John Forbes-Kerry - BCCI, Skull & Bones, and the Iran Contra Coverup

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

John Kerry remains the big dog in the race. A decorated Vietnam War hero, the four-term Massachusetts Senator is a member of both the CFR (http://www.cfr.org/) and the secret Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale that also claims Bush I and Bush II as members.

I have a long history with Kerry. Back in 1986, 1987, and 1988, I was in contact with his office and his chief of staff Jonathan Winer on a number of occasions about CIA drug trafficking. They eagerly asked for any material I could send them and gave me a direct line. It was one of my most bitter lessons about how hot issues are controlled. Kerry, in charge of the potentially explosive Iran-Contra drug hearings succeeded in producing a 1,200-page record that was a treasure trove of information for researchers, but absolutely useless in unraveling a corruption that controls the US government to this day. What lies buried in those pages was enough to have turned the American political system inside out. In the end, its greatest usefulness was as a benchmark against which to compare the CIA's investigation of itself after the 1996 Dark Alliance stories and hard revelations of CIA connections to cocaine smuggling that Kerry knew all about anyway. Those of us close to the issue took the lemons Kerry had left us and made lemonade, as we forced the CIA Inspector General to reconcile his 1998 report with what we already knew was in Kerry's.

And still - as intended - nothing changed. John Kerry had successfully contained what was, up to that time, the biggest scandal in American history.

Wealthy in his own right, Kerry's fortune has been reinforced by the wealth of his wife (heir to the Heinz food fortune), estimated by the Associated Press at $550 million. This is old money and deeply rooted in establishment politics.

...

A key sign that Kerry might be the anointed one came for me when George W. Bush's chief counter-terrorism adviser Rand Beers resigned in a dramatic moment last June, in protest over Bush's handling of the war on terror and his headlong rush into Iraq. Beers immediately became Kerry's senior foreign policy advisor, as Kerry continued to state that he would improve on and expand the war on terror. Beers' protestations concealed what I considered to be a much more sinister objective, the placement of a key, hands-on operative to manage a smooth transition of power and a continuation of secret policy. Beers, who had served in national security roles for three Republican administrations, was the man who had replaced Lt. Col. Oliver North after North was fired in 1987 during the Iran-Contra scandal.

[SpiralHawk]

1. Eeeeek ! It's all too much

for me.

Octopus tentacles every which frikkin way. Eeeeek! I go crazy.

Could I please have a reference point of honorable stability somewhere in the universe?

I would come in really handy now.

Ophimoimoi, where are you? Come, we go tramping in the Jemez mountains, make campfire in the snow and listen to bird calls echo through the forest. We find the hot springs and soak in the steaming waters and solve the world's philosophical and moral riddles while snow flakes fill the air.

[Monte Carlo]

2. Paging seventhson...

... I think we have a thread for you.

I have yet to see anything substantial about Skull n' Bones, just a lot of interpetation and superstition.

[blm]

3. Now for some truth. Bush Sr. had info classified as National Security

secrets and Kerry tried to get them declassified. Bush succeeded because FEW Democrats supported Kerry on this.

The Senate Dem leaders even kept Kerry off the final panels because they said he was TOO HOT in his pursuit.

IranContra was turned over to an Independent Counsel. You want to blame Kerry for THAT? Kerry was supposed to TRY the case, too?

When the Senate panels were dropping the investigations, Kerry took info to the NY attorney and had him file charges to pursue the case further.

Blaming Kerry is absurd and there is no basis in logic for the accusation.

If there was, Robert Parry would have noted so years ago. Parry knows the case better than anyone. If any of you want to challenge Parry, do so, and let us know what he says.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. also, it was Massachusetts congressman Ed Boland's amendment

(aka the Boland amendment) written to stop all the nonsense Reagan was trying to get away with.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

8. Has Kerry said anything in 10 years?

You see, if Kerry was mentioning this on the campaign trail, I might believe you. The fact that he hasn't breathed ONE WORD in 10 somethings years says a lot don't you think? Did Kerry say anything after the 2000 "election" by this same group of people he supposedly "exposed"?

