dreams

[w13rd0]

94. I get the serious impression...

...that you have more than a few things in common with a landfill. You certainly aren't constructive. I don't see any reason to continue to give you a platform to insult and mislead people.

[Cheswick2.0]

35. he said he supports them all

[Tom Rinaldo]

54. Seems like Kerry said he supports all of the candidates

Kerry did not single Dean out for praise other than the fact that he was asked a specific question about Dean and said positive things about Dean in return. If Kerry says he supports all of the candidates as good Democrats etc., than there is no "there" there to report on about his statement. Except to say that Kerry is not singling out Howard Dean or anyone else as somehow not being worthy of his support, if you consider that news.

Am I missing something?

[cali]

55. Actually, Kerrry did NOT say he supported Dean

Read the transcript please. The OP simply made that up. Despicable.

[LizW]

83. Correct. Kerry was asked directly and he dodged.

It was a nice, diplomatic dodge, but a dodge nonetheless.

[FreedomAngel82]

37. I am a little surprised personally

but it's cool with me. I like Dean myself. Will there be a repeat? Doesn't it come on again at 10pm est or is that another episode?

[flpoljunkie]

47. Cal04, post#13, has posted link to the transcript.

[Tom Rinaldo]

62. At the very least your thread title is misleading

Since a title is a summation of contents usually, this implies an endorsement. That is how I first read it before I opened up the thread. Further, Kerry said supportive things about the whole field. " Kerry non committal on DNC Chair, praises all" is a lot more accurate than your title was.

[Cheswick2.0]

74. and you know it was an intentional flame bait attack on Dean supporters

[Tom Rinaldo]

77. It appears that way to me

I didn't pick up on it instantly because I am not as tuned into the larger context as you are.

[marcologico]

79. I watched the show. The OP is entirely accurate. Nothing inflammatory

was said there, on the show, or in any post about it.

[Zensea]

81. I guess we have different definitions of inflammatory

quote --
"I find it odd that noone has started a thread on this very fact.

But someone DID start a thread entitled "Kerry is a Chickenshit".


Let's see... Connotations and caps. Might be considered inflammatory.

[KoKo]

80. No....he didn't say: "I support Dean for DNC Chair." He said he

thought he would be a fine candidate and that all the candidates were good. I'll have to get the transcript...but he was very careful and did NOT ENDORSE Dean. He didn't diss him though, so if that's what you mean then that's okay. But, your subject line is misleading. I listened to the whole interview. :shrug:

[marcologico]

84. Read post #64. OP was characterizing, NOT quoting, what Kerry said. n/t

[KittyWampus]

85. KoKo, I Just Read The Transcript Posted.... Up Thread...

[KoKo]

87. Yes...the transcript says what I remembered.

not an "endorsement." :shrug:

[KittyWampus]

112. I Asked Moderators To Lock This... It's Not Productive

[mdmc]

86. chickenshit fears Dean

[mdmc]

88. this is the most leadership we have got out of Kerry in a while

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[Sopianae]

92. What was that about????

Is there no subject to be talked about without you finding an opportunity to bash Clark? How sad...

[Cheswick2.0]

93. I am looking for a positive in this flame bait thread

The positive is that we don't have to worry about Kerry backing the War on Terror profiteer for DNC chair because thankfully he isn't running.

[Tom Rinaldo]

97. So you look for a positive by injecting a negative

Let me say this simply and slowly. Clark is not running for DNC Chair. That means: You don't need to say bad things about Clark here.

You can also point out that Clark was not on Meet The Press today as a "positive" or that Clark didn't give a speech in your home town today. I suppose that is another positive you could point out since you seem obsessed with taking every opportunity you can to say something negative about Clark, even where it is totally out of context.

This is a thread that you complained was a slam against Dean supporters. I agreed with you, as a matter of fact. And now out of the blue you make an unsolicited direct slam at Clark and call that "a positive in this flame bait thread"? You are a person who complained that Clark supporters have been dominating the board trying to divert attention from Dean, yet you inject Clark into every thread about Dean. That really helps.

Most Clark supporters I know were supportive about Dean becoming DNC Chair, at least until a week or so ago. Most of the others saw Dean as better than most of the contenders though maybe not the best choice. I will give you credit for this, the constant slam Clark attitude that you are showing is starting to succeed in souring some Clark supporters toward Dean for DNC Chair. Mostly though it is a distraction that got in the way of us doing more to help Dean win the position. It is hard to get up the enthusiasm to call State committee people on behalf of Dean when people like you keep going out of your way to attack Clark. It could have been very different. I know some Clarkies who were very active in promoting Dean for DNC Chair but they've cut back lately because they personally had to fend off attacks both on themselves and on Clark from Dean supporters. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. It strikes me as madness.

[Sopianae]

98. You don't do Dean or his supporters any favors.

Calling Clark a WoT profiteer is not any better than calling Dean an undeserving schmuck. Attacking some else in return is equivalent to the morality of a four year old.

