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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:56 PM
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Quiz Time
Test your Knowledge! Easy and Fun!

Directions: Pretty simple. Fill in the name of the person who said it. Choices: "D" (Howard Dean) or "K" (John Kerry). Answers with sources in about an hour.


1. ____ "We cannot be deterred by letting America be held hostage by energy from the Middle East. If I am President, we will embark on a historic effort to create alternative fuels and the vehicles of the future – to make this country energy independent of Mideast oil within ten years."


2. ____ "I think in some ways, unfortunately, the terrorists have already won."


3. ____ "I will expand our armed forces' capacity to meet the toughest challenges -- like defeating terrorism, countering weapons of mass destruction, and securing peace -- with robust special forces, improved military intelligence, and forces that are as ready and able to strengthen the peace as they are to succeed in combat."


4. ____ "During the past dozen years, I have supported U.S. military action to roll back Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, to halt ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, to stop Milosevic's campaign of terror in Kosovo, to oust the Taliban and al Qaeda from control in Afghanistan. As President, I will never hesitate to deploy our armed forces to defend our country and its allies, and to protect our national interests. And, as President, I will renew America's commitment to the men and women who proudly serve our nation."


5. ____ "I think there has been an exaggeration," ___ said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way." ___ said he would engage other nations in a more cooperative fashion to quell terrorism. "This administration's arrogant and ideological policy is taking America down a more dangerous path. . . . I will make America safer than they are."


6. ____ "We need a global fund to combat weapons of mass destruction -- not just in the former Soviet Union but around the world -- that is much larger than current expenditures. Our administration will ask Congress to triple U.S. contributions over 10 years, to $30 billion. . . . We urgently need to strengthen these programs in order to defend America."


7. ____ "The capture of Saddam Hussein is good news for the Iraqi people and the world. Saddam was a brutal dictator who should be brought swiftly to justice for his crimes. His capture is a testament to the skill and courage of U.S. forces and intelligence personnel. They have risked their lives. Some of their comrades have given their lives. All Americans should be grateful. I thank these outstanding men and women for their service and sacrifice."


8. ____ "You've about 500 troops here, 500 troops there and it's American troops that are 90 percent of the combat casualties and it's American taxpayers that are paying 90 percent of the cost of the war," he said. "It's the wrong war, in the wrong place at the wrong time."


9. ____ "I do not fault George Bush for doing too much in the War on Terror; I believe he’s done too little. Where he’s acted, his doctrine of unilateral preemption has driven away our allies and cost us the support of other nations. Iraq is in disarray, with American troops still bogged down in a deadly guerrilla war with no exit in sight. In Afghanistan, the area outside Kabul is sliding back into the hands of a resurgent Taliban and emboldened warlords."


10. ____ "I think there has been an exaggeration," ___ said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way." ___ said he would engage other nations in a more cooperative fashion to quell terrorism. "This administration's arrogant and ideological policy is taking America down a more dangerous path. . . . I will make America safer than they are."


Extra Credit:


11. ___ "George Bush has no comprehensive strategy for victory in the War on Terror – only an ad hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am Commander-in-Chief, I would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it. We cannot win the War on Terror through military power alone. If I am President, I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security, our people, and our vital interests. But the fight requires us to use every tool at our disposal. Not only a strong military – but renewed alliances, vigorous law enforcement, reliable intelligence, and unremitting effort to shut down the flow of terrorist funds."
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:04 PM
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1. Is this your way of proving our Dem candidate
actually said something unflattering about his frat brother? If so, you really didn't have to go to such lengths, we all followed the campaign and know full well that Kerry did such things. Sadly he didn't do them enough and he certainly didn't slam back at attacks on him quickly enough or effectively. I mean, if Timmy-the-whore was still yammering on about the swift boat liars today, what does that tell you?

As to why Dean is included in this post, we can only surmise it's to try to bolster Kerry and demean Dean. I am sure there are a few bots who will grant you hero status for your effort but some of us with loftier goals than being champs of obscure DBs will see this for the counter-productive thing that it is.

Julie--wondering where they are all coming from
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:06 PM
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2. Hey, the Deaniacs are the ones who asked for the quiz.
I posted a thread yesterday and they all piled on. So that's why it's here.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:17 PM
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6. You called us all names and we asked you to back it up
that isn't piling on.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:06 PM
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14. Link please.
Where did Deanies ask you to post such a silly thing?

Julie
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:10 PM
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16. I had
He had posted a thread asking if Dean people knew what a policy was and stating that we didn't know what we were talking about. I then challenged him by asking for a quiz.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:44 PM
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17. Here's the link
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:08 PM
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3. who cares whom said what?
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 02:09 PM by mdmc
Kerry knows that Dean should be DNC Chair.
Kerry can go rule Boston...
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:08 PM
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4. Sorry just got back from lunch
we had dismal service. Next reply will be my answers.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:14 PM
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5. Here are my answers
First 5 and 10 are the same. If this is a trick that isn't fair but if not Kerry for both.

4 is Dean

1 is Kerry

2 is Dean but that is quite out of context I think he was discussing the Patriot Act at the time.

3 was Kerry

6 was Kerry

8 was Kerry

7 Kerry and 9 Dean

11 Kerry but I honestly don't know for sure
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:18 PM
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7. No intentional tricks so if there's a dupe, sorry! n/t
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:24 PM
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8. no intentional tricks...........LOL
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:59 PM
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9. Answers:
Answers:


1. __K__ "We cannot be deterred by letting America be held hostage by energy from the Middle East. If I am President, we will embark on a historic effort to create alternative fuels and the vehicles of the future – to make this country energy independent of Mideast oil within ten years."

Source: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0227.html


2. __D__ "I think in some ways, unfortunately, the terrorists have already won."

