Let's make a list of things Dean hates

[Radical Activist]

Republians

Republican-light Democrats

The media

Help me out. What else does Dean hate?
So much anger. Let's hope he doesn't go to the dark side.

[NYCGirl]

1. And you call yourself "Radical Activist". NT

[CWebster]

2. Speaking of anger

Don't you think you are a little late for this party? :hi:

You agree with him, right?

[Sean Reynolds]

3. Without anger, the guy in your avatar would be an unknown.

Not a revolutionist.

[Radical Activist]

5. Anger can spur people on to action

But sooner or later you need to have something more positive to sustain a movement. Che had that, and he believed in something besides hating the Cuban dictator he overthrew. Have you seen my sig line quote from Che about compassion? I've never heard Dean say anything so hopeful and positive.

[Sean Reynolds]

9. Then you haven't been paying attention.

[ima_sinnic]

10. if you've never heard Dean say anything so "hopeful and positive"

you've obviously never bothered to listen to anything the doctor has said. but thanks for checking in with the clueless RW media spin--we always need to remind ourselves how duped the people really are, even our "own." :eyes:

[Radical Activist]

16. I notice you didn't give examples

from the man who spent most of the primary bashing other Democrats. I listened to Dean all the time. Often enough to see what wasn't beneath the surface of all the talk.

[mahina]

18. You don't know much about Howard Dean...If you haven't heard hope

you haven't been listening.
I think it's time for all Americans to have health care like the citizens of every other industrialized nation...even Costa Rican's have health care, and we should too.

I love Che and I love Howard Dean. I don't know anything about lots of things but don't go posting that I haven't heard about it...you having heard about it is not a rational criteria since you haven't been following what he has to say as proven by your statement.

If you do want to learn about his ideas I would start with democracyforamerica.com

good luck! Si se puede!

[Radical Activist]

21. Except that

his health care plan was not universal and didn't cover all Americans. Are you sure I'm the one who hasn't been paying attention?

[CWebster]

32. Funny,

because the last thing Dean said when asked why he should be chair, was "I love this stuff".

And that was what always struck me about Dean - He always has that big smile like he really enjoys participating in it all. Like a fish in water, he is in his element. It is what fuels him.

[Larkspur]

49. You want something more positive from Dean, read his Jan. 11, 2005 speech

when he announces his formal entry into the DNC Chair race January 11, 2005 http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/005781.html

As St. Augustine said, "Hope has two beautiful daughters, anger and courage. Anger at the way things are and the courage to change them." Dean's hope certainly fits this activist definition.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Dark side of what?

[Radical Activist]

8. You know, the force

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Yoda

[ima_sinnic]

14. "Outrages lead to anger. Anger leads to action" -- sinnic (n/t)

[Sean Reynolds]

15. You're contradicting yourself here.....

First you state anger is bad. Then in a reply to my post you state anger is good if it leads somewhere. Then again you say anger is bad. Make up your mind.

If anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering, how can any anger be good?

Yet you tried to justify the revolution as 'good' anger, did you not?

Seems to me, you're confused. :-/

[Radical Activist]

27. If you actually want to make an honest attempt

to understand what I was writing, beyond just look for something you can attack, then I'll restate what I typed. I said anger can spur people to action, but it cannot sustain a movement. I'm pretty consistent about that. Dean should have dropped the anger act a while ago. Over time it becomes destructive if you don't have something deeper to replace it.

[Sean Reynolds]

31. But then you quote Yoda..........

I haven't seen any of the Star Wars movies in a long time, however if I remember Yoda the character opposed anger. Wasn't Luke angry and wanted to act out on that anger? Wouldn't it be logical to assume that Yoda would be against any form of anger, even if it empowered?

Yea, you're still confused. But it's cool, I understand! ;)

[Radical Activist]

33. "This isn't an argument.

It's just contradiction!" Why do I get the feeling you would find a way to contradict any argument if it involved something slightly negative about Dean? My statements were pretty clear and straightforward.

[Sean Reynolds]

44. It's not about Dean, it's about your refusal to accept your contradiction.

You can't state anger is bad, then good, then bad again. It just doesn't work that way. Your quote implies that all anger leads to suffering, but you clearly stated in one post that anger could be a good thing. So which is it?

How do you know Dean's anger isn't empowering people? You don't have to like Dean to understand that his anger set off a mini-revolution within the Democratic Party during the 2004 Primaries.

Dean has been credited with being the first candidate of the 2004 Primaries to actually use grass-roots activism to get his message out. Remember, early on he was a little known governor from Vermont with a small, but loyal following. It wasn't until those small groups began tipping people off about about Dean's that his message grew. Soon that small group turned into a large collection of both independents, Democrats, and Republicans.

Dean was also the first candidate to use the blog for his campaign. That was something adopted by other candidates after they realized how beneficial it was to the Dean campaign.

Then there was internet fundraising. While it had been done in the past, never before had a candidate used it to his benefit like Dean had. In fact, Dean had the most money coming in from the grass-roots level thanks to the internet fundraising.

Of course there was the whole Iraq issue. Before Dean spoke up you had Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt going around beefing up the war and its resolution.