Kerry needs to put up or shut up.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

15. not that I know of, WCTV

If in fact Kerry wanted to do something about this, and if in fact his fellow Democrats pressured him to be quiet, he certainly hasn't shown ANY leadership on this issue in the last ten years.

You'd figure, if he really fought hard on this one, now that the Bushes are back in power, no Dem would try to stop him from going public.

Maybe Kerry is just a coward?

[blm]

16. Wrong. Kerry refers to it to keep it heard.

He wrote the book The New War based on the terror funding discovered. He brought it up again one month after 9-11, because he understood the links.

The BCCI trial in England just started last week with the next one scheduled for June.

I imagine he'll use it when the time is right. Obviously he has better timing for the takedown than many give him credit. He sure played his strategy close to the vest in Iowa, didn't he?

When he reaches his opponent in Bush one on one...well...he's readier than most.

Do you want him to get off the campaign trail and buy time on TV to explain it to people for a couple hours now, or do you want him to hit Bush with it when the country is listening and comparing the two men before the election?

Hell, Kerry can use shit to hold over Bush's head for awhile...just in case.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

17. Kerry won't get my vote

if he thinks he's going to wait for the "opportune moment" - 8 years of Clinton and not a word? Wouldn't that havce been the time to start the prosecutions? Unless he never meant to?

"Do you want him to get off the campaign trail and buy time on TV to explain it to people for a couple hours now, or do you want him to hit Bush with it when the country is listening and comparing the two men before the election?"

HA HA HA - how gullible do you think we are? I'd bet anyone $20 Kerry won't breathe a word.

[blm]

19. Oh, so the book he wrote in 1997

that alerted on international terrorism and its funding by governments just didn't stir you?

Too bad. If more people had read it maybe 9-11 wouldn't have happened.

If you can't see any good in him and his work, then don't vote for him.

[sangha]

20. blm, you must not understand the code

To some "writing a book about it" means "not saying anything until an opportune moment"

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

22. okay, fine, Kerry is an ineffective failure

With all that evidence, the stature of the US Senate and his "storied" history, Kerry couldn't get around to doing anything about all this, but he did have time to vote for invading Iraq and the PATRIOT Act? He wrote a book, no one read it, never mind, move on?

If Kerry can't do anything, or won't do anything, or if he's just too weak, then why are we wasting our time with him?

[blm]

24. Get real. How do YOU know about IranContra? Because of KERRY.

How do we know ANYTHING about the BFEE? Because of KERRY.

Whose investigations were given to an Independent Counsel for prosecution? KERRY'S.

You would have to defy all logic to think otherwise.

[bigtree]

25. Kerry Commission

[AntiCoup2K4]

26. And if Kerry had truly exposed the Bush Criminal Empire...

9-11 would have never happenned because the fucking sons of bitches who set it up would be in prison right now instead of the White House. But Kerry can't do that, because he can't rat out a fellow Bonesman.

[redqueen]

18. I hope you're right

But, will he release this info even if he's not the nominee?

Our country is in grave peril (BBV, PATRIOT, etc.)... he needs to hurry up and help us out here!

[jpgray]

4. Let's take this downright *goofy* article point by point.

Kerry doesn't have much of a personal fortune. The $500+ million belongs to his wife.

Blaming Iran/Contra and BCCI on Kerry is pretty crazy. He was taken off the Iran/Contra investigation by fellow Democrats after doing a lot of the grunt work and being upbraided by colleagues on both sides of the aisle for *not* hushing it up.

On BCCI, he sent his information out to DA offices in NY to keep the investigation moving when the DoJ stonewalled. His prosecution of bastards like Abrams (currently in Bush's admin) helped lead directly to their conviction. They were paroled and given a pass by the media these days, but this is KERRY's fault!?

Skull and Bones is more or less like any other secret society in the Ivy League, except this one has exhaustive books published on it detailing everything from the decor of the "secret" chamber to Bush Sr.'s sex life, as related in "secret" meetings. Secret it ain't, and unique it isn't.

Beers is a guy who resigned from the Bush admin utterly disgusted with their efforts to keep the nation secure. Watch his highly critical drubbing of Bush on Nightline, and tell me how much like Ollie North this guy is.