Source: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040129-115023-8966r.htm


3. __D__ "I will expand our armed forces' capacity to meet the toughest challenges -- like defeating terrorism, countering weapons of mass destruction, and securing peace -- with robust special forces, improved military intelligence, and forces that are as ready and able to strengthen the peace as they are to succeed in combat."

Source: http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002698.html


4. __D__ "During the past dozen years, I have supported U.S. military action to roll back Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, to halt ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, to stop Milosevic's campaign of terror in Kosovo, to oust the Taliban and al Qaeda from control in Afghanistan. As President, I will never hesitate to deploy our armed forces to defend our country and its allies, and to protect our national interests. And, as President, I will renew America's commitment to the men and women who proudly serve our nation."

Source: http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002698.html


5. __K__ "I think there has been an exaggeration," ___ said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way." ___ said he would engage other nations in a more cooperative fashion to quell terrorism. "This administration's arrogant and ideological policy is taking America down a more dangerous path. . . . I will make America safer than they are."

Source: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040129-115023-8966r.htm


6. __D__ "We need a global fund to combat weapons of mass destruction -- not just in the former Soviet Union but around the world -- that is much larger than current expenditures. Our administration will ask Congress to triple U.S. contributions over 10 years, to $30 billion. . . . We urgently need to strengthen these programs in order to defend America."

Source: http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002698.html


7. __D__ "The capture of Saddam Hussein is good news for the Iraqi people and the world. Saddam was a brutal dictator who should be brought swiftly to justice for his crimes. His capture is a testament to the skill and courage of U.S. forces and intelligence personnel. They have risked their lives. Some of their comrades have given their lives. All Americans should be grateful. I thank these outstanding men and women for their service and sacrifice."

Source: http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002698.html


8. __K__ "You've about 500 troops here, 500 troops there and it's American troops that are 90 percent of the combat casualties and it's American taxpayers that are paying 90 percent of the cost of the war," he said. "It's the wrong war, in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Source: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/090804Z.shtml


9. __K__ "I do not fault George Bush for doing too much in the War on Terror; I believe he’s done too little. Where he’s acted, his doctrine of unilateral preemption has driven away our allies and cost us the support of other nations. Iraq is in disarray, with American troops still bogged down in a deadly guerrilla war with no exit in sight. In Afghanistan, the area outside Kabul is sliding back into the hands of a resurgent Taliban and emboldened warlords."

Source: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0227.html


10. __K__ "I think there has been an exaggeration," ___ said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way." ___ said he would engage other nations in a more cooperative fashion to quell terrorism. "This administration's arrogant and ideological policy is taking America down a more dangerous path. . . . I will make America safer than they are."

Source: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040129-115023-8966r.htm


Extra Credit:

11. __K__ "George Bush has no comprehensive strategy for victory in the War on Terror – only an ad hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am Commander-in-Chief, I would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it. We cannot win the War on Terror through military power alone. If I am President, I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security, our people, and our vital interests. But the fight requires us to use every tool at our disposal. Not only a strong military – but renewed alliances, vigorous law enforcement, reliable intelligence, and unremitting effort to shut down the flow of terrorist funds."

Source: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0227.html
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:15 PM
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10. sorry I actually got 8 of 11
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:20 PM by dsc
Since that is under 80% I will donate to the politician of your choice.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:27 PM
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11. On further review
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:33 PM by dsc
I take issue with quote 6. Looking at your own source you mangled it badly enough that I think it was unfair. One element I used to judge was the style of the speaker. I think your cuts negated an ability to use that style. You also didn't clearly label that you had left out parts of the quote. I know know that is what the hyphens meant but we usually use elipses.

On edit I still will send the donation but do need to be told where.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:43 PM
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12. Here's what shows on my screen. I replaced the question mark with a dash
and used a four-dot ellipsis to show a single omission (non-bolded):


We need a global fund to combat weapons of mass destruction � not just in the former Soviet Union but around the world -- that is much larger than current expenditures.

Our administration will ask Congress to triple U.S. contributions over 10 years, to $30 billion
, and we will challenge our friends and allies to match our contributions, for a total of $60 billion. For too long, we have been penny-wise and pound-foolish when it comes to addressing the weapons proliferation threat. We urgently need to strengthen these programs in order to defend America.


p.s. you get a gold star :D
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:49 PM
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13. p.s. I don't remember anything about a donation, but how about
just signing Kerry's latest petitions (the ones to remove Rumsfeld and the one for Kids First)?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:07 PM
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15. sounds fair.
I will find them.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:44 PM
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18. I'll post them here as soon as I find them n/t
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:14 PM
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19. Okay here are the links:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:22 PM
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21. done
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:30 PM
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24. thanks!
You get another gold star! :D
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:20 PM
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20. And it will get you on the mailing list
Which is the point of the petition anyway, to collect email addresses. I don't mind, but I wish all of them would be upfront about it.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:28 PM
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22. Sure, but there's also a BIG political payoff: on "Meet the Press" today
Kerry mentioned BOTH petitions and the number of signatures on each of them so far (800,000 for Rumsfeld, 400,000 for Kids First), and it's a legitimate measure of support, so it's not for nothing.

Also, I have yet to receive a fundraising e-mail of the (ahem) type from Kerry since the campaign ended so you don't have to worry about that.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:29 PM
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23. MORE fighting within our ranks?
Why? What is the point other than some sort of macho posturing about what could have been?

In the name of humanity put this behind you and direct your precious energy and obvious intellect toward how to end the current regime before permanent damage is done to our way of life!

It didn't matter who ran against Bush... the outcome was in the hands of the press.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:39 PM
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25. Whoa, down boy, it's just a quiz. . .
Anyway the point (if there is one) is that Dean and Kerry had virtually identical positions on Iraq, although you wouldn't know it from the blogosphere.
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