Dean may not be a guy you like, and that's totally fine. However his anger sparked something, it empowered.

Ultimately he may have lost, however what he did in 2004 has many implications in today's world. He's empowered MANY people, not just at the national level but at the local level as well.

And as we all know, politics starts in your local communities. That to me, is a good anger.

I'm sorry you don't agree.

[Old and In the Way]

6. Let's make a list of reasons why RA would make this post.

I'll start: flamebait.

[Radical Activist]

12. Actually I thought it could get really funny

I guess the cult of personality can't take a joke.

[NYCGirl]

17. Your track record on light-hearted ribbing is not very good.

Next time, perhaps you should use a smilie.

[RandomKoolzip]

7. Wow. That sounds exactly like something a republican would say.

[Mitt Chovick]

11. Astrotruf

Or atleast he should hate it. It's awful.

[Radical Activist]

30. You think so?

I've never played on astroturf. But those astroturf arguments can get pretty ugly, so I don't want to get into that. :)

[Mitt Chovick]

36. They say the new field turf is OK

But that old astroturf just causes too many injuries. It's like running on concrete. Which is what is underneath the astroturf.

[DireStrike]

13. Your own post doesn't follow your thinking

Why post something negative about dean instead of something hopeful and positive about whoever you support?

[Radical Activist]

19. Because this could be a fun post if

some people weren't so defensive and angry all the time.

[DireStrike]

20. I usually don't start off "fun posts" by tipping over people's sacred cows

nt.

[ima_sinnic]

24. gee, it's real "fun" to make half-informed inflammatory statements

on a message board. get a life!

[mzmolly]

22. Deans Mother is a Republican, I don't think he "hates" anyone.

Do you LOVE the three things you noted above?

I came back a day early from my posting strike to respond to this ridiculousness. UGH!

[autorank]

23. The absence of anger in times like this is a sign of brain malfunction.

Too bad. Dem lites etc. now have their panties in a ruffle. OMG! Gov. Dean has passion. I think that it is self evident that * is totally out of control. He steals elections, he gets people killed and maimed, and he invades countries for the flimsiest of reasons.

I hate violence, I hate public criminals, I hate the betrayal of this country.

Any problems with that out there?

[DireStrike]

28. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention! EOM

[RetroLounge]

25. Then Lets make a list of all the Serial Dean Bashers

Get a new schtick, this is old...

Nice Che Avatar. Very Radical. Whoo hoo...

:eyes:


RL

[mzmolly]

26. Yes, and that avatar is oh so convincing isn't it!

:eyes:

[Radical Activist]

Thank you

I like it.

[Radical Activist]

29. I notice that my serious posts about Fowler

got almost no response. I posted the reasons why I felt Fowler actually better met the criteria Dean and most of his supporters list for a good DNC Chair. That Fowler actually better fits that description and is better qualified to do the things Dean will supposedly do. Almost no one responded to that. I guess bickering and "four legs good, two legs bad" chanting is easier than thinking of a logical statement.

[DireStrike]

34. Yes, it is unfortunately.

Perhaps that shows that anger can sustain a movement?

[Radical Activist]

43. Do you really think

this is healthy?

[DireStrike]

45. Nope. I don't see much of a choice though.

[shawcomm]

37. So this is more about you wanting attention...

You didn't get any responses, so you decided to make a 'controversial post' to have people pay attention to you?

How old are you?

[Radical Activist]

39. I was hoping for some responses

Maybe I should have posted this in the lounge.
Another way to respond to this post might have been to list something like, Asparagus. I guess I should have expected the anger in response.

[DireStrike]

41. It's disingenuous to say that you didn't expect people to be angered.

Did you really not? I find that hard to believe.

[Radical Activist]

47. Sure

I was making a point through humor, and anytime anyone says negative things about Dean you can be sure to get a lot of angry posts in response. I thought at least a few people might make it more interesting though.

[DireStrike]

48. Try using some smilies next time

maybe that'll help.

[CWebster]

46. He impressed me, but so does Dean

I think I posted somewhere that I thought he was sharp and edgey.

Gees, feel better?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Use The Godfather As Your Model...

Sonny Corleone was a hot head and railed at everything...


The calm and collect Michael Corleone served his revenge cold and built an empire...

[Larkspur]

50. But it was an empire built on the sufferings and exploitation of others

I don't want Dean building empires. I want him resusitating our democracy and it will require anger, courage, and hope to fight the Ruthless Right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. All I Am Saying Is Revenge Is A Dish Best Served Cold..

We all loathe the Republicans...


We need to come up with an effective stragey to stop them not give them talking points....

[TheWebHead]

38. he must hate tactful advisors

Because the "hate" comment was part of his prepared speech all the DNC Chair hopefuls gave to start the event before Q&A, which suggests he consciously put it in his opening statement and wasn't something he blurted out without considering the ramifications.

[Radical Activist]

40. Do you think he was pandering to his audience

and didn't expect it to be reported on? That's what I would assume.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. It's Stupid...

Even if you hate them it's stupid to say so...


We CAN'T WIN without getting some of them to come over to our side..

[Moderator]

52. I'm locking this thread

Reason:

flamebait