In other words, plenty of distortions here, and hardly anything to back them up. Deliberately sidestepping basic facts like who wears the financial pants in the Kerry family (his wife) is an example of this article's deliberate ignorance.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. "sidestepping basic facts like who wears the financial pants"

The article stated that specifically, didn't it?

[jpgray]

9. Compared to Teresa, Kerry was small potatoes

The article doesn't state that specifically.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

10. Is this statement incorrect or even slightly inaccurate?

"Wealthy in his own right, Kerry's fortune has been reinforced by the wealth of his wife (heir to the Heinz food fortune), estimated by the Associated Press at $550 million. This is old money and deeply rooted in establishment politics."

[jpgray]

11. No, and I didn't dispute it. Read my post again.

If you tell me where you are confused, maybe I can help you?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

12. the only thing I am confused about

is why Kerry fans on DU keep telling us that one of these days, when the time is right, Kerry's going to expose the Bush clan. I'm confused because Kerry himself hasn't said a word...

Oh I get it, first we elect him, and then he'll start leading. "Trust me" - yeah, where have I heard that before?

[jpgray]

13. I won't tell you that one. :-) If he had it, the time is now, no?

But I do have a problem with an article that doesn't jibe with what I've read about the matters discussed. Sorry if what I meant on the Heinz fortune wasn't clear.

[sangha]

21. Who said that?

Making assertions about other DUers without anything to back it up is against the rules.

I haven't seen any Kerry supporter say Kerry is going to expose the Bush* clan. What has been said is that people should like at Kerry's record, particularly what he did in those investigations, as part of their inquiry into Kerry. After seeing what he's done, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what he might do.

[bloom]

5. I was watching

the JFK movie on Monday night....


How nice it would be to get someone in there who wasn't part and parcel of the whole military industrial complex.

This isn't encouraging. Esp. the Beers angle.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. It's not just the Beers angle

What about Will Marshall, a full fledged fascist-manifesto-signing member of PNAC??

[redqueen]

14. "Nothing ever happens in politics by accident

If it happens, it was planned that way" - FDR

"Politics is a means of preventing people from taking part in what properly concerns them." Paul Valery (1871-1945)

"The planet is being controlled, to an alarming extent, by elites, or, as I call them, cartels. There are many cartels, but 7 are the most powerful. They evolve, they learn from one another, they both compete and cooperate. Unfortunately, the trend is more towards cooperation. These 7 cartels represent the following areas: GOVERNMENT, MILITARY, INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY, MONEY, MEDIA, AND MEDICAL.....I came to this map of cartels through my own research on the medical monopoly. That's where it started, in 1986. .. Once you understand these cartel elites, you can begin to separate out information into loose layers of importance, as in, which layer of the control game are we talking about? Because it's all about layers. And at most layers, the players are forwarding agendas which they do not realize fit into higher and more destructive agendas." --Jon Rappoport

"The constitution has broken down. We have no enemies except the ones we select and direct towards the nearest nuclear bombs. They need an enemy to provoke, a diversion. This is the mentality of tenth-rate people who are in politics because corporate America likes them. They are malleable. They give them contracts to build missile shields that will never work. It's deeply corrupt." -- Gore Vidal (Observer magazine 12 Aug 2001)

"It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea."--Robert Anton Wilson

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. " ---Noam Chomsky

"Politicians are the same all over: they promise to build a bridge even where there is no river."-- Nikita Khrushchev (1960)

[Valjean]

23. Tin Hat site

After browsing around this website, I find that it is the equivalent of Coast to Coast radio for the web. There are grains of knowledge there, but this guys filter for Bullshit seems pretty low.

As always, I kinda like tinhatters though. They dredge up stuff that no one else will touch. Paranoia can fuel some pretty good research.

The stuff that kinda gets me is all the references to "frying the planet". He talks about this as if we are in imminent danger of raising global temperature by 10 degrees in say, the next 20 years.

Look through the articles and you'll see a low level of consistency. Lots and lots of theories and no effort to reconcile them.