[ClarkUSA]

95. FLAMEBAIT by the #1 Clarkhating Basher on DU

Why did you just try to hijack this thread onto your pet topic, which is bashing Clark at every opportunity?

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[ClarkUSA]

99. You are disrupting this thread with your trademark Clarkhating bashing

Message Rules:

"Stay on topic. Don't jump into an unrelated discussion and introduce a barely-relevant tangent in order to bring up your pet issue."

You are the first to accuse others of "attacking Dean supporters" but you have no shame in attacking me or others.

[LittleClarkie]

102. I thought he only bashed Kerry. Good to see his bash is branching out

But let me just say...

THE PRIMARY WARS OF 2003 ARE OVER NOW. CAN WE PLEASE GET PAST THEM.

[Sopianae]

101. I don't think the OP is any worse than what you usually do.

You called Clark Weasly Clark just a few days ago. It's hard to sink any lower than that. So maybe you should start with your own plank. You certainly do not have any rights to complain.

[Tom Rinaldo]

105. I have seen not one shred of "policing" out of you

Not a hint of it. I have seen not the slightest acknowledgment that some Dean supporters have contributed to tensions at DU through their negative smears toward other Democrats, in particular Clark. When a frequent poster Dean supporter equated Wesley Clark to Zell Miller, what did you have to say about that? Zell Miller endorsed George W. Bush and spoke to the Republican Convention. Wesley Clark endorsed John Kerry, spoke to the Democratic Convention, and cries crossed the nation supporting Kerry. Yet not a peep out of you about that slam or so many others. You are so sensitive to others distorting Howard Dean's record, yet you boldly call Clark a Republican. Do you have any core belief about means and ends? If someone shouted a name at your kid sister would you go shout a name at their kid sister to retaliate? Are there any lies that you won't repeat even if they can be used to hurt a perceived opponent who you think did you or your candidate wrong? What is it that you are standing FOR when you attack a Democrat in a thread where that Democrat is not in any way involved?

[Sparkly]

106. Huh? Is this a non-sequitor contest?

Kerry gave praise to Dean among others, so let's bash Clark?!

"Stay on topic. Don't jump into an unrelated discussion and introduce a barely-relevant tangent in order to bring up your pet issue."

What's the point of riling up more flame-fests?!

[WI_DEM]

90. While Kerry's words for Dean are appreciative it is not an endorsement

It is interesting that you start a thread indicating it is, especially since you admit you didn't even watch the show. Yet you constantly attack others on this board for attributing quotes to Kerry "taken out of context" and yet you are doing the same. Probably no "Kerry Supports Dean for DNC Chair" was begun because he didn't endorse him. I have to agree with others who say that you started this thread as an attack on Dean supporters for not being grateful enough of Kerry's words. Believe me if Kerry did really outright endorse Dean he would have my appreciation and I would happily post a thread or contribute to a thread about it. Once in a while his stepson Chris Heinz stops by and last he posted he indicated Kerry wasn't getting involved in the DNC race.

[dsc]

91. That really is highly misleading

First, he didn't say that and only offered any comment to a question specificly about Dean (ie he wasn't asked who would make a great chair and said Dean). He didn't use the word support. And your use of it here is very close to endorse which clearly didn't happen. BTW I didn't see the show and your thread was posted before I got home in anycase.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

103. WTF, the title is very misleading

cryingshame, makes it sound like it's an ENDORSEMENT...you forgot to mention that he supports other candidates too for the DNC chair. maybe you should revise your title hmmm... unless this is flamebait...

[KittyWampus]

111. I Alerted The Moderators Asking To Lock This Thread

it isn't productive.

[salin]

108. primary bashing that extends to supporters of candidates

one year later, appears to be still alive and kicking all over this thread.

The encouraging thing is that a whole lot of folks no longer engage in this behavior - and there are a whole lot of former supporters of each candidate working together (supportively) on a slew of issues and efforts rather than concentrating their energy on the eternal internal bashing.

[LittleClarkie]

110. That's what I'm trying to do. Kerry and Dean as well

it looks like. I've seen pictures where it looks like the two of them rather like each other. I do wish their supporters could bring it together.

Kerry didn't endorse Dean. But he was supportive of his candidacy and spoke well of it. I was encouraged.

[janx]

113. Trying, anyway...

I don't understand the hostility on the part of some to bring up all of that primary hatred. The primaries have been over for a long time.

Dean's running for DNC chair--not for president, and not against the heroes of anyone here--and still, the insults continue...

[bklyncowgirl]

114. As a probable presidential candidate Kerry should remain neutral.

Wouldn't it be bad form (or rather stupid) for Kerry to endorse a DNC candidate? He and Hillary and anyone else who's planning to run should remain neutral if only for self preservation in case the guy they did not endorse gets in.

Kerry was being diplomatic and under the circumstances that was appropriate.

[Moderator]

115. Locking.

This thread has become a flamewar.