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Dez Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:29 PM
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Scary sh*t! Important to read!
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:36 PM
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1. I have a chat-buddy from Iran.
I'm think about this every time I chat with him.

I'm probably on some list since I chat with an Iranian AND I'm an anti-war protester.

Oh, and posting on DU doesn't help much either.

I wonder if I should just tattoo a number on my arm to save the conservatives the time.
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Dez Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:48 PM
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2. Will this sh*t continue after * is gone?
I wonder, if this system will be in place if a Democrat wins, if that's even still possible, since the BBV is in place now, perhaps we've already seen our last Dem elected.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:49 PM
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3. Oh, for God's sake
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 04:52 PM by Eloriel
Have a little consideration for people who don't have all fucking day to open links JUST to see what they're about, will ya? It's bad enough your subject title is as obscure as shit.

This is probably a decent and important article, but you undermine it by treating it so poorly. For those who are similarly pressed for time, here's a clue:


Bringing It All Back Home: The Emergence of the Homeland Security State
by Nick Turse

Part I: The Military Half

If you're reading this on the Internet, the FBI may be spying on you at this very moment.

Under provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the Department of Justice has been collecting e-mail and IP (a computer's unique numeric identifier) addresses, without a warrant, using trap-and-trace surveillance devices ("pen-traps"). Now, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Justice's principle investigative arm, may be monitoring the web-surfacing habits of Internet users -- also without a search warrant -- that is, spying on you with no probable cause whatsoever.

In the wake of September 11, 2001, with the announcement of a potentially never-ending "war on terror" and in the name of "national security," the Bush administration embarked on a global campaign that left in its wake two war-ravaged states (with up to one hundred thousand civilian dead in just one of them); an offshore "archipelago of injustice" replete with "ghost jails" and a seemingly endless series of cases of torture, abuse, and the cold-blooded murder of prisoners. That was abroad. In the U.S.A., too, things have changed as America became "the Homeland" and an already powerful and bloated national security state developed a civilian corollary fed by fear-mongering, partisan politics, and an insatiable desire for governmental power, turf, and budget.

A host of disturbing and mutually-reinforcing patterns have emerged in the resulting new Homeland Security State -- among them: a virtually unopposed increase in the intrusion of military, intelligence, and "security" agencies into the civilian sector of American society; federal abridgment of basic rights; denials of civil liberties on flimsy or previously illegal premises; warrant-less sneak-and-peak searches; the wholesale undermining of privacy safeguards (including government access to library circulation records, bank records, and records of internet activity); the greater empowerment of secret intelligence courts (like the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court) that threaten civil liberties; and heavy-handed federal and local law enforcement tactics designed to chill, squelch, or silence dissent.

While it's true that most Americans have yet to feel the brunt of such policies, select groups, including Muslims, Arab immigrants, Arab-Americans, and anti-war protesters, have served as test subjects for a potential Homeland Security juggernaut that, if not stopped, will only expand.

-- more --
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0129-30.htm
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Dez Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:51 PM
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4. Well,, excuuuuse me!
Who peed in your wheaties this morning? Jesus!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:54 PM
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5. I've just spent nearly 24 hours without power
and just now online for a few minutes to try to catch up. And you want me to play games. Sorry if you don't like my peevishness, you already know I don't like your posting style, so I guess we're even.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:55 PM
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7. What Happened To Your Power, E ???
Storm related???

You warm, you OK???

:hi:
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Dez Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:00 PM
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9. I'm not playing games
I thought my intro was very descriptive, AND important.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:01 PM
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10. You had the Ice Storm huh?
I hope your power stays on now. There are counties all around me where they lost power for over a week two weeks ago. But it looks like your weather will warm up. I guess that is the advatage you have over northern Pa.
Keep warm, good to see you!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:57 PM
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8. the poster is absolutely right
Its as discourteous as an unwanted pop-up window. Add SOME value to the post, it will go a long way. Do some analysis, it will help you think about issues better. Point out areas of agreement or disagreement, it will help frame the issue for others. Otherwise, its just a useless post with a link that most people won't open. Trust me.
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DETERMINEDPROGRESIVE Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:54 PM
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6. That seems a bit harsh
"For those who are similarly pressed for time, here's a clue:"

I thank you though for being so pressed for time but still finding the time to open the link, read the article, post a rant, and post some snippets.

Good read though, and not much of a surprise. Big Brother is watching....
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:17 PM
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11. Agent Mike Here,,
Now we are keeping surveillance on you guys in the Name of National Security, if you behave and offer no resistance we'll have no problem. If any of you want to join project "Eagle Eyes" contact me here http://public.afosi.amc.af.mil/eagle/index.asp
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:46 PM
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12. If you don't know about Echelon Google it
it has been around since 2000/01. That's why I encrypt any e-mail that's remotely personal.

There have been attempts to prevent the sale of powerful encryptation software in the US. For a time, PGP and similar high-strength encryptation proggies, were classed as a munition in the US. I kid you not.

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